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~~Created by Praimhín; a Tricin-Apple PIE crossover~~

~~==Differences from~~ Tricin==

'''Crackfic Tricin''' is a Tricin-Irta crossover created by [[User:Praimhín|Praimhín]] and [[User:IlL|Inthar]]. Contrary to its name, it's not meant to be totally unrealistic.

* it assumes travel between [[Verse:Irta]] and a Crackfic version of [[Verse:Tricin]] is possible. Tricin got an influx of Irtan immigrants after the religious turmoil in Europe in Irta's 18th century (the majority of Irtan immigration, though there have been Irta immigrants to Tricin before), and brought along their tech which was more advanced than Tricin at the time (right after the Jeodganite Revolution). This explains why English is dominant in CF Tricin.

* The Bjeheondian sprachbund is more like our Central European one.

* Hetomic, English, Netagin, Irish, Clofabosin and Naquian are the most widely used languages in Crackfic Tricin, and Clofabosin and English are lingua francas.

~~in Talma, [[Windermere]] is simply called Naengic; in Bjeheond it's associated with descendants~~ of ~~immigrants from Lake Windermere who arrived~~ in ~~Talma and brought the language~~ to ~~Bjeheond; "Windermere" is reanalyzed as "Wen Dămea"~~

==Todo==

Include a weird Irtan dialect of English in addition to Standard English?

==People==

*Etsoj Jopah -> Tsăhong Starwise (/stɑɹɪz/; /staˈʁis/ in Windermere)

*Etsoj Jopah -> Tsăhong Starwise; he waxes poetic about OIr and not Tigol (/stɑɹɪz/; /staˈʁis/ in Windermere)

*Rewhd Sgutsis -> ~~Clara Fort (A British~~-Talman)

*Rewhd Avnin Sgutsis -> Rút na hAbhann-Cruaiche, Tsarfati-Talman ethnomusicologist

*Prăfin fa Bălang -> Pda Fien (Dr. Finn)

*Pda Blin (Dr. Pancake)

*Anuratha Pathmanaban /ɑnuʁɑ'd̪ɑ pɑd̪mɑnɑˈbɑn/, Indo-Bjeheondian inventor

*Hāṇatocī Vaḷdāka Sarapaṇaṭṭa - Palkhan poet

* P{{cll}}dacnìje el Bejzàvìje - [[Verse:Thab Skawj]]

==Languages==

*Semitic~~, Camalic~~, IE, Japanese - spoken by immigrants from ~~Apple PIE~~

*Semitic, IE, Japanese, Tamil etc. - spoken by immigrants from Irta

** Hyperfrench

**Bjeheondian English

**Onishian English

**~~Bjeheondian~~ Hebrew

**Cualand Hebrew

**Bjeheondian [[Ăn Yidiș]]

**Cualand Ăn Yidiș

**Dodellian Persian

**Balang Greek

**~~Onishian Camalic~~

** Cualand Irish

**~~Þrwhasian Camalic~~

** Talman Irish

** Cualand Japanese

*Talmic

**Middle ~~Eevo~~

**Tigol

***Judeo-~~Eevo~~

*** Middle Anbirese

**Wiebian (''Altwiebisch''; ''alt'' ~ Eevo orđ 'big', ''Isch'' ~ Eevo ''esg'' 'voice')

**** Judeo-Anbirese

***a Yiddish-inspired descendant, ''vibish'', spoken in Wieb

** Ancient Wiebian (''Altwiebisch''; ''alt'' ~ Eevo orđ 'big', ''Isch'' ~ Eevo ''esg'' 'voice')

***''~~Böhlwiebisch~~'', a ~~Hochdeutsch~~-like Wiebian dialect

***a YIVO Yiddish-inspired descendant, ''mingenvibish'' or Modern Wiebian, or ''vibish tzekh an ing'' "Wiebian of the time" spoken in Wieb

***~~Brīesingisch~~: an Old-Englishy language; haugen-datzes -> hēagendazs?

***''Behlwiebisch'', a Boarisch-like Wiebian dialect

***Brīesingisc: an Old-Englishy language; haugen-datzes -> hēagendazs?

***a tonal language inspired by Danish and Vietnamese

* Lakovic

** Windermere

** Windermere (Terg vernaculars are extinct)

** Tseer

** Tseer (extinct today)

*Crackfic Capetan

**"A Tuzzo Lanto"

*Palkhan

* Humpback Welsh (a Cuam-Flei language)

*Idavic

**Shalaian

*Rhythiazolamide?

