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{{Infobox language
'''Roshterian''' (from rāSTra) is an Indian language isolate of the Lõis timeline.
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|creator = [[User:IlL|IlL]]
|setting = [[Verse:Tricin]]
|name = {{PAGENAME}}
|nativename = ''oṟbiroxṯer''
|pronunciation=  /ɔɻbɪɾɔʂˈʈɛɾ/
|region = Bjeheond
|speakers = 5.1 million (about as much as Finnish)
|date = fT 11E0<sub>dd</sub>
|familycolor=PfK
|fam1= [[Quame languages|Quame]]
|fam2= [[Talmic languages|Talmic]]
|iso3=qrh
|notice=IPA
|nation=Roshteria
|script=Talmic script
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'''Roshterian''' /rɒʃˈtɛriən/ (native name: ''oṟbiroxṯer'' /ɔɻbɪɾɔʂˈʈɛɾ/ 'The Roshterian language') is a [[Talmic languages|Talmic language]] inspired by P-Celtic (particularly Welsh). It is intended to be a polysynthetic language with a pseudo-European aesthetic. Roshterian is an official language of Roshteria (''Qaaroxṯer'') and is the native language of 5.1 million people, most of which live in Roshteria. Among Etalocians, it is famous for its grammar: it is a head-initial, polysynthetic language with a complex agglutinating verb morphology that uses polypersonal agreement, evidentials, applicative constructions and noun incorporation.
 
==History==
:''See also: [[Old Roshterian]]
<!--{{quote box
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|quote=The Roshterian tongue is not only unsurpassed in beauty, but is surely among the most bountiful of troves for the student of languages. No Talman can but marvel at this language's great depth and uncanny familiarity to him ... While its words and forms display some affinity to our own language [&zwnj;[[Skellan]]], they are even more akin to the ancient [[Thensarian]] language, indeed to such a degree that its Talmic provenance cannot be doubted ... Curiously, the Roshterian speech in particular is pronounced with consonants with strong tongue-curling ... it has a proclivity towards using lengthy words for single utterances where a succession of smaller words and prefixes combine in a quite volatile manner, reminding one of the language of [[Tigol]] texts ... I think it proper to further study this curious language, wherein is certain to lie solutions to great mysteries surrounding the common forebear of Talmic languages.
|source=Aloð Bolltind, from the preface of ''A bintylisłáh lly łidút a jawþ Roxderib'' (An introduction to the grammar of the Roshterian tongue)
}}-->
 
The ancestors of modern-day Roshterians are hypothesized to have been an autochthonous people who gradually adopted a Talmic superstrate language. Until relatively recent times little was known of the language to outsiders.
 
The first written example of a complete Roshterian sentence is found in a Windermere travel journal dating to ca. fT 830dd (in Windermere script):
 
:'''п›ƍէչıէ›ƍʎϙ˫է˫ɟ ϙ⸗ƪժ⸗ʎ⸗є ƍ⸗չ› ɟ˫ϙ:ϫ·է·є '''
:'''''oarbiroașterem taycașan habo metupărăn'''''
:''I would like to speak Roshterian; alas, I cannot.''
 
(In modern Roshterian orthography: ''Bys oṟbiroxṯerimytaicyn, boorimitupyryn.'' 'gladly-language-Roshterian-speak-1SG but-EVID.DIR-NEG-do-can-1SG')
 
This sentence was likely written by a non-native speaker of Roshterian, seeing by the fact that he/she omitted evidentials, which would be required in the second clause.
 
