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The '''Talmic languages''' (/ˈtɑːlmɪk/ ''TAHL-mik'') are a subfamily of the [[Quame languages]], originally spoken chiefly in the [[Bitaleta]] region in the planet of [[Verse:Tricin|Tricin]].


'''Proto-Talmic''' is a descendant of [[Proto-Quihum]] and the last common ancestor of all [[Talmic languages]] (including [[Thensarian]], [[Eevo]], [[Nurian]], [[Roshterian]], ...). It was a fusional, head-initial language with a number system consisting of singulative, collective and plurative numbers.
* PET
==Numbers==
** Talmic
#''*kʷēmom'' (Thensarian ''cēmom'' is an anomaly; ''*cīmom'' would be expected)
*** [[Tigol]]
#''*tiθōr''
**** [[Eevo]]
#''*nasgis''
**** [[Anbirese]]
#''*ðaubis''
**** Ciètian
#''*soliθis''
 
#''*stāmom''
== Syntax ==
#''*roudis''
Although all present-day Talmic languages are rigidly head-initial, like Irish, Welsh and Southeast Asian languages, Proto-Talmic was much less so; we know this because different constructions and function words (such as prepositions and verbal morphology) fossilized in each Talmic subbranch.
#''*loredis''
 
#''*φarwis''
== Morphology ==
#''*ħijōris''
Pre-Tigol should keep the most inflections out of the Quame branches, so it was the worst language to Old Irishify
#???
 
#''*kʷnaisā''
Proto-Talmic also had no inclusive vs exclusive we distinction; Tigolic and Qazhric gained the distinction under the influence of Lakovic.
 
==History of Talmic studies==
===History of the term===
The Talmic family was referred to as the "''Kwēm'' languages" (Scellan: ''brits Cłeem'') in earlier Talman works, after the Thensarian word ''cēm'' for "one" inherited in all known Talmic languages at the time. Since contact with other Quihum languages such as [[Naquian]], the term Quame is used for the family that includes Talmic and Naquian.


==Todo==
==Todo==
*''-nəm'' = patientive?
*''-nəm'' = patientive
*''skwidu-s'' = gather-INF (from Adetsib ''skwidus'')
*''sθan-'' = gather
*''stan-'' = gather
**''sθannəm'' = gathering
**''stannəm'' = gathering
***Skellan ''sdann'' = (''mathematics'') set
***Eevo ''sdann'' = (''mathematics'') set
**~ ''sta-'' in ''stāmom''?
**~ ''sta-'' in ''stāmom''?
*add 0 grade, lengthened grade.
*add 0 grade, lengthened grade.
**''-ssōs'' = another noun suffix
**''-ssōs'' = another noun suffix
** 0 grade often > ə-grade but Cl, Cr > Cli-, Cri-
** 0 grade often > ə-grade but Cl, Cr > Cli-, Cri-
**lengthened grades: ā ī ū > ó ī ū
**lengthened grades: ā ī ū > ó ī ū
Change 1pl.ex from m to b


==Phonology==
==Phonology==
Proto-Celtic gibberish with some added consonants and vowels
===Consonants===
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="bluetable lightbluebg" style="width: 700px; text-align:center;"
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable" style="width: 700px; text-align:center;"
|+ Proto-Talmic reconstructed consonants (Panzux)
|+ Proto-Talmic reconstructed consonants (Panzux)
|-
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! |<small>voiceless</small>
! |<small>voiceless</small>
|  
|  
|  
| *θ
| *t
| *t
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! |<small>voiced</small>
! |<small>voiced</small>
| *b
| *b
|  
| *δ
| *d
| *d
|  
|  
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! |<small>voiceless</small>
! |<small>voiceless</small>
| *ɸ
| *ɸ
| *θ
|  
| *s
| *s
|  
|  
| [x]
|  
|  
|  
| [χ]
|
|  
|  
| *h
| *h
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! |<small>voiced</small>
! |<small>voiced</small>
|  
|  
| *δ
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  
|rowspan="2"| *ʁ
|
|rowspan="2"| *ʁʷ
|rowspan="2"| *γ
|rowspan="2"| *γʷ
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The Talman dialects, which eventually became Tigol and Qazhrian, merged alveolar stops into dental stops and completely lost *φ, but Nurian and Roshterian keep the sounds distinct to this day under Idavic influence.