===Wiebian===

A ~~descendant of Thensarian~~ - the idea is inspired by German placenames of Celtic origin

A Talmic language - the idea is inspired by German placenames of Celtic origin

kiem, ziedel, nalch, taub, serd, stahm, laut, röld, ~~falb~~, ihl

kiem, ziedel, nalch, taub, serd, stahm, laut, röld, balb, ihl

l - r switcheroo, since Talmic l sounds like Bjeheondian r - Windermere transcriptions of Eevo even use <r ř> for Eevo <l r>

l - r switcheroo, since Talmic l sounds like Bjeheondian r - Windermere transcriptions of Eevo even use <r ļ> for Eevo <l r>

the standard Wiebian accent is somewhat different from Hochdeutsch: short o sounds like Estonian õ, as in Wocht "lake" ...

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===Bjeheondian English===

VSO exclamations common; certain Bjeheondian calques; varying levels of Windermere and ~~Shalaian~~ phonetic influences

VSO exclamations common; certain Bjeheondian calques; varying levels of Windermere and Wiebian phonetic influences

Bjeheondians sometimes reduce vowels to /ə/ even when native accents don't, like sometimes /səmtəms/; they also generalize plurals of nouns ending in f and th, the latter pronounced /dz/.

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Bjeheondian English is typically non-rhotic. Windermere-influenced accents realize the syllabic r as a front rounded vowel /ø/, and in unstressed position, /ə/ rather than the native Windermere /ɐ/. Final devoicing is a dialectal feature of certain Wiebian accents.

Stress may differ in Bjeheond due to a mixture of spelling pronunciation, regularization and influences from regional dialects of ~~Apple PIE~~, often tracing to Greek or Romance languages. Sometimes the Dreimorengesetz is applied synchronically -- e.g. -tion nouns are regularized as in ''attríbution''

Stress may differ in Bjeheond due to a mixture of spelling pronunciation, regularization and influences from regional dialects of Irta, often tracing to Greek or Romance languages. Sometimes the Dreimorengesetz is applied synchronically -- e.g. -tion nouns are regularized as in ''attríbution''

====Trician creole English====

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Not much Trician influence in phonology or grammar, unlike in Bjeheond

Onishian non-creole English is entirely an offshoot of an ~~Apple PIE~~ British dialect

Onishian non-creole English is entirely an offshoot of an Irta British dialect

~~===Cualand===~~

~~Uninhabited before it was settled by Skellans and a few centuries later, by the English (Mavor Tswcyn should have an opinion on this)~~

Cualand English has three main accents: broad, general and cultivated. Broad Cualand accents have phonemic /x/ as well as lots of Eevo words, like ''eell'' /eɪx/ "love", ''nwtxáh llys'' /nuˈtʃɑxəs/ "hello", ''cain'' /kaɪn/ "food". Even Cualand itself is often referred to simply as ''a Luav''. Cultivated Cualand English is practically British English, and General Cualand English is somewhere in between.

Other common languages in Cualand are Dodellian (more widely spoken than Eevo today), Windermere, Hivatish, Mandarin (written entirely in pinyin with tone markers; hanzi isn't used in Tricin), Sogdian and Shalaian.

=== A Tuzzo Lanto ===

Poetry restricts phonotactics or phonology? (like Gadsby which uses no e, but on steroids)

=== ~~Bjeheondian~~ Jews ===

=== Talman Jews ===

Languages: ~~Bellamoor Ăn Yidiș,~~ Judeo-~~Eevo~~

Languages: Judeo-Anbirese

==== Judeo-Anbirese ====

Preserves Middle Anbirese ''þ'' and ''δ'' (which becomes unaspirated t/z in Modern [[Anbirese]]), slender s > š instead of sje

==== Hebrew reading ====

/u o O a E e i (shva na) (chataf patach) (chataf segol) (chataf qamatz)/ ''u o eo a ae ae i eo a e eo''

/2 b v g ğ d ð h w z H T j k x l m n s 3 p f S q r š t þ/ = [2 b v g g d ð h v z x t= j kh x l n n s ng ph f ts k= r S th þ]

~~Hebrew revival in Tricin~~ in the ~~Jeosurun Sjeoreong~~ region of Cualand

=== Galoyseg ===

Spoken by Bjeheondian Jews in the Slithy region of Cualand and Bjeheond; written with the Hebrew alphabet

~~These guys use AP-Ashkenazi tropes retuned to diasem~~

A time traveler [[Galoyseg]] (more conservative vowels kept at the stage reflected by Hebrew orthography); same as canon Galoyseg except with Hebrew and Bjeheondian loans

~~=== Cualand~~ Hebrew ~~===~~

Galoyseg Hebrew should use ŋ for ayin

~~Starts out looking~~ a ~~lot like Mishnaic~~ Hebrew ~~but becomes more coincidentally Biblical from Eevo syntactic influence~~

The Hebrew spelling is very conservative and effectively treats PCel as PSem: Proto-Celtic *t that became /s/ becomes tav rafe, Proto-Celtic *ā becomes cholam, and Proto-Celtic *a that became Old Galoyseg *ā becomes qamatz. Hebrew loans are always written fully vocalized.