The significance of Roshterian for Talmic linguistics was first noted by the Skellan linguist Aloð Bolltind. He proposed that it reflected all four dorsal series of Proto-Talmic differently, unlike the (in Talma) hitherto known Thensaric languages:
 
*{{recon|''k, g''}} > Roshterian ''c, g''; Thensarian ''c, g''
*{{recon|''kʷ, gʷ''}} > Rosh. ''p, b''; Thn. ''c, g''
*{{recon|''q, ʁ''}} > Rosh. ''q, ḡ''; Thn. ''ȝ, ħ''
*{{recon|''qʷ, ʁʷ''}} > Rosh. ''x, ṟ''; Thn. ''c, g'' or ''-ȝ, -ħ''
 
==Todo==
Affix fusion rules -- just say the morphemes fast and see what happens
*''Tiixi'' = a female name
*''Ḻuba'' = A male name
*In prefixes, ni- > i- (important!)
*How do I get "holophrastic" words [words with the meaning of whole sentences]
*Applicative prefixes should be older than prepositions
*Disallow initial /s/
 
==Numbers==
==Numbers==
TODO: Combining forms, ordinals, distributives
TODO: Combining forms, ordinals, distributives
*1: ''peem, peemy-''
*1: ''peem, peemy-''
*2: ''ṯitu, ṯitu-''
*2: ''ṯitu, ṯitu-''
*3: ''naṟg, naṟ-''
*3: ''naaṟ, naṟ-''
*4: ''loob, loo-''
*4: ''loob, loo-''
*5: ''helit'', ''lit-''
*5: ''helit'', ''lit-''
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'''j z''' /j z/ are used in loanwords.
Palatals and aspirated stops are used in loanwords from Indic.


