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Some nouns, like proper nouns, family terms and body parts, shouldn't have classifiers
Some nouns, like proper nouns, family terms and body parts, shouldn't have classifiers


=== PI classifiers ===
=== Classifiers ===
Todo: suppletive plural forms
Todo: suppletive plural forms


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* nawil, pl. ike: generic things
* nawil, pl. ike: generic things
* pelke: things (pejorative)
** PEK ''=nuć'', pl. ''=iç''
* pelke, pl. omut: things (pejorative)
** PEK ''=pće'', pl. ''=mut''
* soŋi, pl. oru: humans
* soŋi, pl. oru: humans
** -> PEK ''-hoi'', pl. ''-(y)au''
** PEK ''=hoi'', pl. ''=(y)au''
* k'ube, pl. poap: humans (pejorative)
* k'ube, pl. poap: humans (pejorative)
** PEK ''=qwe'', pl. ''=poyap''
* wipi: animals
* wipi: animals
** PEK ''=upi''
* mogu: humans, animals (pejorative)
* mogu: humans, animals (pejorative)
** PEK ''=moyu''
* p'asur: humans, animals (pejorative)
* p'asur: humans, animals (pejorative)
** PEK ''=mˁahu:''
* mosat: flat sheets
* mosat: flat sheets
** PEK ''=mohat''
* omko (lit. flake): flat sheets (pejorative)
* omko (lit. flake): flat sheets (pejorative)
** PEK ''=əmço''
* otkeŋu: flat sheets (pejorative)
* otkeŋu: flat sheets (pejorative)
** PEK ''=otçeu''
* keron: trees and bushes; streams, rivers
* keron: trees and bushes; streams, rivers
** PEK ''=çeoñ''
* yuŋos: herbaceous plants
* yuŋos: herbaceous plants
* eyepki: any plant (pejorative)
* eyepki: any plant (pejorative)

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Diachronics

Consonants

  • p' -> PEK mˁ
  • t' -> PEK tˁ
  • k' -> PEK q
  • PIr l -> PEK ć
  • PIr y/g/hiatus breaker -> PEK y
  • PIr k -> PEK ç
  • PIr ng, r -> lengthens preceding vowel if before C, PEK 0 otherwise
  • PIr s -> PEK χ
  • PIr b/w -> PEK β
  • PIr d -> ð (r in retroflexing environments)
  • final nasal -> ŋ
  • Non-final nasals stay put (n in PIr /rVn/ retroflexes)
  • p, t stay put (t in PIr /rVt/ retroflexes)

Vowels

PIr ă -> ə

urV, orV, arV -> orV, arV, erV -> oV aV eV

ira iro iru -> iwa iwo iwu

Same-vowel weakening rule: e.g. PI sumur is treated as if it were sămur

Family tree

Phonology

Proto-Erno-Kawenic is characterized by unusual sound changes from Proto-Irenesian.

Consonants

Labial Denti-alveolar Retroflex Palatal Uvular
plain pharyngealized
Nasal m n ɳ
Stop p t ʈ q
Fricative ʂ ç χ
Continuant β ð r j

Vowels

Short i e a o u ə

Long i: e: a: o: u:

Nasal į ę ą ǫ ų

Coloring effects

Grammar

I have to have a solid idea of how nouns work in PEK; I'm probably gonna cliticize classifiers after nouns

So the classifier is almost a suffix, maybe fully a suffix by PEK

That may affect the Ernish I have now, which I'm willing to accept. In that case Ernish should probably choose one form, probably the PEK genitive plural for most nouns.

Ensuring that Quququqquq genitives always end in a vowel is easy

Genitive should be -some vowel + (ng) in PI

Some nouns, like proper nouns, family terms and body parts, shouldn't have classifiers

Classifiers

Todo: suppletive plural forms

Todo: pejorative classifiers

  • nawil, pl. ike: generic things
    • PEK =nuć, pl. =iç
  • pelke, pl. omut: things (pejorative)
    • PEK =pće, pl. =mut
  • soŋi, pl. oru: humans
    • PEK =hoi, pl. =(y)au
  • k'ube, pl. poap: humans (pejorative)
    • PEK =qwe, pl. =poyap
  • wipi: animals
    • PEK =upi
  • mogu: humans, animals (pejorative)
    • PEK =moyu
  • p'asur: humans, animals (pejorative)
    • PEK =mˁahu:
  • mosat: flat sheets
    • PEK =mohat
  • omko (lit. flake): flat sheets (pejorative)
    • PEK =əmço
  • otkeŋu: flat sheets (pejorative)
    • PEK =otçeu
  • keron: trees and bushes; streams, rivers
    • PEK =çeoñ
  • yuŋos: herbaceous plants
  • eyepki: any plant (pejorative)
  • bawăd: flowers, bunches of fruit
  • aŋk'ă: long thin rigid objects, paths, ways things are done (e.g. languages)
  • wasik: long thin flexible objects
  • uop: fruits, roughly spherical things
  • tul: circles, rings
  • ŋes: buildings
  • p'odal: vehicles
  • sawup: man-made things (pejorative)
  • lăep: marks, like written characters, wounds, ...
  • rukir: places
  • ŋuta: events; verbal nouns tend to take this classifier
    • PEK -uta infinitive

Sandbox

PI urim 'rose apple' (bare) -> PEK oiŋ 'apple (is-a form); Apple (name form)' -> Ernish oi 'ibid.'

PI urim uop -> PEK oiŋ=uyop 'the apple' -> Ernish oinguzop 'apple (singular)'

PI **urim bawăd -> PEK oiŋ bawəd -> oimbaud 'apples (plural)'

PI tiroŋ 'head' -> PEK tiwo: -> Ernish tiwo (body parts don't take classifiers)