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(Idea is Praimhín's.) A Tricin-Irta crossover. Contrary to its name, it's not meant to be totally unrealistic.
'''Crackfic Tricin''' is a Tricin-Irta crossover created by [[User:Praimhín|Praimhín]] and [[User:IlL|Inthar]]. Contrary to its name, it's not meant to be totally unrealistic.
* it assumes travel between [[Verse:Irta]] and a Crackfic version of [[Verse:Tricin]] is possible
* it assumes travel between [[Verse:Irta]] and a Crackfic version of [[Verse:Tricin]] is possible. Tricin got an influx of Irtan immigrants after the religious turmoil in Europe in Irta's 18th century (the majority of Irtan immigration, though there have been Irta immigrants to Tricin before), and brought along their tech which was more advanced than Tricin at the time (right after the Jeodganite Revolution). This explains why English is dominant in CF Tricin.
* we assumed that Tricin has other languages that don't exist in Canon Tricin, such as [[Hlou]], Camalic and Wiebisch. Some canon Tricin languages such as Nurian don't exist.
* The Bjeheondian sprachbund is more like our Central European one.
* in Crackfic Tricin, Quame and Lakovic aren't as dominant as they are in canon Tricin; Idavic languages such as Netagin languages and Ouřefr are dominant in Southern Talma, Txapoalli and Onishia as well, as well as parts of Cualuav ("Cualand") as in canon Tricin.
* Hetomic, English, Netagin, Irish, Clofabosin and Naquian are the most widely used languages in Crackfic Tricin, and Clofabosin and English are lingua francas.


==Todo==
==Todo==
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==People==
==People==
*Etsoj Jopah -> Tsăhong Starwise (/stɑɹɪz/; /staˈʁis/ in Windermere)
*Etsoj Jopah -> Tsăhong Starwise; he waxes poetic about OIr and not Tigol (/stɑɹɪz/; /staˈʁis/ in Windermere)
*Rewhd Avnin Sgutsis -> Ruth Avon Steele /ʁuð ej'von stil/ (A British-Talman)
*Rewhd Avnin Sgutsis -> Rút na hAbhann-Cruaiche, Tsarfati-Talman ethnomusicologist
*Prăfin fa Bălang -> Pda Fien (Dr. Finn)
*Prăfin fa Bălang -> Pda Fien (Dr. Finn)
*Pda Blin (Dr. Pancake)
*Pda Blin (Dr. Pancake)
*Oyffea Ni Făletbăheartec, creator of An Bhlaoighne
*Anuratha Pathmanaban /ɑnuʁɑ'd̪ɑ pɑd̪mɑnɑˈbɑn/, Indo-Bjeheondian inventor
*Anuratha Padma /ɑnuʁɑ'ðɑ pɑd'mɑ/, Bjeheondian linguist
*Hāṇatocī Vaḷdāka Sarapaṇaṭṭa - Palkhan poet
*Hāṇatocī Vaḷdāka Sarapaṇaṭṭa - Palkhan poet
* P{{cll}}dacnìje el Bejzàvìje - [[Verse:Thab Skawj]]


==Languages==
==Languages==
*Semitic, IE, Japanese - spoken by immigrants from Irta
*Semitic, IE, Japanese, Tamil etc. - spoken by immigrants from Irta
** Hyperfrench
**Bjeheondian English
**Bjeheondian English
**Onishian English
**Onishian English
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**Dodellian Persian
**Dodellian Persian
**Balang Greek
**Balang Greek
** Cualand Japanese
** Cualand Irish
**Palkhan Ǎn Yidiș
** Talman Irish
** Slavic
*** Some retroflexy Slavic language for Bjeheond or Southern Talma: smyrt 'death' > /sməT/?
*** Albionian
* [[Verse:Crackfic Irta/Camalic|Camalic]]
*Talmic
*Talmic
**Tigol
**Tigol
*** Middle Anbirese
*** Middle Anbirese
**** Judeo-Anbirese
**** Judeo-Anbirese
*** Revived Tigol
** Ancient Wiebian (''Altwiebisch''; ''alt'' ~ Eevo orđ 'big', ''Isch'' ~ Eevo ''esg'' 'voice')
** Ancient Wiebian (''Altwiebisch''; ''alt'' ~ Eevo orđ 'big', ''Isch'' ~ Eevo ''esg'' 'voice')
***a YIVO Yiddish-inspired descendant, ''mingenvibish'' or Modern Wiebian, or ''vibish tzekh an ing'' "Wiebian of the time" spoken in Wieb
***a YIVO Yiddish-inspired descendant, ''mingenvibish'' or Modern Wiebian, or ''vibish tzekh an ing'' "Wiebian of the time" spoken in Wieb
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* Lakovic
* Lakovic
** Windermere (Terg vernaculars are extinct)
** Windermere (Terg vernaculars are extinct)
*** Slavo-Windermere (''yeangsüc Nengscăy'') -- naturally evolved Windermere with lots of Slavic vocab
** Tseer (extinct today)
** Tseer (extinct today)
*Crackfic Capetan
*Crackfic Capetan
**"A Tuzzo Lanto"
**"A Tuzzo Lanto"
*Palkhan
*Palkhan
*Hlou, spoken in the Hlou Autonomous Region of Dodellia
* An Bhlaoighne (the original bhlaoighnous version)
* Humpback Welsh (a Cuam-Flei language)
* Humpback Welsh (a Cuam-Flei language)
*Idavic
**Shalaian
*Rhythiazolamide?
===Wiebian===
===Wiebian===