;Notes
;Notes
*The voiceless stops /p t̪ ʈ k q/ are normally aspirated as much as Japanese voiceless stops; however, they are unaspirated after fricatives.  
*The voiceless stops /p t̪ ʈ k q/ are unaspirated.
*/n̪ t̪ d̪ l̪/ are dental; /s̪/ is dentalized alveolar (transcribed /n t d s l/ for sake of convenience).
*/n̪ t̪ d̪ l̪/ are dental; /s̪/ is dentalized alveolar (transcribed /n t d s l/ for sake of convenience).
*[ŋ] and [ɴ] are allophones of /n̪/ before velar and uvular consonants, respectively.
*[ŋ] and [ɴ] are allophones of /n̪/ before velar and uvular consonants, respectively.
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**Some dialects always use [Cɭ] or [Cɻ] for /Cr/.
**Some dialects always use [Cɭ] or [Cɻ] for /Cr/.
*Not allowed initially: /mp nt ɳʈ ŋk ɴq mb nd ɳɖ ŋg ɴʁ ns ɳʂ lp lt ɭʈ lk ɭq lb ld ɭɖ lg ɭʁ rp rt ɻʈ rk rq rb rd ɻɖ rg rʁ rm rn ɻb ɻg ɻm ɻɳ sp st ʂʈ sk ʂq/ {{angbr|''mp nt ṉṯ nc nq mb nd ṉḏ ng nḡ ns ṉx lp lt ḻṯ lc ḻq lb ld ḻḏ lg ḻḡ rp rt ṟṯ rc rq rb rd ṟḏ rg rḡ rm rn ṟb ṟg ṟm ṟṉ sp st xṯ sc xq''}}
*Not allowed initially: /mp nt ɳʈ ŋk ɴq mb nd ɳɖ ŋg ɴʁ ns ɳʂ lp lt ɭʈ lk ɭq lb ld ɭɖ lg ɭʁ rp rt ɻʈ rk rq rb rd ɻɖ rg rʁ rm rn ɻb ɻg ɻm ɻɳ sp st ʂʈ sk ʂq/ {{angbr|''mp nt ṉṯ nc nq mb nd ṉḏ ng nḡ ns ṉx lp lt ḻṯ lc ḻq lb ld ḻḏ lg ḻḡ rp rt ṟṯ rc rq rb rd ṟḏ rg rḡ rm rn ṟb ṟg ṟm ṟṉ sp st xṯ sc xq''}}
In addition, ''s'' and ''ṟ'' are not allowed initially.
====Sandhi====
====Sandhi====
==Orthography==
Roshterian natively uses the Talmic script.
===Punctuation===
*| = period
*. = comma
*₂ = strong comma
*ᑉ = question mark
*ᖾ = exclamation point
*- = dash
*~ = ellipsis
*⸗ = semicolon
*ᕑ = colon
*⟨ ⟩ = parentheses
===Numerals===
Roshterian uses a base-12 positional numeral system. The digits are as follows:
ɔ ı ʎ ɺ ħ ʕ ʑ ɛ ɴ κ ə ʋ = 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X E
duodecimal point: :
1728's separator: · (optional)
Examples:
2017 = 1,201dd = ı·ʎɔı
π = 3.184809493b918...dd = ɺ:ıɴħ·ɴɔк·ħкɺ·кʋı·ɴ... or ɺ:ıɴħɴɔкħкɺкʋıɴ...
==Sound changes==
The most significant change characterizing Roshterian is the coalescing and altering of consonant clusters, often creating retroflex consonants.
*kw, gw > p, b
*gl-, gr- > l, r
*{{recon|ā}} > ''ia'' ({{recon|nā}} > ''nia'' 'I'); {{recon|ō}} > ''ua''; {{recon|au}} > ''oo''; {{recon|ou}} > ''uu''; {{recon|ū}} > ''ii''
*{{recon|qʷ}} > /χʷ/ > /ɧ/ > ''x''; {{recon|ʁʷ}} > /ζ/ > ''ṟ''
**''ʁʷelinəs'' ("6 parts [of 12]") > ''ṟelin'' 'half'
**''gʷaθwā'' > ''bati'' 'neck, throat' ~ Thn. ''gaθvā'' 'throat (also language)'
*{{recon|sl-, sm-, sn-}} > ''ḻ-, f-, ṉ-''
*{{recon|sɸ-, sr-, sw-}} > ''x-, ṟ-, x-''
*{{recon|st, sk, skʷ, sq}} > ''ṯ-/sṯ, t-/st-, f, q-/xq''
**''stuφs'' 'fire' > ''ṯuu''
**''stas-'' > ''ṯetsil'' 'gathering' (~ Thn. ''Stasnyssōs'' > Tíogall ''Stánsa'', Clofabosin ''stannsin'' 'a holiday')
**''skəttai'' > ''tyyta'' 'body' ~ Thn. ''scattae''
**{{recon|bastom}} > ''bast'' 'king' ~ Thn. ''bastom'' 'head'
*{{recon|sb, sd, sg}} > ''ṟb, ṟḏ, ṟg''
**{{recon|nasg-}} > ''naṟg'' '3'
*{{recon|φn, tn, φl, tl/dl}} > /ːn, t-/ts, ːt, ʈ/ɖ/
**''θnāgin'' > ''tiagin'' 'I believe' ~ Thn. ''θnāginis''
**''oφlutsus'' > ''ootus'' 'wave'
*{{recon|kt, qt}} > /jt, ːʈ/
**{{recon|tektə}} > ''teit'' /teit/ 'child'
**{{recon|neqtə}} > ''neeṯ'' /neːʈ/ 'cloud'
*{{recon|ks, qs}} > /js, ːʂ/
*{{recon|kn, gn, kʷn, gʷn, qn, ql, qr}} > /jn, jn, m, m, :ɳ, :ɻ, :ɻ/ (with **/uj/ > /uː/ )
**''sφugnus'' > ''xuun''  'root' ~ Thn. ''sφugnus''
**''leqnos'' > ''leeṉ'' 'river' ~ Thn. ''leānos''?
**''qrīdis'' > ''ṟiid'' 'knife' ~ Thn. ''ȝrīdis'' 'edge'
*Word-initially, kn, gn, kʷn, gʷn > /kl, gl, pl, bl/
**''gʷnūnum'' > ''bliin'' 'scar' ~ Thn. ''gnūnum'' 'scar', Tíogall ''gnúinte'' 'scar'
*{{recon|φj, tj, kj, qj}} > ''pt s s-/ts ḡ''
*{{recon|j-, s-}} > ''h-''
*{{recon|φ-}} > ''∅-''
*Initial short vowels drop
*{{recon|skj, stj}} > ''ṯ-/xṯ, s-/ːs''
*final short vowels lost; final ''-m, -r, -s, -t'' lost; final long vowels shorten (''ia, ua'' > ''i, u'')
*''i''-affection: The following changes affect V1 in sequences of the form V1 + consonant cluster + ultimate (*i/*ī/*j) unless the consonant cluster after V1 contains a retroflex consonant.
**''a'' > ''e''
**''e'' > ''i''
*Stress shifts to final
*Some combining forms and combined forms are altered due to the stress shift - conjunct forms for verbs arise when there is an antepenultimate syllable
*penultimate ''ia'' > ''i''
*remaining ''s-'' > ''t-''


