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	~~==Disclaimer==~~
	Little genuine note, this is not, nor will it ever be, the full version of the text, the full text contains graphic descriptions of violence that I feel are unsuitable here, an example of what these sections will look like is below.

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	~~[Removed]~~

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	~~==Explanatory notes==~~
	"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.

	The original text is preserved rather well, but due to its age, it's rather unintelligible to modern speakers, the version presented here is an English translation, for the modern Jugsnorsk, see [[Appeal to the God-man (Jugsnorsk)]]

	~~The text will be split by section, with the English names being literal translations, and formatted as Jugsnorsk followed by an indented English translation. The sections are as follows:~~
	~~:"Before" - An intro, addressing the concerns and grievances of the Jugsnorsk.~~
	~~:"Our lives" - Discusses the conditions they face in Siberia.~~
	~~:"Our minds" - Discusses the beliefs of the Jugsnorsk, and how their "un-Christian-ness" shouldn't make them worthy of obliteration.~~
	~~:"Our ways" - Discusses their practices, directly objecting to the barbaric image the church presents of them.~~
	:"'''You'''" - Directly addresses the church and lays plain all the wrongs they've pursued against the Jugsnorsk, one of the subsections, titled "Your insults", lays out every false word spoken by the church about them and gives an accusation against the church in turn, it's written as poetry in Fornyrðislag meter. Every second person pronoun that refers to the church in this section has been heavily bolded and capitalized, this has always been reproduced in every copy made.

	~~The "'''Your''' insults" section is formatted differently from the rest, as to stay faithful to the text. It will look like this:~~

	~~You burn men and~~
	~~:You forget your wives~~
	~~'''You''' hate foreigners and~~
	~~:'''You''' misguide the poor.~~

	~~In each of these, the first pair of lines is the accusation by the church, and the second is an accusation against it.~~

	~~==Before==~~
	It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war, God-man.

	Let this "before" ("intro") be our wrath in words, for if you continue what you try, our anger will no longer be with quill. Our pain will no longer be alone. As you read this, God-man, I hope you understand how you make us suffer, and realize your actions make you far more worthy of Hell than us for our ways.

	~~Let it be that you know us from here out, and let it be that your God blots out your very existence if you dare to ignore us.~~

	~~We burn our dead so that nothing can steal from their corpse, and to honor their courage even in death, but you twist that and make it seem like we burn the living, when it was '''You''' who did that.~~

	We leave our women alone for we trust them, we go off and return with what is needed, while they stay and provide what is needed, you forget women make life possible too. Yet you twist this so it sounds like we abandon them.

	~~You say we came to these mountains to strip them of their native peoples, yet here you are, doing what you blame us for.~~

	~~You say we thieve and raid, yet how are you any better when you lie to a peasants face, abuse his illiteracy, and thieve every last penny from him?~~

	You claim truth by word of God, yet every sound that leaves your mouth weaves a lie so elaborate not even your God can avoid being disgusted by you. Every letter made by your hand inscribes new falsehoods. Every thought in your mind, new ways to enrichen yourselves.

	~~==Our lives==~~
	~~==Our minds==~~
	~~==Our ways==~~
	~~=='''You'''==~~
	~~==='''Your''' insults===~~
	~~You burn men and~~
	~~:You forget your wives~~
	~~'''You''' hate foreigners and~~
	~~:'''You''' misguide the poor.~~

	~~===After===~~
	~~(last line)</br>~~
	In the end, peace is a reward to those who chose it in life, and '''you''' should know best that even the dead can be ever-scorned. I trust '''your''' God will guide '''you''' towards the right choice, for the best of us both.

Melinoë at 03:26, 5 March 2026

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			==Disclaimer==
			Little genuine note, this is not, nor will it ever be, the full version of the text, the full text contains graphic descriptions of violence that I feel are unsuitable here, an example of what these sections will look like is below.

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			[Removed]

			-

			==Explanatory notes==
	"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.		"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.

Melinoë at 00:48, 5 March 2026

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	"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.		"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.

	The original text is preserved rather well, but due to its age, it's rather unintelligible to modern speakers, so the version presented here is ~~a rendition into~~ modern [[~~Húsnorsk\|~~Jugsnorsk]] ~~and an English translation.~~		The original text is preserved rather well, but due to its age, it's rather unintelligible to modern speakers, the version presented here is an English translation, for the modern Jugsnorsk, see [[Appeal to the God-man (Jugsnorsk)]]

	The text will be split by section, with the English names being literal translations, and formatted as Jugsnorsk followed by an indented English translation. The sections are as follows:		The text will be split by section, with the English names being literal translations, and formatted as Jugsnorsk followed by an indented English translation. The sections are as follows:
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	The "'''Your''' insults" section is formatted differently from the rest, as to stay faithful to the text. It will look like this:		The "'''Your''' insults" section is formatted differently from the rest, as to stay faithful to the text. It will look like this:

	~~{{col-begin}}~~
	~~{{col-break}}~~
	~~Þú tennir vera ok~~
	~~:Þú glǿma yða víf~~
	~~'''Þú''' havnar utmanni ok~~
	~~:'''Þú''' missegir fáruðu.~~
	~~{{col-break}}~~
	You burn men and		You burn men and
	:You forget your wives		:You forget your wives
	'''You''' hate foreigners and		'''You''' hate foreigners and
	:'''You''' misguide the poor.		:'''You''' misguide the poor.
	~~{{col-end}}~~

	In each of these, the first pair of lines is the accusation by the church, and the second is an accusation against it.		In each of these, the first pair of lines is the accusation by the church, and the second is an accusation against it.

