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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' (''nə rhọb {{PAGENAME}}'' from ''*nàh ròpàh qéqèpàh'') is a classical language of ___. It's inspired by Old Irish, Tiberian Hebrew, and Vietnamese.


== Phonology ==
b d g għ q = /p t k {{qeth}} ʔ/;


{{Infobox language
aspirated stops p t c k kħ;
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|creator = [[User:IlL|IlL]], [[User:Praimhín|Praimhín]]
|name = Ciêng
|nativename = jươn Ciêng
|pronunciation=/jɨən kiəŋ/ 
|setting = [[Verse:Tricin]]
|region = Bjeheond
|speakers= 270 million
|date=13b0dd
|familycolor=tergetic
|fam1=[[Lakovic]]
|fam2=[[Ashanic]]
|fam3=[[Windermere]]
|script=Windermere script
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'''Ciêng''' (''KEE-əng''; natively: /kīəŋ/, [[Windermere]]: ''Cieng'') is a tonal [[Ashanic languages|Ashanic]] language spoken in Tumhan, inspired by Vietnamese and Welsh. ("What if Vietnamese were rhotic?") It is closely related to [[Windermere/Classical|Classical Windermere]] but is not a direct descendant of it.
Spirants f θ x xħ ħ = /f θ x χ ħ/


==Diachronics==
m n ŋ; ṁ ṅ ŋ̇ = /m n ŋ; v{{nas}} (lenis n) (lenis ŋ)/
TODO: cluster reflexes


Waaay before Grimm's law, thus b p were still voiced and tenuis stops > p + low resp. high tone classes
x s h = /ɬ ʃ h/


Khmmerization BEFORE tone split
b ƀ đ d y g ǥ = /v b(impl) d(impl) ð j ɣ (Eevo L)/


Numbers: thon, rhã, ziêu, chôi, mượr, tảy
r l rh /r l (flap)/


whếp = light
hm hn hng hr voiceless resonants


whì = dust
i ê e a o ô u = /i e ɛ a ɔ o u/; ă = shva na; ĕ = ultrashort e; iê uô


Rhìa whươn mì Whền Whết = I live in Whehli (means something different with different tones)
Ultrashort vowels cannot carry independent tones


lieb "to put" ~ lliệm
tones: a á à ả ã ạ (mid~falling high low rising~dipping nga nang)
=== Mutations ===
# Lenition: m n ŋ p t c k kħ s v l r -> ṁ ṅ ŋ̇ b d y g għ h 0 l rh
# L-coloring: m n ŋ p t c k kħ s v l r -> m l ŋ ƀ đ ǥ ǥ għ x l l r
# Aspiration: m n ŋ p t c k kħ s v l r -> hm hn hŋ ph th ch kh ħ s ph x hr


dưan tlẹ = to thank in Ciêng?
== Proto-language ==
5 vowels: i e a o u; each mora had high and low tones


tlẹ could be cognate to tănlea "to refuse", dưan is cognate to Windermere şän
allowed syllables: CV, CVn, CVh, CVl (CVnC becomes CV(sokuon)C as in Hebrew)


chổi = reflexive pronoun
Todo: Stress patterns for construct nouns and dependent verbs


thỏi = learn (~ snoach)
Consonants: m n ŋ p t c k q 2 s w l r y /m n ŋ p t k q{{adv}} q{{ret}} ʔ ʃ w l r j/


rêng = net
Tone reflexes (' denotes stress):
(these occur by moras with long vowels counting as 2 moras): 'á > á; 'à > à; 'á.á > ã; 'á.à > a; 'à.á > ả; 'à.à > ạ (This occurs before syncope)


truồng = long
umlaut like in OIr


*-b *-d *-g should fricativize and become tones, not *-p *-t, *-k
== Morphology ==
=== Nouns ===
Nouns fall into 3 genders (human, animate and inanimate) and inflect for number (sg, du, pl) and case (abs erg gen lat loc voc). Possessed forms have unpredictable stems and comes from proto-forms that had a different stress pattern than absolute forms. The appropriate 3rd person possessed forms are used like construct state forms in possessive constructions.


