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|name= Old Ravenish  
|name= Old Ravenish  
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam2=Germanic
|fam2=Germanic
|fam3=[[Old Ravenish]]
|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]]
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Standard
|dia2=Standard
|dia3=Colloquial
|dia3=Colloquial
|script1= Latn
|script1= Latn
|ancestor= [[Old Ravenish]] (attested)
|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)
|familycolor=indo-european
|familycolor=indo-european
|cws=MCORV
|cws=MCORV
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}}


'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn&#93;]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
Make note that this is an old, outdated, and no longer updated version of Old Ravenish, for the current version see [[Old Ravenish]]


While its vocabulary derives for the most part from [[w:Proto-Germanic|Proto-Germanic]], Finnish influence is most notable in its phonology and its grammar.
'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:</small>[[w:ipq chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon]]) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]].  


==Introduction==
==Introduction==
Goals
===Goals===
* Fun
* Fun
* Learn more Germanic
* Learn more Germanic
Setting
* Learn more Finnish
===Setting===
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
Inspiration
===Inspiration===
* Finnish
* Finnish
* Proto-Germanic
* Proto-Germanic
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|+ Standard/colloquial personal pronouns
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukëraz}} || {{term|mukiz}}
| {{term|ik}} || {{term|mik}}
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkëraz}} || {{term|unkiz}}
| {{term|wit}} || {{term|unk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsëraz}} || {{term|unsiz}}
| {{term|wiz}} || {{term|uns}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukëraz}} || {{term|þukiz}}
| {{term|þuu}} || {{term|þik}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwëraz}} || {{term|unkwiz}}
| {{term|jut}} || {{term|ïnkw}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwëraz}} || {{term|uzwiz}}
| {{term|juuz}} || {{term|izwiz}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|es}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymmäi}}
| {{term|iz}} || {{term|ïnon}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|sïï}} || {{term|suu}}
| {{term|sii}} || {{term|ijon}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ït}} || {{term|ut}}
| {{term|it}} || {{term|it}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
| {{term|ïïz}} || {{term|uuz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ezöön}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymäz}}
| {{term|iiz}} || {{term|ïnz}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|ïjääz}} || {{term|ujaaz}}
| {{term|ijaaz}} || {{term|ijaz}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ïjö}} || {{term|ujo}}
| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijo}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëëraz}} || {{term|sëiz}}
| {{term|se}} || {{term|sik}}
|-
|-
|}
|}


The standard form taught to foreigners, understood by everyone, like MSA where almost no natives actually speak it.
Genitive is regularized to the suffix '-eräz'/'-ëraz', Dative is lost
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Colloquial personal pronouns
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukërar}} || {{term|mukir}}
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkërar}} || {{term|unkir}}
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsërar}} || {{term|unsir}}
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukërar}} || {{term|þukir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwërar}} || {{term|unkwir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwërar}} || {{term|uzwir}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || {{term|uzërar}} || {{term|uzir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïïr}} || {{term|uur}} || {{term|uuzërar}} || {{term|uuzir}}
|-
! colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëërar}} || {{term|sëir}}
|-
|}
 
The day-to-day form, an interesting forced change happens here, where the original instrumental endings become particles, 'ö' for singular and 'iz' for plural. The dual forms are becoming quite rare, to the point they're not taught till considerably later than everything else.


===Nouns===
===Nouns===
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