	==Before==		==Before==
	:It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war, God-man.		It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war, God-man.

	:Let this "before" ("intro") be our wrath in words, for if you continue what you try, our anger will no longer be with quill. Our pain will no longer be alone. As you read this, God-man, I hope you understand how you make us suffer, and realize your actions make you far more worthy of Hell than us for our ways.		Let this "before" ("intro") be our wrath in words, for if you continue what you try, our anger will no longer be with quill. Our pain will no longer be alone. As you read this, God-man, I hope you understand how you make us suffer, and realize your actions make you far more worthy of Hell than us for our ways.

	:Let it be that you know us from here out, and let it be that your God blots out your very existence if you dare to ignore us.		Let it be that you know us from here out, and let it be that your God blots out your very existence if you dare to ignore us.

	:We burn our dead so that nothing can steal from their corpse, and to honor their courage even in death, but you twist that and make it seem like we burn the living, when it was '''You''' who did that.		We burn our dead so that nothing can steal from their corpse, and to honor their courage even in death, but you twist that and make it seem like we burn the living, when it was '''You''' who did that.

	:We leave our women alone for we trust them, we go off and return with what is needed, while they stay and provide what is needed, you forget women make life possible too. Yet you twist this so it sounds like we abandon them.		We leave our women alone for we trust them, we go off and return with what is needed, while they stay and provide what is needed, you forget women make life possible too. Yet you twist this so it sounds like we abandon them.

	:You say we came to these mountains to strip them of their native peoples, yet here you are, doing what you blame us for.		You say we came to these mountains to strip them of their native peoples, yet here you are, doing what you blame us for.

	:You say we thieve and raid, yet how are you any better when you lie to a peasants face, abuse his illiteracy, and thieve every last penny from him?		You say we thieve and raid, yet how are you any better when you lie to a peasants face, abuse his illiteracy, and thieve every last penny from him?

	:You claim truth by word of God, yet every sound that leaves your mouth weaves a lie so elaborate not even your God can avoid being disgusted by you. Every letter made by your hand inscribes new falsehoods. Every thought in your mind, new ways to enrichen yourselves.		You claim truth by word of God, yet every sound that leaves your mouth weaves a lie so elaborate not even your God can avoid being disgusted by you. Every letter made by your hand inscribes new falsehoods. Every thought in your mind, new ways to enrichen yourselves.

	==Our lives==		==Our lives==
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	=='''You'''==		=='''You'''==
	==='''Your''' insults===		==='''Your''' insults===
	~~{{col-begin}}~~
	~~{{col-break}}~~
	~~þú tenrir vera ok~~
	~~:þú glǿma yða víf~~
	~~'''Þú''' havnar utmanni ok~~
	~~:'''Þú''' missegir fáruðu.~~
	~~{{col-break}}~~
	You burn men and		You burn men and
	:You forget your wives		:You forget your wives
	'''You''' hate foreigners and		'''You''' hate foreigners and
	:'''You''' misguide the poor.		:'''You''' misguide the poor.
	~~{{col-end}}~~

	===After===		===After===
	(last line)</br>		(last line)</br>
	í ennanum er priða lónina þém, es kós þat í lívi, ok '''þú''' skót kunna bath, at dóðrin sjóv kná vera ódhavnaða. líta, at '''þér''' Guð er segir '''þik''' góðkjorinu, bethtum os.		In the end, peace is a reward to those who chose it in life, and '''you''' should know best that even the dead can be ever-scorned. I trust '''your''' God will guide '''you''' towards the right choice, for the best of us both.
	:In the end, peace is a reward to those who chose it in life, and '''you''' should know best that even the dead can be ever-scorned. I trust '''your''' God will guide '''you''' towards the right choice, for the best of us both.

Melinoë: /* Before */

2026-03-05T00:38:48Z

Before

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	:It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war, God-man.		:It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war, God-man.

	Let this "before" ("intro") be our wrath in words, for if you continue what you try, our anger will no longer be with quill. Our pain will no longer be alone. As you read this, God-man, I hope you understand how you make us suffer, and realize your actions make you far more worthy of Hell than us for our ways.		:Let this "before" ("intro") be our wrath in words, for if you continue what you try, our anger will no longer be with quill. Our pain will no longer be alone. As you read this, God-man, I hope you understand how you make us suffer, and realize your actions make you far more worthy of Hell than us for our ways.