==Terrestrial terminology in Crackfic-Windermere==

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*săfongbear - to go virtual

*lăfoan - to phone

==Religions==

* Tswcynism

* [[Verse:Tricin/Hylnehbyþin|Hylnehbyþin]] (in its early stages; pretty much LW rationalism and Effective Altruism), "liturgical language" is English rather than Eevo as in Canon Tricin

*Buddhism (mainly Netagin and some Windermere speakers; primarily in Bjeheond, Talma and Etalocin)

**''Imwang'eth Ăfur Smech''

*Judaism

**Orthodox

**Conservative

**Reform

**Reconstructionist

*Talmic paganism

*Mărotłism

*Ñeðraism

* Snielism

*Christianity

** Remonitionist (Multiversalist Church of Cualand)

**Trician Catholic Church (Tar Ăcles Yălămtsor mi Sngeaf), common among Irish-Tricians; however many Irish-Tricians are not Catholic

***Trician saints?

*Syncretic mixes

**Hivantish Reformed Church - various levels of syncretism with Hivantish paganism; not exclusively Hivantish in Cualand

**Snielo-Buddhism (mystical side of Trician Buddhism; uses Mărotłist terminology)

**Snielo-Kabbalah

**Niemneab (a neo-animist/Druidic movement with Snielist touches; intended as a "reconstruction" of a hypothetical ancient Fishomian paganism, IRL also inspired by traditional Hmong religion)

*Jopahism (an offshoot of Snielism)

*Oompa-Loompaism (Capetan paganism)