==Morphology==
==Morphology==
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*''boo-'' = 'alas'
*''boo-'' = 'alas'
*''yṟ/ṟy-'' = (softening marker)
*''yṟ/ṟy-'' = (softening marker)
*''gora-'' = 'oh no!'
*[mirative]
*[antimirative: "unsurprisingly"]


=====Evidentiality affixes=====
=====Evidentiality affixes=====
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*''i-'' (before C), ''r-'' (before V) = I witnessed or otherwise directly experienced this
*''i-'' (before C), ''r-'' (before V) = I witnessed or otherwise directly experienced this
*''pyn-'' = information I obtained from hearsay or am quoting
*''pyn-'' = information I obtained from hearsay or am quoting
*''dre-'' = a third-party source I consider credible
*''nar-'' = a third-party source I consider credible
*''me-'' = my own inference, assumption or subjective opinion
*''me-'' = my own inference, assumption or subjective opinion
*''hy-'' (< PTal ''*səni φī...'' 'tell me if...') = interrogative (used for both wh-questions and yes-no questions)
*''hy-'' (< PTal ''*səni φī...'' 'tell me if...') = interrogative (used for both wh-questions and yes-no questions)
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=====Negative/focus affixes=====
=====Negative/focus affixes=====
Negation is marked with the negative affix ''mis-'' (before V), or ''mi-''/''N-'' (before C), which may alter the verb stem to its incorporating form.
Negation is marked with the negative affix ''mis-'' (before V), or ''mi-''/''N-'' (before C), which may alter the verb stem to its incorporating form.
There's also focused affirmative ("yes, X is true") and focused negative ("no, X isn't true") affixes, used e.g. when answering questions.


*Negative: ''mis-'', ''mi-'', ''N-''
*Negative: ''mis-'', ''mi-'', ''N-''
*Focused affirmative: ''fe-''
*Focused negative: ''tir-''


=====Causative person markers=====
=====Causative person markers=====
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=====Subject+TAM markers=====
=====Subject+TAM markers=====
Roshterian tenses: present, perfect, imperfect, future
{{col-begin}}
{{col-begin}}
{{col-break}}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
{| class="bluetable"
|+ Progressive indicative
|+ Present indicative
|-
|-
! Person !! Affix !! ''-ḡaimian'' 'I fly' !! ''-caasyn'' "I eat"
! Person !! Affix !! ''-ḡaimian'' 'I fly' !! ''-caasyn'' "I eat"
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{{col-break}}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
{| class="bluetable"
|+ Perfective indicative
|+ Past indicative
|-
|-
! Person  !! ''-ḡaimian'' "I fly" || ''-caasyn'' "I eat"
! Person  !! ''-ḡaimian'' "I fly" || ''-caasyn'' "I eat"
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*''-peren'': 'I can/I'm able to'
*''-peren'': 'I can/I'm able to'
*''-ṯysin'': 'I may/I have permission to' (negated: 'I must not')
*''-ṯysin'': 'I may/I have permission to' (negated: 'I must not')
*''-xan'': 'I intend to'
*''-xan'': 'I will' (future tense)
*''-dawan'': 'I will'
*''-dawan'': 'I want to' (future tense)


====Copula====
====Copula====
To express "is a [NOUN]" or "is [ADJ]", the copula ''-(l)uan'' is suffixed to the bare stem of X; X plus the copula then goes to the normal stem slot for purposes of verb inflection. The noun itself doesn't go into the plural even when the subject is plural.
To express "is a [NOUN]" or "is [ADJ]", the copula ''-(l)uan'' is suffixed to the bare stem of X; X plus the copula then goes to the normal stem slot for purposes of verb inflection. The noun itself doesn't go into the plural even when the subject is plural.