===Vowels===
===Vowels===
a e i o u ə ā ē ī ō ū
a e i o u ā ē ī ō ū


Diphthongs:  
Diphthongs:  


ai ei oi ui aw ew iw ow
ai ei oi ui au eu iu ou
 
====Thensarian reflexes====
*''a e i o u ə'' > ''a e i o u y''
*''ō'' > ''ū'' in word-final syllables; ''ā'' elsewhere (gives too much ''aw'' in Eevo?)
*''ou'' > ''ō''
*''ē'' > ''ī''
*''ei'' > ''ē''
*''oi'' > ''ȳ''
*''ui'' > ''ui''
*''ew'' > ''iō''
*''iw'' > ''iū''
*''ai, au'' > ''ae, ao''
 
==Morphology==
Proto-Talmic had an ablaut system much like that of Indo-European.
===Nouns===
 
====Masculine nouns====
(Just one paradigm)
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''ɮoirom'' 'bird'
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
!  style="width: 100px;" | Plurative
|-
! Absolute
| ''ɮoirom'' || ''ɮeɮoirom'' || ''ɮoirīs''
|-
! Construct
| ''ɮoirai'' || ''ɮeɮoirai'' || ''ɮoirinnə''
|}
 
 
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg " style=" text-align: center;"
|-
!colspan="3" |Possessed forms of ''ɮoirom'' - 'bird'
|-
!style="width: 100px;"|Number→<br/>State↓
!style="width: 100px;"|Singulative
!style="width: 100px;"|Plurative
|-
!|Construct
|''ɮoirot''||''ɮoirinnət''
|-
!|1sg possessor
|''ɮoiron''||''ɮoirinnən''
|-
!|2sg.m possessor
|''ɮoirossi''||''ɮoirinnəssi''
|-
!|2sg.f possessor
|''ɮoirossiu''||''ɮoirinnəssiu''
|-
!|3sg.m possessor
|''ɮoirotiu''||''ɮoirinniu''
|-
!|3sg.f possessor
|''ɮoirotī''||''ɮoirinnī''
|-
!|3sg.n possessor
|''ɮoirota''||''ɮoirinna''
|-
!|1exc possessor
|''ɮoirosmə''||''ɮoirinnəsmə''
|-
!|1inc possessor
|''ɮoiroswi''||''ɮoirinnəswi''
|-
!|2pl possessor
|''ɮoiroka''||''ɮoirinnəka''
|-
!|3pl possessor
|''ɮoirotōr''||''ɮoirinnətōr''
|}
 
====Feminine nouns====
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''gʷondā'' 'body'
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
!  style="width: 100px;" | Plurative
|-
! Absolute
| ''gʷondā'' || ''gegʷondā'' || ''gʷondār''
|-
! Construct
| ''gʷondāt'' || ''gegʷondām'' || ''gʷondās''
|}
 
 
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg " style=" text-align: center;"
|-
!colspan="3" |Possessed forms of ''gʷondā'' - 'body'
|-
!style="width: 100px;"|Number→<br/>State↓
!style="width: 100px;"|Singulative
!style="width: 100px;"|Plurative
|-
!|Construct
|''gʷondat''||''gʷondāsat''
|-
!|1sg possessor
|''gʷondan''||''gʷondasan''
|-
!|2sg.m possessor
|''gʷondassi''||''gʷondasassi''
|-
!|2sg.f possessor
|''gʷondassiu''||''gʷondasassiu''
|-
!|3sg.m possessor
|''gʷondatiu''||''gʷondasiu''
|-
!|3sg.f possessor
|''gʷondatī''||''gʷondasī''
|-
!|3sg.n possessor
|''gʷondata''||''gʷondasa''
|-
!|1exc possessor
|''gʷondasmə''||''gʷondasasmə''
|-
!|1inc possessor
|''gʷondaswi''||''gʷondasaswi''
|-
!|2pl possessor
|''gʷondaka''||''gʷondaseka''
|-
!|3pl possessor
|''gʷondatōr''||''gʷondasōr''
|}
 
====Neuter nouns====
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''tektəs'' 'child'
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
!  style="width: 100px;" | Plurative
|-
! Absolute
| ''tektəs'' || ''tetektəs'' || ''tektəen''
|-
! Construct
| ''tektəes'' || ''tetektəes'' || ''tektəer''
|}
 