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Bjeheondian English is typically non-rhotic. Windermere-influenced accents realize the syllabic r as a front rounded vowel /ø/, and in unstressed position, /ə/ rather than the native Windermere /ɐ/. Final devoicing is a dialectal feature of certain Wiebian accents.
Bjeheondian English is typically non-rhotic. Windermere-influenced accents realize the syllabic r as a front rounded vowel /ø/, and in unstressed position, /ə/ rather than the native Windermere /ɐ/. Final devoicing is a dialectal feature of certain Wiebian accents.


Stress may differ in Bjeheond due to a mixture of spelling pronunciation, regularization and influences from regional dialects of Apple PIE, often tracing to Greek or Romance languages. Sometimes the Dreimorengesetz is applied synchronically -- e.g. -tion nouns are regularized as in ''attríbution''
Stress may differ in Bjeheond due to a mixture of spelling pronunciation, regularization and influences from regional dialects of Irta, often tracing to Greek or Romance languages. Sometimes the Dreimorengesetz is applied synchronically -- e.g. -tion nouns are regularized as in ''attríbution''


====Trician creole English====
====Trician creole English====
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Onishian non-creole English is entirely an offshoot of an Irta British dialect
Onishian non-creole English is entirely an offshoot of an Irta British dialect
===Cualand English===
Uninhabited before it was settled by Scellans and a few centuries later, by the English (Mavor Tswcyn should have an opinion on this)
Cualand English has three main accents: broad, general and cultivated. Broad Cualand accents have phonemic /x/ as well as lots of Eevo words, like ''eell'' /eɪx/ "love", ''nwtxáh llys'' /nuˈtʃɑxəs/ "hello", ''cain'' /kaɪn/ "food". Even Cualand itself is often referred to simply as ''a Luav''. Eevo words are mostly spelled exactly as in the original.
Words from other Trician languages may appear in Broad Cualand English, like ''Pda'' from Windermere ( ~ ''fundi'' in South African English), and ''quetty'' "cool, remarkable" from Clofabosin. (to add some Palkhan words)
Cultivated Cualand English is practically our timeline's Estuary or RP British English, and General Cualand English is somewhere in between.
=== Cualand Eevo ===
Cualand Eevo is still spoken by a majority but has a very noticeable British English-esque accent unlike in regular Tricin's Fyxoom. ''b d g'' etc. are often fully voiced. Cualand Eevo doesn't pronounce word final l's and ñ's, e.g. deljađ /deɪjəð/, serñ /sɛɹʊ/. The combinations <hb hd hg> are pronounced as though they were <llb lld llg>, e.g. ahdyn /æxtən/. Some other pronunciations:
*trovihwñ /tɹɔvɪhuː/
*beđ ry /bɛðˈɹɜː/
*Snawhaswel /snaʊhəseɪ/
Sometimes h is dropped in Cualand Eevo, as in Modern Hebrew, so Snawhasewl is pronounced /snaʊəseɪ/ and the Windermere prefix hyl- is simply pronounced /ʊ/.
====Judeo-Eevo====
Hebrew-speaking parts of Cualand have a unique accent of Eevo displaying both Hebrew (+ other Crackfic Trician Jewish languages) phonetic and lexical influence and developments internal to Eevo.
*"segolates" get epenthesized with ɛ instead of ə
*Eevo l is pronounced as in Talman Eevo; this manifests in the Hebrew of native Eevo speakers who use the Eevo l for ayin
===Pida English===
A register of Cualand English with Windermere words with Scellan pronunciation literally all over the place, as well as calques of Classical Windermere phrases and occasionally Classical Windermere syntax (such as topic final-word order). Common in the Mărotłist community
===Cualand Far East Semitic===
Far East Semitic is commonly spoken in the New Andegur region of Fishome. The dominant FES language is the one that's closest to proto-FES.
===Cualand Hebrew===
our timeline's Modern Hebrew with a Hiberno-English accent; influenced more by Wiebic than Irta Modern Hebrew which is more influenced by Ăn Yidiș
*qamatz gadol and qamatz qatan are the same for some speakers, for most speakers QG=patach and QQ!=patach, for a small minority QG=QQ!=patach
*a new phoneme emerges, /θ̠/, which is a lenited form of both tav and tet but it doesn't pattern like the other begadkefat consonants
*heth and ayin as in Modern Hebrew, a minority pronounces heth as ħ when it derives from PSem ħ, but not when it comes from PSem x
*different casual pronunciations - et ha becomes /ɛθ̠ə/; though in some parts of Cualand the first vowel gets dropped as in our timeline
*resh may be a retroflex approximant, alveolar flap or retroflex flap (like in Irtan Modern Hebrew)
*vav and lenited beth become the Hawaiian v~w phoneme, for modern speakers it's /v/
*ani "I" is sometimes pronounced /ɪni/; this is a regionalism in Cualand and is rare nowadays
*tzere and segol are sometimes distinguished in some older Cualand accents as /e:/ and /ɛ/, but these are merged in modern accents. Even in older accents, tzere is realized as /ɛ/ in closed syllables, such as /lɛv/ "heart" and /zɛɻ/ "wreath". Tzere is never a diphthong in Cualand.
*In older Cualand dialects there was a distinction between segol from PSem *a, pronounced /æ/ and segol from PSem *i, pronounced /ɛ/, but these have been merged in the modern language.