:'''''Lameṯeituu.'''''
:'''''Lamebaaṯuu.'''''
:la-me-ṯeit-uu
:la-me-baaṯ-uu
:merely-INFERRED-child-COP.PRES.3PL
:merely-INFERRED-child-COP.PRES.3PL
:''In my opinion, they are mere children.''
:''In my opinion, they are mere children.''


:'''''Hyroṉḏuar, hywleituar?'''''
:'''''Hyroṉḏuar, hyteituar?'''''
:hy-roṉḏ-uar, hy-bleit-uar
:hy-roṉḏ-uar, hy-teit-uar
:Q-man-COP.2SG, Q-woman-COP.PRES.2SG
:Q-man-COP.2SG, Q-child-COP.PRES.2SG
:''Are you a man or a woman?''
:''Are you a man or a boy?''


When the copula is added on nouns without an evidential, it emphasizes the noun or simply indicates the tense of an action (either past or non-past).
When the copula is added on nouns without an evidential, it emphasizes the noun or simply indicates the tense of an action (either past or non-past).
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===Nouns===
===Nouns===
Nouns are marked with a singular-plural distinction, and may also take possessive suffixes. However, the lemma form of a noun is typically its combining form, which is the incorporated form of a noun and is also used to form possessed forms and compounds. Unlike [[Thensarian]], Roshterian lost the [[Proto-Talmic]] grammatical gender; gendered pronouns and verb affixes no longer mark grammatical gender, but natural gender (as in [[Naquian]]). There is no definite or indefinite article.
Nouns are marked with a singular-plural distinction, and may also take possessive suffixes. However, the lemma form of a noun is typically its combining form, which is the incorporated form of a noun and is also used to form possessed forms and compounds. Unlike [[Thensarian]], Roshterian lost the Proto-[[Talmic]] grammatical gender; gendered pronouns and verb affixes no longer mark grammatical gender, but natural gender (as in [[Naquian]]). There is no definite or indefinite article.


The plural form is inherited from the Proto-Talmic reduplicated collective, and is often formed by reduplication. Example: ''bleit'' /blɛit/ 'woman', ''bebleit'' /bɛˈblɛit/ 'women'. Some irregularities may be present due to the retention of the original single consonant in the reduplicant, as opposed to the stem-initial cluster where the consonants interacted to produce new consonants and clusters.
The plural form is inherited from the Proto-Talmic reduplicated collective, and is often formed by reduplication. Example: ''bleit'' /blɛit/ 'woman', ''bebleit'' /bɛˈblɛit/ 'women'. Some irregularities may be present due to the retention of the original single consonant in the reduplicant, as opposed to the stem-initial cluster where the consonants interacted to produce new consonants and clusters.
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|''weinys''||''uweinys''
|''weinys''||''uweinys''
|-
|-
!|his/her (3)
!|his (3)
|''weinyti''||''uweinyti''
|''weinyty''||''uweinyty''
|-
!|her (3)
|''weinytii''||''uweinytii''
|-
|-
!|its (3)
!|its (3)
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|''doiros''||''ledoiros''
|''doiros''||''ledoiros''
|-
|-
!|his/her
!|his
|''doiroti''||''ledoiroti''
|''doiroty''||''ledoiroty''
|-
!|her
|''doirotii''||''ledoirotii''
|-
|-
!|its
!|its
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|''ṟiidis''||''qeṟiidis''
|''ṟiidis''||''qeṟiidis''
|-
|-
!|his/her
!|his
|''ṟiiditi''||''qeṟiiditi''
|''ṟiidity''||''qeṟiidity''
|-
!|her
|''ṟiiditii''||''qeṟiiditii''
|-
|-
!|its
!|its
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===Adjectives===  
===Adjectives===  
The class of adjectives is actually a small, closed subclass of nouns, usually relating to concrete properties of objects such as shape, color, size, and texture, and relatively permanent characteristics of people. Note that most English adjectives, like "cozy", "active", "incendiary", ..., are expressed in Roshterian by other means such as an inflected verb.  
The class of adjectives is actually a small, closed subclass of nouns, usually relating to concrete properties of objects such as shape, color, size, and texture, and relatively permanent characteristics of people. Note that most English adjectives, like "cozy", "active", "incendiary", ..., are expressed in Roshterian by other means such as inflected verbs or verb phrases.