	Let it be that you know us from here out, and let it be that your God blots out your very existence if you dare to ignore us.		:Let it be that you know us from here out, and let it be that your God blots out your very existence if you dare to ignore us.

	We burn our dead so that nothing can steal from their corpse, and to honor their courage even in death, but you twist that and make it seem like we burn the living, when it was '''You''' who did that.		:We burn our dead so that nothing can steal from their corpse, and to honor their courage even in death, but you twist that and make it seem like we burn the living, when it was '''You''' who did that.

	We leave our women alone for we trust them, we go off and return with what is needed, while they stay and provide what is needed, you forget women make life possible too. Yet you twist this so it sounds like we abandon them.		:We leave our women alone for we trust them, we go off and return with what is needed, while they stay and provide what is needed, you forget women make life possible too. Yet you twist this so it sounds like we abandon them.

	You say we came to these mountains to strip them of their native peoples, yet here you are, doing what you blame us for.		:You say we came to these mountains to strip them of their native peoples, yet here you are, doing what you blame us for.

	You say we thieve and raid, yet how are you any better when you lie to a peasants face, abuse his illiteracy, and thieve every last penny from him?		:You say we thieve and raid, yet how are you any better when you lie to a peasants face, abuse his illiteracy, and thieve every last penny from him?

	You claim truth by word of God, yet every sound that leaves your mouth weaves a lie so elaborate not even your God can avoid being disgusted by you. Every letter made by your hand inscribes new falsehoods. Every thought in your mind, new ways to enrichen yourselves.		:You claim truth by word of God, yet every sound that leaves your mouth weaves a lie so elaborate not even your God can avoid being disgusted by you. Every letter made by your hand inscribes new falsehoods. Every thought in your mind, new ways to enrichen yourselves.

	==Our lives==		==Our lives==

Melinoë: /* Before */

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 ==Before==
-:It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war against you. Seek to destroy our ways and you will fall like all the others who tried.
+:It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war, God-man.
 ==Our lives==

Melinoë at 18:59, 3 March 2026

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	"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.		"Appeal to the God-man" is a 19th century appeal to the church leaders overseeing the attempts to "civilize" the Siberian pagans. It is considered an important insight into the lives of the early Jugsnorsk (Called the "Jugranni" in this document), being one of the very few documents that goes in depth into the conditions, beliefs, and practices.

	The original text is preserved rather well, but due to its age, it's rather unintelligible to modern speakers, so the version presented here is a rendition into modern Jugsnorsk and an English translation.		The original text is preserved rather well, but due to its age, it's rather unintelligible to modern speakers, so the version presented here is a rendition into modern [[Húsnorsk\|Jugsnorsk]] and an English translation.

	The text will be split by section, with the English names being literal translations, and formatted as Jugsnorsk followed by an indented English translation. The sections are as follows:		The text will be split by section, with the English names being literal translations, and formatted as Jugsnorsk followed by an indented English translation. The sections are as follows:

Melinoë: /* Before */

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Before

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	==Before==		==Before==
			:It would seem to us, that even after all you've taken from us, you're still not satisfied with our suffering, and still require more out of us. When will it be enough? You have taken our homes, our land, our children, even our pride, will you next try to take our culture? For that we will seek war against you. Seek to destroy our ways and you will fall like all the others who tried.

	==Our lives==		==Our lives==
	==Our minds==		==Our minds==

Melinoë: /* Your insults */

2026-03-03T18:25:05Z

Your insults

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	{{col-break}}		{{col-break}}
	þú ~~tennir~~ vera ok		þú tenrir vera ok
	:þú glǿma yða víf		:þú glǿma yða víf
	'''Þú''' havnar utmanni ok		'''Þú''' havnar utmanni ok

Melinoë: /* Your insults */

2026-03-03T18:24:30Z

Your insults

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	{{col-break}}		{{col-break}}
	Þú tennir vera ok		þú tennir vera ok
	:Þú glǿma yða víf		:þú glǿma yða víf
	'''Þú''' havnar utmanni ok		'''Þú''' havnar utmanni ok
	:'''Þú''' missegir fáruðu.		:'''Þú''' missegir fáruðu.

Melinoë: /* You */

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You

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	:'''You''' misguide the poor.		:'''You''' misguide the poor.
	{{col-end}}		{{col-end}}

			===After===
			(last line)</br>
			í ennanum er priða lónina þém, es kós þat í lívi, ok '''þú''' skót kunna bath, at dóðrin sjóv kná vera ódhavnaða. líta, at '''þér''' Guð er segir '''þik''' góðkjorinu, bethtum os.
			:In the end, peace is a reward to those who chose it in life, and '''you''' should know best that even the dead can be ever-scorned. I trust '''your''' God will guide '''you''' towards the right choice, for the best of us both.