 
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg " style=" text-align: center;"
|-
!colspan="3" |Possessed forms of ''tektəs'' - 'child'
|-
!style="width: 100px;"|Number→<br/>State↓
!style="width: 100px;"|Singulative
!style="width: 100px;"|Plurative
|-
!|Construct
|''tektət''|| ''tektəerət''
|-
!|1sg possessor
|''tektən''|| ''tektəerən''
|-
!|2sg.m possessor
|''tektəssi''|| ''tektəerəssi''
|-
!|2sg.f possessor
|''tektəssiu''|| ''tektəerəssiu''
|-
!|3sg.m possessor
|''tektiu''|| ''tektəeriu''
|-
!|3sg.f possessor
|''tektī''|| ''tektəerī''
|-
!|3sg.n possessor
|''tektəta''|| ''tektəera''
|-
!|1exc possessor
|''tektəsmo''|| ''tektəersmo''
|-
!|1inc possessor
|''tektəswi''|| ''tektəerswi''
|-
!|2pl possessor
|''tektəka''|| ''tektəerka''
|-
!|3pl possessor
|''tektōr''|| ''tektəerōr''
|}
 
 
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''jenaqʷs'' 'water' (n.)
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
|-
! Absolute
| ''jenaqʷs'' || ''jenenaqʷs''
|-
! Construct
| ''jenaqʷes'' || ''jenenaqʷes''
|}
 
 
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''stuφs'' 'fire' (n.)
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
|-
! Absolute
| ''stuφs'' || ''stestuφs''
|-
! Construct
| ''stuφes'' || ''stestuφes''
|}
 
===Adjectives===
{{col-begin}}
{{col-break}}
Masculine:
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''mukʷtam'' 'dark'
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
!  style="width: 100px;" | Plurative
|-
! Indefinite
| ''mukʷtam'' || ''memukʷtam'' || ''mukʷtaīs''
|-
! Definite
| ''mukʷtoi'' || ''memukʷtoi'' || ''mukʷtannə''
|}
{{col-break}}
Feminine:
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''mukʷtam'' 'dark'
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
!  style="width: 100px;" | Plurative
|-
! Indefinite
| ''mukʷtā'' || ''memukʷtā'' || ''mukʷtar''
|-
! Definite
| ''mukʷtāt'' || ''memukʷtām'' || ''mukʷtās''
|}
{{col-break}}
Neuter:
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg" style=" text-align: center;"
! colspan="4" | ''mukʷtam'' 'dark'
|-
! style="width: 90px;" |
! style="width: 100px;" | Singulative
!  style="width: 100px;" | Collective
!  style="width: 100px;" | Plurative
|-
! Indefinite
| ''mukʷtas'' || ''memukʷtas'' || ''mukʷtān''
|-
! Definite
| ''mukʷtās'' || ''memukʷtās'' || ''mukʷtār''
|}
{{col-end}}
 
===Verbs===
====Object markers====
{| class="bluetable lightbluebg " style="width: 350px; text-align: center;"
|+ Object affixes
|-
!style="width: 50px; "|
!style="width: 100px; "|Singular
!style="width: 100px; "|Plural
|-
!|1
|''ni-''
|''mē-''
|-
!|1 + 2
|''-''
|''θē-''
|-
!|2
|''ti-''
|''sē-''
|-
!|3
|''bi-''
|''nē-''
|}


====TAM + subject markers====
==Derivational morphology==
Collective subjects agree with singular (subject or object) verb affixes.
===Affixes===
Some derivational affixes are:
*''-nam'' (n.) = patient suffix
*''-ā-'' = verbalizer (from ''*-əx̌-''; just for the Proto-Celtic gibbiness)
**What if ''*-əx̌-'' meant something else in PQuih?
**Roshterian ''-ia-/-i-'' - fossilized suffix in many verbs
*''-ākos'' (n.) = verbal noun (from ''*-əx̌-'' verbalizer + ''*-kas'' = older VN suffix)
**Roshterian ''-iac''
*''-akt(V)-'' = adjectivizer
**Roshterian ''-ait''