Predicative adjectives work the same way as predicative nouns in that they must take the copula.  
Predicative adjectives work the same way as predicative nouns in that they must take the copula.  
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Sometimes not using applicatives is preferred, sometimes vice versa:
Sometimes not using applicatives is preferred, sometimes vice versa:


:''Idixoorin Qaaroxṯerim.''
:''Ixoorin di Qaaroxṯerim.''
:'I live in Roshteria.' (lit. I inhabit Roshteria)
:'I live in Roshteria.' (lit. I live in Roshteria)
 
:''Idixoorin ḡeeliaṉ.''
:'I live in a city.' (lit. I inhabit a city)


:''Ixoorin di ḡeeliaṉ.''
:'I live in a city.'


Applicatives are not only useful for emphasizing or topicalizing the oblique argument but in fact are necessary for certain syntactic constructions (and for just sounding natural). When an applicative is used, the original direct object (when used) takes the instrumental preposition ''nai''.
Applicatives are not only useful for emphasizing or topicalizing the oblique argument but in fact are necessary for certain syntactic constructions (and for just sounding natural). When an applicative is used, the original direct object (when used) takes the instrumental preposition ''nai''.
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===Tower of Babel===
===Tower of Babel===
===Snake Lemma===
===Snake Lemma===
:''Professor Kate Gunzinger proves the Snake Lemma in the film ''It's My Turn'' (1980). I'll omit the proof, which is less linguistically interesting. [Most Roshterians prefer to use Eevo terms when discussing higher mathematics anyway.]''
:''Professor Kate Gunzinger proves the Snake Lemma in the film ''It's My Turn'' (1980). I'll omit the proof, which is less linguistically interesting. [Most Roshterians prefer to use [[Eevo]] terms when discussing higher mathematics anyway.]''


:'''''Haxupimyṯrut yṟonypinoofer ''binróþ'' s, biṉṯylaḡilcama peeṯypryṉifiaqalip, ḻe?'''''
:'''''Haxupimyṯrut yṟonypinoofer ''binróþ'' s, beṉṯylaḡilcoma peeṯypryṉifiaqolip, ḻe?'''''
:haxu-pi-myṯru-t yṟ-ony-pi-noo-fer binróþ s bin-ṯy-laḡ-ilcam-a ḻe
:haxu-pi-myṯru-t yṟ-ony-pi-noo-fer binróþ s ben-ṯy-laḡ-ilcom-a pee-ṯypr-yṉif-iaqoli-ip ḻe
:way-4-build-CONST DISC_SOFTEN-CAUS.1SG-4-see-2PL.SUBJ.PERF mathematical_function s, DISC_SHOULD_BE_OBVIOUS-PASS-APPL_TELIC-sow-3SG.N NOMZ-PASS-examine-show-at_first-4 TAG
:way-4-build-CONST DISC_SOFTEN-CAUS.1SG-4-see-2PL.SUBJ.PERF mathematical_function s, DISC_"should be obvious"-PASS-APPL_TELIC-sow-3SG.N NOMZ-PASS-examine-show-at_first-4 TAG
:''Let me just show you how to *construct* the map s, which is the fun of the lemma anyhow, okay?''
:''Let me just show you how to *construct* the map s, which is the fun of the lemma anyhow, okay?''
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