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 '''Ferlitian''' is a [[Lakovic]] language.
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+a -> ã -> a + nasalization of the following consonant
+ten is "tam"
+😍1
+what should happen to r?
+OMG
+I got the perfect idea
+English style "r colored vowels"
+but
+with trills
+ùrat -> /r̩ran/
+😆1
+some accents of Wiebian can have a "floor of the mouth tap" for ɭ
+or some registers/idiolects/...
+should end with an n
+by analogy with 1 and 2
+well...
+I could use some swedishy sound changes
+sje for example should be a thing
+and ʈ should come from other sources
+there should be some front rounded vowels as well
+and possibly prenasalized consonants?
+d > ð > slit fric > sje?
+instead of L?
+maybe initial d -> sj
+and medial d -> L
+"tjukk l" essentially
+tsiw -> tji:
+with the viby-i 😀
+because it's wiebian
+basically, a syllabic palatalized dental fricative
+actually i'd keep 2 as uran
+Trây may use these vowel changes in open syllables:
+i > ai, ai > ê
+u > au, au > ô
+alon, uran, tjî, ntsak, myt, sjang, avårt, tliev, plö, tam
+😍1
+ie is /iə/
+rt is /ʈ/
+î is viby-i
+can become ntliev by analogy with 4
+actually i can switch 2 back to urat
+simply because of
+interference from 3
+alon, urat, tjî, ntsak, myt, sjang...
+and similarly with 5 and 6
+though the usual reflex of c is t
+alon, urat, tjî, ntsak, mysj, sjang, avårt, ntliep, plö, tam
+again with 8 getting the initial consonant of 9
+ferlitian should be some lakovic language
+what should it look like?
+in etalocin?
+something more strictly CV than Amharic?
+yeah
+the -am suffix could be the default plural
+or there can be a gender split of sorts
+with feminine nouns pluralizing in -s
+(!)
+and masculine ones in -am
+and of course gender would be lost after that because of contact with hlou shum
+(that's in wiebian)
+how do you like that
+wiebian is as un-german as it can get
+yeah wiebian should lose gender
+but ferlitian perhaps not
+yeah
+could ferlitian sound a little bantu
+ferlitian might use a phonology similar to what i had for yacavestub
+like some hybrid of bantu and croatian
+m n ŋ p t k b d g f s ts h v z l r j
+i e ə a o u
+it would be the new rozzino
+:D
+if windermere is netagin
+ferlition might even be a little head-final?
+ferlitian*
+adoni, raći, civi, maseči, mući etc.
+final -i may be devoiced
+especially after voiceless consonants
+yeah
+č could be like polish cz
+there might be cases and such
+it's like "uncanny valley feynman italian"!
+😍1
+tho it maybe shouldn't be CW
+there can be more geminates
+😍1
+mućći
+pronounced as preaspirated consonants? 😀
+(i love those)
+muhći
+adoňňi, raći, civi, masehči, muhći, ...
+d between vowels is ð
+or could d always be ð? 😀
+civi sounds almost like /tsivç/
+masehči is like /masɛhtʃʲ/
+should it have no voicing?
+a can be /ɔ/-ish
+while o becomes ø and ü stays as y?
+at least non initially
+maybe
+though
+voicing is an etalocian feature
+it could be that ferlitian just happens not to have it
+yeah
+Grammar: SVO with cases? like Estonian
+yeah
+Me aRRUcha LAMpe etta TIche -> /mi ɔ'r̥uʈʂɔ lɔmpʲç eʰtɔ ti:tʃʲç/
+this is like another nurian
+quasi-italian with weird pronunciation
+yeah
+that shouldn't be an accent of dodellian though
+one accent of dodellian can have somewhat retroflexed l
+(and could the same be true of clofabosin? 😀 )
+efenol "of the path" -> [e̞fe̞no̞ɭ]
+that can be common in dodellia like philly l is in talma
+ferlitian may not have that though
+but
+one dodellic language could turn ll into ɖɖ!
+chaɖɖo
+😍1
+adoňňimi < adoňňi-mi = together
+i imagine that consonants before i are palatalized by default
+as in japanese
+the vowels of ferlitian would be
+ɛ ɔ i u ø y
+too weird?
+could standard clofab have uvular R?
+so it would sound like it's spoken in an israeli accent
+and could things like -vir sound like german r colored vowels?
+maybe not
+àplon -> /ɔʰtɬønə/?
+final vowels could be added
+yeah
+i think telugu did that
+kannada too
+*nīr "water" -> nīru
+and italian
+sunt -> sono
+yeah
+in water = ahtlönemi
+should there be final nasal vowels as in portuguese?
+ahtlönim
+waters
+*evra intensifies*
+/ɔʰ'tɬønĩ/
+or could that get ng instead
+ahtlöning
+-ng is good
+in waters = ahtlöningmi
+with waters = ahtlöniňňa
+there's that -ñña 😀
+sounds like amarəñña
+it needs an accusative
+how about -ye?
+ahtlöneye, ahtlöniňňe
+yeah
+there are basically no consonant clusters in ferlitian
+i could do the french trick
+initial ks- -> sk- (as in windermere) -> ek-
+stress is on the last syllable of the root
+so case endings are unstressed
+ksìʔ > ekii 'star'
+or ekihi?
+ekiyye maybe
+/ɛkij:ə/
+final ə may be syncoped
+in the accusative it's ekiyyeye /ɛkij:e:/
+yeah
+śkey could become uk-
+ukeyye
+or should i use holtzmann's law as in gothic and norse?
+ukegge
+/ukɛʥ:i̤/
+we might get accidental n-words
+they could just flal out of use
+that's a problem...
+yy could be pronounced /ʥ:/
+yeah
+or i could write it đđ
+yeah
+gg anyway isn't consistent with croatian orthography
+looks sami almost
+yeah
+there are some uralic touches
+which is expected
+ukeđđe
+ukeđđing 😀
+looks like "u kidding"
+maybe i should spell it -im but pronounce it -iŋ
+or use hmooby orthography
+-ng isn't really logical in non-IE languages
+so i shouldn't be using it in windermere 😀
+ukeđđiŋ looks even more sami so i should probably just use that
+geminate voiced stops may actually be voiceless 😀
+since voiceless stops get preaspirated
+this is like "rozzino read like icelandic"
+ferlitia would be some kind of autonomous region in dodellia
+would they have clofabosin loans?
+this is like the new ksieħ
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 ==Phonology==
 m n ŋ p t k b d g f s ts h v z l r j {{angbr|''m n ŋ p t c b d g f s ts h v z l r y''}}

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