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	'''Proto-Yeldhic''', often shortened to '''PY''', is a reconstructed proto-language of the [[Yeldhic languages\|Yeldhic language family]]. It is the ultimate root of 86% of Talkochian languages, and is the equivalent of [[w:Proto-Indo-European\|Proto-Indo-European]] in real life.		'''Proto-Yeldhic''', often shortened to '''PY''', is a reconstructed proto-language of the [[Yeldhic languages\|Yeldhic language family]]. It is the ultimate root of 86% of Talkochian languages, and is the equivalent of [[w:Proto-Indo-European\|Proto-Indo-European]] in real life.

	The proto-language originates in the work of Arnic linguist ~~Môhwod ða-Téfir~~, who first formulated the Yeldha Language Theory, which proposed that many very different languages in Talkoch actually descended from one singular language family, which he called the Yeldhic language family after [[Ancient Yeldha]], which he initially believed was the original source of the Yeldhic languages.		The proto-language originates in the work of Arnic linguist Móchagh da Tébhir, who first formulated the Yeldha Language Theory, which proposed that many very different languages in Talkoch actually descended from one singular language family, which he called the Yeldhic language family after [[Ancient Yeldha]], which he initially believed was the original source of the Yeldhic languages.

	Although the theory was initially ridiculed, fellow Tiragii linguist and calligrapher ~~Dól-Pŷçkevç~~ began to find a lot of evidence supporting ~~Téfir~~'s theory. Eventually, ~~Téfir~~ was on his deathbed, and he doubled down on his theory by collaborating with ~~Pŷçkevç~~ as well as other prominent linguists to form the first version of Proto-Yeldhic. Shortly after ~~Téfir~~'s death, the Késkéanya Fûhraritat, the linguistic authority of his home country of Arnah, finally accepted the theory as "very probable".		Although the theory was initially ridiculed, fellow Tiragii linguist and calligrapher Dhóll mBíosthac began to find a lot of evidence supporting Tébhir's theory. Eventually, Tébhir was on his deathbed, and he doubled down on his theory by collaborating with Bíosthac as well as other prominent linguists to form the first version of Proto-Yeldhic. Shortly after Tébhir's death, the Késkéanya Fûhraritat, the linguistic authority of his home country of Arnah, finally accepted the theory as "very probable".

	The main evidence towards the Proto-Yeldhic hypothesis is mostly described in ~~Téfir~~'s initial work on the subject, wriṱen in Moshurian and published in Taráhus due to political instability in his home country, the ''Tezyém Yéleduhir''. In short, ~~Téfir~~ observed that several morphological, phonemic and phonetic similarities could be found within his proposed Yeldhic family of languages.		The main evidence towards the Proto-Yeldhic hypothesis is mostly described in Tébhir's initial work on the subject, wriṱen in Moshurian and published in Taráhus due to political instability in his home country, the ''Tezyém Yéleduhir''. In short, Tébhir observed that several morphological, phonemic and phonetic similarities could be found within his proposed Yeldhic family of languages.
	==Variations==		==Variations==
	The idea of a universal Yeldhic language was floated around for centuries, with the Ildan cosmopolitans, led by Iptor, first theorising a sort of "umbrella language"(''vloskās danibāsku'') in 1900 BH, so as to unite the many languages of Ilda and Maranösia.		The idea of a universal Yeldhic language was floated around for centuries, with the Ildan cosmopolitans, led by Iptor, first theorising a sort of "umbrella language"(''vloskās danibāsku'') in 1900 BH, so as to unite the many languages of Ilda and Maranösia.

	As such, though ~~Téfir~~'s work is the most cited and the most detailed and probable, there are many variations of what one could consider an attempted "Proto-Yeldhic" language, both before and after ~~Téfir~~.		As such, though Tébhir's work is the most cited and the most detailed and probable, there are many variations of what one could consider an attempted "Proto-Yeldhic" language, both before and after Tébhir.
	===Zeror's variation===		===Zeror's variation===
	While in the ''Ildasia'' secret society, Zeror came upon Iptor's work on the umbrella language, known as the ''Glossology''([[Ilda]]: ''vloskātia''). Intrigued by the cosmopolitan's research, after further researching other languages, he wrote his own ''Glossology'' in 191 UH, further developing Iptor's original idea. However, Zeror, though talented, was also quite biased, and thus his ''Glossology'' was heavily inspired by [[Ilda]], without really taking into account other languages, save for the reconstructed word here and there.		While in the ''Ildasia'' secret society, Zeror came upon Iptor's work on the umbrella language, known as the ''Glossology''([[Ilda]]: ''vloskātia''). Intrigued by the cosmopolitan's research, after further researching other languages, he wrote his own ''Glossology'' in 191 UH, further developing Iptor's original idea. However, Zeror, though talented, was also quite biased, and thus his ''Glossology'' was heavily inspired by [[Ilda]], without really taking into account other languages, save for the reconstructed word here and there.
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	However, though his work was flawed, it did set the precedent for the development of Proto-languages in Radael. For example, conventions such as marking reconstructed words with an asterisk(*) originates in Zeror's ''Glossology'', as well as even the entire concept of [[w:Comparative reconstruction\|comparative reconstruction]] to find the original root of a word.		However, though his work was flawed, it did set the precedent for the development of Proto-languages in Radael. For example, conventions such as marking reconstructed words with an asterisk(*) originates in Zeror's ''Glossology'', as well as even the entire concept of [[w:Comparative reconstruction\|comparative reconstruction]] to find the original root of a word.