Root ablaut occurs in some stems in verbs and derived nouns. Ablauting verbs follow one of the patterns below (modulo compensatory lengthening); the present stem is in what is called the "''a''-grade" in Quihum linguistics, and the preterite stem has the "''i''-grade".
*present stem ''a'' - preterite stem ''e'' - VN ''a''
*present stem ''ā'' - preterite stem ''ē'' - VN ''a''
*present stem ''o'' - preterite stem ''i'' - VN ''ə''
*present stem ''ō'' - preterite stem ''ī''
*present stem ''ō'' - preterite stem ''ē''
*present stem ''oi'' - preterite stem ''ei''
*present stem ''ou'' - preterite stem ''iu''
*present stem ''au'' - preterite stem ''eu''
{{col-begin}}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
|+ Progressive
|-
! Person  !! ''ʁaisman'' "I swim"<br/>(vowel stem) || ''kaφsən'' "I eat"<br/>(ablaut stem)
|-
| 1SG || *ʁaisman || *kaφsən
|-
| 2SG || *ʁaismar  || *kaφsər
|-
| 3SG.M || *ʁaismam || *kaφsəm
|-
| 3SG.F || *ʁaismasim || *kaφsəsim
|-
| 3SG.N || *ʁaisma || *kaφs
|-
| 1EX || *ʁaismamē || *kaφsmē
|-
| 1IN || *ʁaismant || *kaφsənt
|-
| 2PL || *ʁaismaskʷe || *kaφsəskʷe
|-
| 3PL || *ʁaismat || *kaφsət
|}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
|+ Habitual
|-
! Person  !! ''ʁaisman'' "I swim"<br/>(vowel stem) || ''kaφsən'' "I eat"<br/>(ablaut stem)
|-
| 1SG || *ʁeʁaisman || *kekaφsən
|-
| 2SG || *ʁeʁaismar  || *kekaφsər
|-
| 3SG.M || *ʁeʁaismam || *kekaφsəm
|-
| 3SG.F || *ʁeʁaismasim || *kekaφsəsim
|-
| 3SG.N || *ʁeʁaisma || *kekaφs
|-
| 1EX || *ʁeʁaismamē || *kekaφsmē
|-
| 1IN || *ʁeʁaismant || *kekaφsənt
|-
| 2PL || *ʁeʁaismaskʷe || *kekaφsəskʷe
|-
| 3PL || *ʁeʁaismat || *kekaφsət
|}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
|+ Preterite
|-
! Person  !! ''ʁaisman'' "I swim"<br/>(vowel stem) || ''kaφsən'' "I eat"<br/>(ablaut stem)
|-
| 1SG || *ʁaismannem || *keφsənnem
|-
| 2SG || *ʁaismarəg  || *keφsrəg
|-
| 3SG.M || *ʁaismasəm || *keφsəsəm
|-
| 3SG.F || *ʁaismast || *keφsəst
|-
| 3SG.N || *ʁaismaso || *keφso
|-
| 1EX || *ʁaismamer || *keφsəmer
|-
| 1IN || *ʁaismanter || *keφsənter
|-
| 2PL || *ʁaismaskʷer || *keφsəskʷer
|-
| 3PL || *ʁaismater || *keφsəter
|}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
|+ Subjunctive
|-
! Person  !! ''ʁaisman'' "I swim"<br/>(vowel stem) || ''kaφsən'' "I eat"<br/>(ablaut stem)
|-
| 1SG || *ʁaismanai || *kaφsnai
|-
| 2SG || *ʁaismarai || *kaφsrai
|-
| 3SG.M || *ʁaismamewr || *kaφsmewr
|-
| 3SG.F || *ʁaismasewr || *kaφsəsewr
|-
| 3SG.N || *ʁaismawr || *kaφsewr
|-
| 1EX || *ʁaismamai || *kaφsmai
|-
| 1IN || *ʁaismantai || *kaφsəntai
|-
| 2PL || *ʁaismaskʷai || *kaφsəskʷai
|-
| 3PL || *kaismatewr || *kaφsətewr
|}
{{col-break}}
{| class="bluetable"
|+Imperative
|-
! Person  !! ''ʁaisman'' "I swim"<br/>(vowel-stem) !! ''kaφsən'' "I eat"<br/>(ablaut stem)
|-
| 2SG || *ʁaismā! || *kaφsə!
|-
| 1IN || *ʁaismantē! || *kaφsəntē!
|-
| 2PL || *ʁaismaskʷē! || *kaφsəskʷē!
|}
{{col-end}}
===Derivational morphology===
====Ablaut patterns====
====Ablaut patterns====


==Syntax==
==Syntax==
The emphatic particle {{recon|''-is''}} was commonly suffixed to the verb, as seen directly in Thensarian and the fact that Rostherian kept most verb affixes intact.
The emphatic particle {{recon|''-is''}} was commonly suffixed to the verb.
== Gibberish ==
φīxs kʷēmos φaro δlanγeweti δe srībou γʷnāmesor δe φīna qrādomāxtim. γonyanθis wli nayesi, smā-deuφrimor briqennās bakū kardasweis wli φasminō. Sθām lugyeθais wli bosqōr kʷisδalābis, kas φaxθīm φar woltāyessis-do, bar Bouγʷātlom wli qaswīqis. Nai brāyos δe nenmōrus skʷedoxtānis! φirwōd φēs-naxθitor qetibāti meudyūs! Φosnīdyōr daγʷāi δe nosθenqʷētās qʷlāwītor.
 


