Swyr/Swadesh list
- Not to be confused with Schwünter.
fa:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, sjə̤jl, tʰwəm, fwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
coda -l deleted
fa:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨw, sjə̤j, tʰwəm, fwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
-wC, -jC simplify to -C
fa:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨw, sjə̤j, tʰwəm, fwɨt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
f- > h-
ha:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨw, sjə̤j, tʰwəm, hwɨt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
yes
vowel shift?
yes
monophthongization!
ha:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mu:, sje: (breathy), tʰwəm, hwɨt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
at least 4 is not mul smile emoticon
i can't bother tracking vowel length in korean
it's not phonemic for me
well you told me it is a few days ago grin emoticon
it isn't phonemic for many, many people
so vowel length just disappears
could it cause a tone split?
as in Cuatham, but a different one
let's make the long vowels high or rising tones
so high, mid, low and rising
low could be falling
low < breathy
as in cuatham
high, mid, falling, rising
yes
mid could be slightly mid falling
falling = high falling
so it's like upside down Mandarin
or maybe not
vowel length should just disappear
ham, djə̤-S, njək, mu, sje̤, tʰwəm, hwɨt, ljə̤t, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
t->ɭ
yes
l- > ɾ-
yes
ham, djə̤-S, njək, mu, sje̤, tʰwəm, hwɨɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
wɨ?
is that a korean diphthong?
that should become something else
as it's not a korean diphthong
a
or wa
grin emoticon
what about wɨ > ə or wə?
wɨ -> we
휄
nope
e + any final doesn't sound sino-korean
wɨ > o?
홃
ham, djə̤-S, njək, mu, sje̤, tʰwəm, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
no, that's 7
8 should be 렯
final ㅂ = breathy tone?
it could be one way
that wouldn't work tho
for open syllables
some more initial simplification
it's normally h but 렯 for 8 is an exception
hahaha
I see what you did there
여덟
tj-, !j-, sj > tɕ-, |-, s-
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰwəm, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
kjə doesn't looks sino-korean
kje? ki? ka?
껴
what about khjə?
nââââeeeuw
why?
idea: schnueher could be the sino-korean jokelang
that has all the missing syllables that should be there
켜다 • (kyeoda) (infinitive 켜어, sequential 켜니)
(…을) To light an oil lamp or candle; strike a match or lighter [quotations ▼]
(…을) To turn something on [quotations ▼]
but it's not sino
that's why
yeo, nyeo, ryeo, jeo, cheo are sino
not byeo or gyeo
maybe I should palatalize kj
nope
i need things like gye
and gyo (as in hakgyo 'school')
that's not schnueher tongue emoticon
what about
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰwəm, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
yes
tʰwəm doesn't sound sino-korean either
what do you mean 퉘
thəm?
what about wə > wa first
thwam
then what about 권 as in 태권도
but under that assumption
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰwam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
use quell
syllables that are -wol, -won in sino-korean are things like -jwet, -jwen in middle chinese
anyway
then wa > a after labials and coronals
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
isn't it a giblang so you can use nonexistent syllables?
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, gə-S
함, 저, 녁, 무, 세, 탐, 홀, 렬, 볍 (not in sino-korean), 거
Phonology
Inspired by Sino-Korean (rimes) and Irish (initials).
Initials
| Labial | Alveolar | Coarticulated | Velar | Uvular | Glottal | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nasal | voiceless | sm, bpr /m̊/ | sn, dtr /n̊/ | đŧr /ŋ̊!/ | gcr /ŋ̊/ | ||
| voiced | m, mb /m/ | n, nd /n/ | nđ /ŋ!/ | ng /ŋ/ | |||
| Stop | tenuis | p /p/ | t /t/ | ŧ /ǃ/ | c /k/ | Ø, fh /ʔ/ | |
| aspirated | pr, hp /pʰ/ | tr, ht /tʰ/ | ŧr, hŧ /ǃʰ/ | cr, hc /kʰ/ | |||
| voiced | b, bp /b/ | d, dt /d/ | đ, đŧ /ɡǃ/ | g, gc /ɡ/ | |||
| Fricative | aspirated | f, ph /f/ | s /s/ | sc, ŧh /ɧ/ | ch /x/ | h, th, sh /h/ | |
| voiced | bh, bhf, mh /v~w/ | ns /z/ | nsc, đh /ɧ̬/ | dh, gh /ɣ/ | |||
| Liquid | voiceless | sl /l̥~ɾ̊/ | sr /ʀ̊/ | ||||
| voiced | l /l~ɾ/ | r /ʀ/ | |||||
Rimes
Lifted from Sino-Korean; spelled like Revised Romanization.
Grammar
Nouns
Nouns inflect for two cases, nominative and genitive. The genitive derives from the Ancient Wiebian dative.
Definite article an
| Number | Singular | Plural | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gender | Masculine | Feminine | Masculine | Feminine |
| Nominative | an | an-L | na-N | na-L |
| Genitive | an-H | na-L | na-H | na-N |
| Number | Singular | Plural | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gender | Masculine | Feminine | Masculine | Feminine |
| Nominative | an píl an éup |
an sám an yèon |
na bpíl na n-éop |
na shám na yèon |
| Genitive | an hpìl an h-èup |
na shám na yèon |
na hpíl na h-éop |
na nsám na n-yèon |