==Phonology==
The locative is used with prepositions to indicate location and is the default prepositional case; when the lative is used the same prepositions indicate destination, and when the ergative is used they indicate "motion from".
===Consonants===
'''m n nr ng''' /m n (retro n) ŋ/


'''p t tr tl c qu''' /p t tʂ tl k kw ʔ/ (/ʔ/ not written)
article nă + various mutations (also relativizer)
==== Possessive prefixes ====
===== Type 1 possession =====
Type 1 possession is somewhat like inalienable possession. It is marked by adding possessive prefixes to the ''dependent'' form of the noun.
* sèmpèŋàrán > sệpŋă-N 'body'
* hísèmpèŋàrán > ispŋăr-N 'my body'
* ŋusèmpèŋàrán > ŋùspŋăr-N 'thy body'
* àsèmpèŋàrán > àspŋăr-N (animate)
* ànsèmpèŋàrán > àspŋăr-N (inanimate)
* láhisèmpèŋàrán > lispŋăr-N 'our body'
* númasèmpèŋàrán > nospŋăr-N 'your body'
* àlsèmpèŋàrán > àxpŋăr-N '3pl's body'
===== Type 2 posssession =====
Type 2 possession is the default possessive strategy. It is marked by adding possessive prefixes to the ''independent'' form of the noun.


'''ph th kh wh''' /f θ χ χw/
=== Adjectives ===
Adjectives agree with nouns, def adjectives take the def article (bc Hebrew)


'''z s rh ll h''' /s ʃ ʂ~r̥ ɬ h/
=== Verbs ===
Old Irish-style independent-dependent verbal allomorphy, which includes tone changes


'''tz ts''' /ts tʃ/
P{{PAGENAME}} rò.mátse, láh.ràmátse '3sg saves, 3sg does not save' --> ră:más, la:hrảmhăs


'''w r l j''' /w r l ʒ/
productive redup
==== Inflection ====
Present tense forms of ''să·kumʰa'' '3sg remembers':
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Person  !! Primitive {{PAGENAME}} !! Underlying form !! {{PAGENAME}} surface form
|-
| 1SG || ''so.kúmpa-sa-t(í), .sòkúmpa-sa-t(í)'' || ''să·kommpṡẻ, ·sủgmbẻ'' || ''să·kumʰẻ, ·sủmmẻ''
|-
| 2SG || ''so·kúmpa-sa-ŋ(u), ·sòkúmpa-sa-ŋ(u)'' || ''să·kommpṡəŋ, ·sủgmbəŋ'' || ''să·kumʰụ, ·sủmmụ''
|-
| 3SG || ''so·kúmpa-sáse, ·sòkúmpa-sáse'' || ''să·kommpṡa, ·sủgmba'' || ''să·kumʰa, ·sủmma''
|-
| 1PL || ''so·kúmpa-sa-lehi, ·sòkúmpa-sa-lehi'' || ''să·kommpṡlə̣j, ·sủgmblə̣j'' || ''să·kumʰlị, ·sủmlị''
|-
| 2PL || ''so·kúmpa-sa-numa, ·sòkúmpa-sa-numa'' || ''să·kommpṡnăm, ·sủgmbnăm'' || ''să·kumʰnăm, ·sủmnăm''
|-
| 3PL || ''so·kúmpa-sa-ro, ·sòkúmpa-sa-ro'' || ''să·kommpṡər, ·sủgmbər'' || ''să·kumʰăr, ·sủmmăr''
|}


-w- is an onglide
== Syntax ==
VOS, head-initial


===Vowels===
question particle să-L
'''ă a â e ê i o ô u ư ao eo êu aư ai oi ôi ia/iê iêu ua/uô uôi ăr ar er ir or ur âr''' /a ɑ: ɜ ɛ e~ɪ~ɛɪ i~ɪj ɔ o~əʏ u: ɨ: aʊ ɛʊ eʊ aʏ aɪ ɔɪ oɪ iə iəw uə uəj æɹ ɒɹ eɹ iɹ oɹ oɹ əɹ/
 
===Tones===
6 tones of Viet
==Sample text==
===UDHR===
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Ciêng
 
Sồn khổ sây àng khen whồi tề tưr thến mì pòi rhành tề mốc sin. Tzôr jánh llao ngá phuộng tề ngá mông lla, àng thoàr nạt tzôr tsó thon sa mảy mì rhuỗr dàư khung toeng.
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Ciêng Gloss
 
all person are_born then free bone and equal same in state dignity and get right. they receive down ability reason and ability think back, and must SUBJ they work act one to other in heart of love fellow
 
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[[Windermere|Modern Wdm.]]
 
Tsor croth fa ășeal pluam te thür mis hăltsăbas tes imłin. Ănam hac răfongüe yas hălpăthin tes hălslith'a, te pdar thușnoa e nam tănse fidoan măceaf nătha mis șăgor hălchăsräf.
 
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English
 
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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[[Category:Tricin]][[Category:Lakovic languages]]
[[Category:Languages]]

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Flei/Old draft (nə rhọb Flei/Old draft from *nàh ròpàh qéqèpàh) is a classical language of ___. It's inspired by Old Irish, Tiberian Hebrew, and Vietnamese.