*New Atheism

==Pop culture==

*''Keks, Alter Keks'', a misheard song

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-Created by Praimhín; a Tricin-Apple PIE crossover
+{{list subpages}}
-==Differences from Tricin==
+'''Crackfic Tricin''' is a Tricin-Irta crossover created by [[User:Praimhín|Praimhín]] and [[User:IlL|Inthar]]. Contrary to its name, it's not meant to be totally unrealistic.
+* it assumes travel between [[Verse:Irta]] and a Crackfic version of [[Verse:Tricin]] is possible. Tricin got an influx of Irtan immigrants after the religious turmoil in Europe in Irta's 18th century (the majority of Irtan immigration, though there have been Irta immigrants to Tricin before), and brought along their tech which was more advanced than Tricin at the time (right after the Jeodganite Revolution). This explains why English is dominant in CF Tricin.
+* The Bjeheondian sprachbund is more like our Central European one.
+* Hetomic, English, Netagin, Irish, Clofabosin and Naquian are the most widely used languages in Crackfic Tricin, and Clofabosin and English are lingua francas.
-in Talma, [[Windermere]] is simply called Naengic; in Bjeheond it's associated with descendants of immigrants from Lake Windermere who arrived in Talma and brought the language to Bjeheond; "Windermere" is reanalyzed as "Wen Dămea"
+==Todo==
+Include a weird Irtan dialect of English in addition to Standard English?
 ==People==
-*Etsoj Jopah -> Tsăhong Starwise (/stɑɹɪz/; /staˈʁis/ in Windermere)
+*Etsoj Jopah -> Tsăhong Starwise; he waxes poetic about OIr and not Tigol (/stɑɹɪz/; /staˈʁis/ in Windermere)
-*Rewhd Sgutsis -> Clara Fort (A British-Talman)
+*Rewhd Avnin Sgutsis -> Rút na hAbhann-Cruaiche, Tsarfati-Talman ethnomusicologist
 *Prăfin fa Bălang -> Pda Fien (Dr. Finn)
+*Pda Blin (Dr. Pancake)
+*Anuratha Pathmanaban /ɑnuʁɑ'd̪ɑ pɑd̪mɑnɑˈbɑn/, Indo-Bjeheondian inventor
+*Hāṇatocī Vaḷdāka Sarapaṇaṭṭa - Palkhan poet
+* P{{cll}}dacnìje el Bejzàvìje - [[Verse:Thab Skawj]]
 ==Languages==
-*Semitic, Camalic, IE, Japanese - spoken by immigrants from Apple PIE
+*Semitic, IE, Japanese, Tamil etc. - spoken by immigrants from Irta
+** Hyperfrench
 **Bjeheondian English
 **Onishian English
-**Bjeheondian Hebrew
+**Cualand Hebrew
-**Bjeheondian [[Ăn Yidiș]]
 **Cualand Ăn Yidiș
 **Dodellian Persian
 **Balang Greek
-**Onishian Camalic
+** Cualand Irish
-**Þrwhasian Camalic
+** Talman Irish
-** Cualand Japanese
 *Talmic
-**Middle Eevo
+**Tigol
-***Judeo-Eevo
+*** Middle Anbirese
-**Wiebian (''Altwiebisch''; ''alt'' ~ Eevo orđ 'big', ''Isch'' ~ Eevo ''esg'' 'voice')
+**** Judeo-Anbirese
-***a Yiddish-inspired descendant, ''vibish'', spoken in Wieb
+** Ancient Wiebian (''Altwiebisch''; ''alt'' ~ Eevo orđ 'big', ''Isch'' ~ Eevo ''esg'' 'voice')
-***''Böhlwiebisch'', a Hochdeutsch-like Wiebian dialect
+***a YIVO Yiddish-inspired descendant, ''mingenvibish'' or Modern Wiebian, or ''vibish tzekh an ing'' "Wiebian of the time" spoken in Wieb
-***Brīesingisch: an Old-Englishy language; haugen-datzes -> hēagendazs?
+***''Behlwiebisch'', a Boarisch-like Wiebian dialect
+***Brīesingisc: an Old-Englishy language; haugen-datzes -> hēagendazs?
 ***a tonal language inspired by Danish and Vietnamese
 * Lakovic
-** Windermere
+** Windermere (Terg vernaculars are extinct)
-** Tseer
+** Tseer (extinct today)
 *Crackfic Capetan
 **"A Tuzzo Lanto"
+*Palkhan
+* Humpback Welsh (a Cuam-Flei language)
+*Idavic
+**Shalaian
+*Rhythiazolamide?
 ===Wiebian===
-A descendant of Thensarian - the idea is inspired by German placenames of Celtic origin
+A Talmic language - the idea is inspired by German placenames of Celtic origin
-kiem, ziedel, nalch, taub, serd, stahm, laut, röld, falb, ihl
+kiem, ziedel, nalch, taub, serd, stahm, laut, röld, balb, ihl
-l - r switcheroo, since Talmic l sounds like Bjeheondian r - Windermere transcriptions of Eevo even use <r ř> for Eevo <l r>
+l - r switcheroo, since Talmic l sounds like Bjeheondian r - Windermere transcriptions of Eevo even use <r ļ> for Eevo <l r>
 the standard Wiebian accent is somewhat different from Hochdeutsch: short o sounds like Estonian õ, as in Wocht "lake" ...
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 ===Bjeheondian English===
-VSO exclamations common; certain Bjeheondian calques; varying levels of Windermere and Shalaian phonetic influences
+VSO exclamations common; certain Bjeheondian calques; varying levels of Windermere and Wiebian phonetic influences
 Bjeheondians sometimes reduce vowels to /ə/ even when native accents don't, like sometimes /səmtəms/; they also generalize plurals of nouns ending in f and th, the latter pronounced /dz/.
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 Bjeheondian English is typically non-rhotic. Windermere-influenced accents realize the syllabic r as a front rounded vowel /ø/, and in unstressed position, /ə/ rather than the native Windermere /ɐ/. Final devoicing is a dialectal feature of certain Wiebian accents.