	For example, the word ''vudas'', meaning "sheep", was reconstructed from Ilda ''usda'' and Vulgar Maranz ''vodvadas''. The ~~Téfir~~ equivalent of the word is ''ʕʷejtu''. Though seemingly a radically different word, some aspects that Zeror noticed were factored in, such as a fricative at the beginning and a plosive before the final vowel.		For example, the word ''vudas'', meaning "sheep", was reconstructed from Ilda ''usda'' and Vulgar Maranz ''vodvadas''. The Tébhir equivalent of the word is ''ʕʷejtu''. Though seemingly a radically different word, some aspects that Zeror noticed were factored in, such as a fricative at the beginning and a plosive before the final vowel.
	====Udas li Tasanqās====		====Udas li Tasanqās====
	Here is the first sentence of [[Literature:Schleicher's fable\|Schleicher's fable]] in Zeror's Proto-Yeldhic:<br>		Here is the first sentence of [[Literature:Schleicher's fable\|Schleicher's fable]] in Zeror's Proto-Yeldhic:<br>
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	===Prosody===		===Prosody===
	====Stress====		====Stress====
	There is no generally agreed upon stress pattern for Proto-Yeldhic, as stress patterns are so varied among PY descendants that scholars generally agree that a single pattern can not be accurately attested from such a wide data set. ~~Téfir~~ himself did not even bother mentioning stress in the ''Tezyém Yéleduhir'', though this may have been because his native language, [[Arnic]], has no concept of lexical stress. However, the ''Yéleduhir'' was written in Moshurian, a language with a strict paroxytonic stress pattern, rendering this theory amusing but unlikely.		There is no generally agreed upon stress pattern for Proto-Yeldhic, as stress patterns are so varied among PY descendants that scholars generally agree that a single pattern can not be accurately attested from such a wide data set. Tébhir himself did not even bother mentioning stress in the ''Tezyém Yéleduhir'', though this may have been because his native language, [[Arnic]], has no concept of lexical stress. However, the ''Yéleduhir'' was written in Moshurian, a language with a strict paroxytonic stress pattern, rendering this theory amusing but unlikely.

	===Phonotactics===		===Phonotactics===
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	! colspan=2 \| Proto-Yeldhic !! rowspan=2 \| Moshurian !! rowspan=2 \| English		! colspan=2 \| Proto-Yeldhic !! rowspan=2 \| Moshurian !! rowspan=2 \| English
	\|-		\|-
	! Original ~~Téfir~~ !! Modern		! Original Tébhir !! Modern
	\|-		\|-
	\| ''ik'' \|\| ''ik'' \|\| ''ik'' \|\| one		\| ''ik'' \|\| ''ik'' \|\| ''ik'' \|\| one

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	** Proto-Ulmic ''*mce(n)''		** Proto-Ulmic ''*mce(n)''
	*** Ormå ''nncẽ''		*** Ormå ''nncẽ''
	* PY ''*~~ɣōsan~~''		* PY ''*hōsan''
	** Paleoyeldhic ''*hosan''		** Paleoyeldhic ''*hosan''
	*** Moshurian ''[[Contionary:oźan\|oźan]]''		*** Moshurian ''[[Contionary:oźan\|oźan]]''

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	! rowspan=2 \| Fricative		! rowspan=2 \| Fricative
	! pulmonic		! pulmonic
	\| \|\| ð \|\| s z \|\| š ž \|\| x \|\| ~~rowspan=2 \| ç~~ \|\| h		\| \|\| ð \|\| s z \|\| š ž \|\| x \|\| \|\| *h
	\|-		\|-
	! palatalised		! palatalised
	\| \|\| \|\| ś ź \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| \|\| \|\| ś ź \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|
	\|-		\|-
	! colspan=2 \| (Lateral)<br>Approximant		! colspan=2 \| (Lateral)<br>Approximant