Phonology

b d g għ q = /p t k ʡ ʔ/;

aspirated stops p t c k kħ;

Spirants f θ x xħ ħ = /f θ x χ ħ/

m n ŋ; ṁ ṅ ŋ̇ = /m n ŋ; ṽ (lenis n) (lenis ŋ)/

x s h = /ɬ ʃ h/

b ƀ đ d y g ǥ = /v b(impl) d(impl) ð j ɣ (Eevo L)/

r l rh /r l (flap)/

hm hn hng hr voiceless resonants

i ê e a o ô u = /i e ɛ a ɔ o u/; ă = shva na; ĕ = ultrashort e; iê uô

Ultrashort vowels cannot carry independent tones

tones: a á à ả ã ạ (mid~falling high low rising~dipping nga nang)

Mutations

  1. Lenition: m n ŋ p t c k kħ s v l r -> ṁ ṅ ŋ̇ b d y g għ h 0 l rh
  2. L-coloring: m n ŋ p t c k kħ s v l r -> m l ŋ ƀ đ ǥ ǥ għ x l l r
  3. Aspiration: m n ŋ p t c k kħ s v l r -> hm hn hŋ ph th ch kh ħ s ph x hr

Proto-language

5 vowels: i e a o u; each mora had high and low tones

allowed syllables: CV, CVn, CVh, CVl (CVnC becomes CV(sokuon)C as in Hebrew)

Todo: Stress patterns for construct nouns and dependent verbs

Consonants: m n ŋ p t c k q 2 s w l r y /m n ŋ p t k q̟ q̠ ʔ ʃ w l r j/

Tone reflexes (' denotes stress): (these occur by moras with long vowels counting as 2 moras): 'á > á; 'à > à; 'á.á > ã; 'á.à > a; 'à.á > ả; 'à.à > ạ (This occurs before syncope)

umlaut like in OIr

Morphology

Nouns

Nouns fall into 3 genders (human, animate and inanimate) and inflect for number (sg, du, pl) and case (abs erg gen lat loc voc). Possessed forms have unpredictable stems and comes from proto-forms that had a different stress pattern than absolute forms. The appropriate 3rd person possessed forms are used like construct state forms in possessive constructions.

The locative is used with prepositions to indicate location and is the default prepositional case; when the lative is used the same prepositions indicate destination, and when the ergative is used they indicate "motion from".

article nă + various mutations (also relativizer)

Possessive prefixes

Type 1 possession

Type 1 possession is somewhat like inalienable possession. It is marked by adding possessive prefixes to the dependent form of the noun.

  • sèmpèŋàrán > sệpŋă-N 'body'
  • hísèmpèŋàrán > ispŋăr-N 'my body'
  • ŋusèmpèŋàrán > ŋùspŋăr-N 'thy body'
  • àsèmpèŋàrán > àspŋăr-N (animate)
  • ànsèmpèŋàrán > àspŋăr-N (inanimate)
  • láhisèmpèŋàrán > lispŋăr-N 'our body'
  • númasèmpèŋàrán > nospŋăr-N 'your body'
  • àlsèmpèŋàrán > àxpŋăr-N '3pl's body'
Type 2 posssession

Type 2 possession is the default possessive strategy. It is marked by adding possessive prefixes to the independent form of the noun.

Adjectives

Adjectives agree with nouns, def adjectives take the def article (bc Hebrew)

Verbs

Old Irish-style independent-dependent verbal allomorphy, which includes tone changes

PFlei/Old draft rò.mátse, láh.ràmátse '3sg saves, 3sg does not save' --> ră:más, la:hrảmhăs

productive redup

Inflection

Present tense forms of să·kumʰa '3sg remembers':

Person Primitive Flei/Old draft Underlying form Flei/Old draft surface form
1SG so.kúmpa-sa-t(í), .sòkúmpa-sa-t(í) să·kommpṡẻ, ·sủgmbẻ să·kumʰẻ, ·sủmmẻ
2SG so·kúmpa-sa-ŋ(u), ·sòkúmpa-sa-ŋ(u) să·kommpṡəŋ, ·sủgmbəŋ să·kumʰụ, ·sủmmụ
3SG so·kúmpa-sáse, ·sòkúmpa-sáse să·kommpṡa, ·sủgmba să·kumʰa, ·sủmma
1PL so·kúmpa-sa-lehi, ·sòkúmpa-sa-lehi să·kommpṡlə̣j, ·sủgmblə̣j să·kumʰlị, ·sủmlị
2PL so·kúmpa-sa-numa, ·sòkúmpa-sa-numa să·kommpṡnăm, ·sủgmbnăm să·kumʰnăm, ·sủmnăm
3PL so·kúmpa-sa-ro, ·sòkúmpa-sa-ro să·kommpṡər, ·sủgmbər să·kumʰăr, ·sủmmăr

Syntax

VOS, head-initial

question particle să-L