==Lexicon==
[[Category:Tricin]][[Category:Talmic languages|*]]
[[Category:Hussmauch]][[Category:Talmic languages|*]]

Latest revision as of 00:46, 9 August 2022

Eta-Talmic/Lexicon
Eta-Talmic/Swadesh list

The Talmic languages (/ˈtɑːlmɪk/ TAHL-mik) are a subfamily of the Quame languages, originally spoken chiefly in the Bitaleta region in the planet of Tricin.

Syntax

Although all present-day Talmic languages are rigidly head-initial, like Irish, Welsh and Southeast Asian languages, Proto-Talmic was much less so; we know this because different constructions and function words (such as prepositions and verbal morphology) fossilized in each Talmic subbranch.

Morphology

Pre-Tigol should keep the most inflections out of the Quame branches, so it was the worst language to Old Irishify

Proto-Talmic also had no inclusive vs exclusive we distinction; Tigolic and Qazhric gained the distinction under the influence of Lakovic.

History of Talmic studies

History of the term

The Talmic family was referred to as the "Kwēm languages" (Scellan: brits Cłeem) in earlier Talman works, after the Thensarian word cēm for "one" inherited in all known Talmic languages at the time. Since contact with other Quihum languages such as Naquian, the term Quame is used for the family that includes Talmic and Naquian.

Todo

  • -nəm = patientive
  • sθan- = gather
    • sθannəm = gathering
      • Skellan sdann = (mathematics) set
    • ~ sta- in stāmom?
  • add 0 grade, lengthened grade.
    • -ssōs = another noun suffix
    • 0 grade often > ə-grade but Cl, Cr > Cli-, Cri-
    • lengthened grades: ā ī ū > ó ī ū

Change 1pl.ex from m to b

Phonology

Proto-Celtic gibberish with some added consonants and vowels

Consonants

Proto-Talmic reconstructed consonants (Panzux)
Labial Dental Alveolar Palatal Velar Labiovelar Uvular Labiouvular Glottal
Nasal *m *n
Plosive voiceless *θ *t *k *kʷ *q *qʷ
voiced *b *δ *d *g *gʷ
Fricative voiceless *ɸ *s [x] [χ] *h
voiced *γ *γʷ
Resonant *l *r *y *w

The Talman dialects, which eventually became Tigol and Qazhrian, merged alveolar stops into dental stops and completely lost *φ, but Nurian and Roshterian keep the sounds distinct to this day under Idavic influence.

Vowels

a e i o u ā ē ī ō ū

Diphthongs:

ai ei oi ui au eu iu ou

Derivational morphology

Affixes

Some derivational affixes are:

  • -nam (n.) = patient suffix
  • -ā- = verbalizer (from *-əx̌-; just for the Proto-Celtic gibbiness)
    • What if *-əx̌- meant something else in PQuih?
    • Roshterian -ia-/-i- - fossilized suffix in many verbs
  • -ākos (n.) = verbal noun (from *-əx̌- verbalizer + *-kas = older VN suffix)
    • Roshterian -iac
  • -akt(V)- = adjectivizer
    • Roshterian -ait

Ablaut patterns

Syntax

The emphatic particle *-is was commonly suffixed to the verb.

Gibberish

φīxs kʷēmos φaro δlanγeweti δe srībou γʷnāmesor δe φīna qrādomāxtim. γonyanθis wli nayesi, smā-deuφrimor briqennās bakū kardasweis wli φasminō. Sθām lugyeθais wli bosqōr kʷisδalābis, kas φaxθīm φar woltāyessis-do, bar Bouγʷātlom wli qaswīqis. Nai brāyos δe nenmōrus skʷedoxtānis! φirwōd φēs-naxθitor qetibāti meudyūs! Φosnīdyōr daγʷāi δe nosθenqʷētās qʷlāwītor.

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