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	** Paleoyeldhic ''*meksi''		** Paleoyeldhic ''*meksi''
	*** Moshurian [[Contionary:mesk\|''mesk'']]		*** Moshurian [[Contionary:mesk\|''mesk'']]
	** Etzeá ''~~meág~~''		** Etzeá ''mêtye''
	** Proto-Ulmic ''*mce(n)''		** Proto-Ulmic ''*mce(n)''
	*** Ormå ''nncẽ''		*** Ormå ''nncẽ''
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	** Paleoyeldhic ''*hosan''		** Paleoyeldhic ''*hosan''
	*** Moshurian ''[[Contionary:oźan\|oźan]]''		*** Moshurian ''[[Contionary:oźan\|oźan]]''
	** Etzeá ''~~xoisen~~''		** Etzeá ''hôzan''
	** Proto-Ulmic ''*fsan''		** Proto-Ulmic ''*fsan''
	*** Ormå ''fsän''		*** Ormå ''fsän''

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	====Long vowels====		====Long vowels====
	Long vowels in PY are not very common among most branches of the Yeldhic language family, with the exception of the Gadaïc branch, which preserved long vowels in certain languages, like [[Psér]].		Long vowels in PY are not very common among most branches of the Yeldhic language family, with the exception of the Gadaïc branch, which preserved long vowels in certain languages, like [[Psér]], and [[Etzeá]], the closest living relative to PY.
	{\| class=wikitable style="text-align: center;"		{\| class=wikitable style="text-align: center;"
	! !! Front !! Central !! Back		! !! Front !! Central !! Back
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	\| \|\| *ā \|\|		\| \|\| *ā \|\|
	\|}		\|}
	In other Yeldhic branches, long vowels were either shortened(as in the Paleoyeldhic languages~~), dipthonged(as in [[Etzeá]]~~) or omitted entirely(as in the Ulmic languages~~, in particular [[Ormå]]~~). Some examples are:		In other Yeldhic branches, long vowels were either shortened(as in the Paleoyeldhic languages) or omitted entirely(as in the Ulmic languages). Some examples are:
	* PY ''*mēce'' "watershed"		* PY ''*mēce'' "watershed"
	** Paleoyeldhic ''*meksi''		** Paleoyeldhic ''*meksi''

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	However, there is still some evidence for the existence of the palatalised consonants. For example:		However, there is still some evidence for the existence of the palatalised consonants. For example:
	* The palatalised consonants were preserved in Etzeá, though *ź split into two consonants: ''j'' [zʲ] and ''zz'' [ʒ].		* The palatalised consonants were preserved in Etzeá, though *ź split into two consonants: ''j'' [ʒ] and ''zz'' [zʲ].
	* In [[Maranz]], the consonant ''gh'' [j̥] seem to have been derived from Proto-Yeldhic ś. This can be especially seen in the word for "four", ''i'''gh'''in'', which is derived from PY ''wi'''ś'''en''.		* In [[Maranz]], the consonant ''gh'' [j̥] seem to have been derived from Proto-Yeldhic ś. This can be especially seen in the word for "four", ''i'''gh'''in'', which is derived from PY ''wi'''ś'''en''.

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	! Alveolar !! Post-alveolar !! Velar !! Palatal		! Alveolar !! Post-alveolar !! Velar !! Palatal
	\|-		\|-
	! ~~rowspan~~=2 \| Plosive		! colspan=2 \| Plosive
	~~! pulmonic~~		\| p b \|\| \|\| t d \|\| \|\| k g \|\| c \|\| \|\| rowspan=5 \| ʕ, *ʕʷ
	\| p b \|\| \|\| t d \|\| \|\| k g \|\| c \|\| \|\| rowspan=6 \| ʕ, *ʕʷ
	\|-
	~~! aspirated~~
	~~\| pʰ bʰ \|\| \|\| tʰ dʰ \|\| \|\| kʰ gʰ \|\| \|\|~~
	\|-		\|-
	! colspan=2 \| Nasal		! colspan=2 \| Nasal

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	\| ''hihonâ''<ref>In the original ''Tezyém Yéleduhir'', ⟨â⟩ represented a front open vowel, [a]. Most Yeldhists today dispute the existence of the front open vowel in PY, instead arguing for the existence of a more centralised realisation, [ä] in IPA.</ref> \|\| ''wiśen'' \|\| ''igoyà'' \|\| four		\| ''hihonâ''<ref>In the original ''Tezyém Yéleduhir'', ⟨â⟩ represented a front open vowel, [a]. Most Yeldhists today dispute the existence of the front open vowel in PY, instead arguing for the existence of a more centralised realisation, [ä] in IPA.</ref> \|\| ''wiśen'' \|\| ''igoyà'' \|\| four
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	\| ''tikumam'' \|\| ''~~igʰoīm~~'' \|\| ''tikoyam'' \|\| five		\| ''tikumam'' \|\| ''igoīm'' \|\| ''tikoyam'' \|\| five
	\|}		\|}