-Stress may differ in Bjeheond due to a mixture of spelling pronunciation, regularization and influences from regional dialects of Apple PIE, often tracing to Greek or Romance languages. Sometimes the Dreimorengesetz is applied synchronically -- e.g. -tion nouns are regularized as in ''attríbution''
+Stress may differ in Bjeheond due to a mixture of spelling pronunciation, regularization and influences from regional dialects of Irta, often tracing to Greek or Romance languages. Sometimes the Dreimorengesetz is applied synchronically -- e.g. -tion nouns are regularized as in ''attríbution''
 ====Trician creole English====
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 Not much Trician influence in phonology or grammar, unlike in Bjeheond
-Onishian non-creole English is entirely an offshoot of an Apple PIE British dialect
+Onishian non-creole English is entirely an offshoot of an Irta British dialect
-===Cualand===
-Uninhabited before it was settled by Skellans and a few centuries later, by the English (Mavor Tswcyn should have an opinion on this)
-Cualand English has three main accents: broad, general and cultivated. Broad Cualand accents have phonemic /x/ as well as lots of Eevo words, like ''eell'' /eɪx/ "love", ''nwtxáh llys'' /nuˈtʃɑxəs/ "hello", ''cain'' /kaɪn/ "food". Even Cualand itself is often referred to simply as ''a Luav''. Cultivated Cualand English is practically British English, and General Cualand English is somewhere in between.
-Other common languages in Cualand are Dodellian (more widely spoken than Eevo today), Windermere, Hivatish, Mandarin (written entirely in pinyin with tone markers; hanzi isn't used in Tricin), Sogdian and Shalaian.
 === A Tuzzo Lanto ===
 Poetry restricts phonotactics or phonology? (like Gadsby which uses no e, but on steroids)
-=== Bjeheondian Jews ===
+=== Talman Jews ===
-Languages: Bellamoor Ăn Yidiș, Judeo-Eevo
+Languages: Judeo-Anbirese
+==== Judeo-Anbirese ====
+Preserves Middle Anbirese ''þ'' and ''δ'' (which becomes unaspirated t/z in Modern [[Anbirese]]), slender s > š instead of sje
+==== Hebrew reading ====
+/u o O a E e i (shva na) (chataf patach) (chataf segol) (chataf qamatz)/ ''u o eo a ae ae i eo a e eo''
+/2 b v g ğ d ð h w z H T j k x l m n s 3 p f S q r š t þ/ = [2 b v g g d ð h v z x t= j kh x l n n s ng ph f ts k= r S th þ]
-Hebrew revival in Tricin in the Jeosurun Sjeoreong region of Cualand
+=== Galoyseg ===
+{{main|Galoyseg/Crackfic}}
+Spoken by Bjeheondian Jews in the Slithy region of Cualand and Bjeheond; written with the Hebrew alphabet
-These guys use AP-Ashkenazi tropes retuned to diasem
+A time traveler [[Galoyseg]] (more conservative vowels kept at the stage reflected by Hebrew orthography); same as canon Galoyseg except with Hebrew and Bjeheondian loans
-=== Cualand Hebrew ===
+Galoyseg Hebrew should use ŋ for ayin
-Starts out looking a lot like Mishnaic Hebrew but becomes more coincidentally Biblical from Eevo syntactic influence
+The Hebrew spelling is very conservative and effectively treats PCel as PSem: Proto-Celtic *t that became /s/ becomes tav rafe, Proto-Celtic *ā becomes cholam, and Proto-Celtic *a that became Old Galoyseg *ā becomes qamatz. Hebrew loans are always written fully vocalized.
 ==Terrestrial terminology in Crackfic-Windermere==
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 *săfongbear - to go virtual
 *lăfoan - to phone
+==Religions==
+* Tswcynism
+* [[Verse:Tricin/Hylnehbyþin|Hylnehbyþin]] (in its early stages; pretty much LW rationalism and Effective Altruism), "liturgical language" is English rather than Eevo as in Canon Tricin
+*Buddhism (mainly Netagin and some Windermere speakers; primarily in Bjeheond, Talma and Etalocin)
+**''Imwang'eth Ăfur Smech''
+*Judaism
+**Orthodox
+**Conservative
+**Reform
+**Reconstructionist
+*Talmic paganism
+*Mărotłism
+*Ñeðraism
+* Snielism
+*Christianity
+** Remonitionist (Multiversalist Church of Cualand)
+**Trician Catholic Church (Tar Ăcles Yălămtsor mi Sngeaf), common among Irish-Tricians; however many Irish-Tricians are not Catholic
+***Trician saints?
+*Syncretic mixes
+**Hivantish Reformed Church - various levels of syncretism with Hivantish paganism; not exclusively Hivantish in Cualand
+**Snielo-Buddhism (mystical side of Trician Buddhism; uses Mărotłist terminology)
+**Snielo-Kabbalah
+**Niemneab (a neo-animist/Druidic movement with Snielist touches; intended as a "reconstruction" of a hypothetical ancient Fishomian paganism, IRL also inspired by traditional Hmong religion)
+*Jopahism (an offshoot of Snielism)
+*Oompa-Loompaism (Capetan paganism)
+*New Atheism
+==Pop culture==
+*''Keks, Alter Keks'', a misheard song