=== A Tuzzo Lanto ===
=== A Tuzzo Lanto ===
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=== Talman Jews ===
=== Talman Jews ===
Languages: Judeo-Anbirese
Languages: Judeo-Anbirese
These guys use tropes based on diasem
==== Judeo-Anbirese ====
==== Judeo-Anbirese ====
Preserves Middle Anbirese ''þ'' and ''δ'' (which becomes unaspirated t/z in Modern [[Anbirese]]), slender s > š instead of sje
Preserves Middle Anbirese ''þ'' and ''δ'' (which becomes unaspirated t/z in Modern [[Anbirese]]), slender s > š instead of sje
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/2 b v g ğ d ð h w z H T j k x l m n s 3 p f S q r š t þ/ = [2 b v g g d ð h v z x t= j kh x l n n s ng ph f ts k= r S th þ]
/2 b v g ğ d ð h w z H T j k x l m n s 3 p f S q r š t þ/ = [2 b v g g d ð h v z x t= j kh x l n n s ng ph f ts k= r S th þ]
=== Pokémonlangs ===
A genre of in-universe giblangs where words have aesthetics combining different source languages or layers of a given language
* Eevo Pokémonlang
* Ăn Yidiș Pokémonlang


=== Galoyseg ===
=== Galoyseg ===
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The Hebrew spelling is very conservative and effectively treats PCel as PSem: Proto-Celtic *t that became /s/ becomes tav rafe, Proto-Celtic *ā becomes cholam, and Proto-Celtic *a that became Old Galoyseg *ā becomes qamatz. Hebrew loans are always written fully vocalized.
The Hebrew spelling is very conservative and effectively treats PCel as PSem: Proto-Celtic *t that became /s/ becomes tav rafe, Proto-Celtic *ā becomes cholam, and Proto-Celtic *a that became Old Galoyseg *ā becomes qamatz. Hebrew loans are always written fully vocalized.
=== Netagin ===
Netagin is much more widely spoken in Cualand than in Bjeheond in Crackfic Irta. The pronunciation of Netagin varies from place to place; in the predominantly English- and Eevo-speaking parts it underwent a sound change similar to Indian English in reverse: Bjeheondian Netagin t ʈ -> Cualand Netagin θ t. Netagin spelling uses an English inspired orthography with vowels often spelled in strange ways, like silent e's and short vowels marked with double consonants. But this orthography is internally consistent and decipherable since Netagin is a consonantal root language. (Canon Trician Fyxoomian Netagin's very similar to Cualand Netagin, except for the script.)
In most Cualand dialects of Netagin, the phoneme <r> is in the process of merging with <ř> and the process is complete for many younger speakers. For them, ř does not trigger an irregular gizra in newer words. A notable exception is in the parts of Cualand settled by Hivantish speakers; for them ř merges with l.
Cualand Netagin is a form of Shinach Netagin with some syntactic and phonological influences from Classical Netagin.
Unusually for a Cualand language, the syntax has very little influence from English; the reverse sometimes happens -- the English of Netagin speakers uses VSO structures, fronting and constructions like "verb an adjective verb-ing" more than Standard English. This makes Netagin English generally sound "poetic" or "fancy" to other Cualanders.


==Terrestrial terminology in Crackfic-Windermere==
==Terrestrial terminology in Crackfic-Windermere==
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==Religions==
==Religions==
* Tswcynism
* Tswcynism
* [[Verse:Tricin/Hylnehbyþin|Hylnehbyþin]] (in its early stages; pretty much LW rationalism), "liturgical language" is Fishomian Eevo
* [[Verse:Tricin/Hylnehbyþin|Hylnehbyþin]] (in its early stages; pretty much LW rationalism and Effective Altruism), "liturgical language" is English rather than Eevo as in Canon Tricin
*Buddhism (mainly Netagin and some Windermere speakers; primarily in Bjeheond, Talma and Etalocin)
*Buddhism (mainly Netagin and some Windermere speakers; primarily in Bjeheond, Talma and Etalocin)
**''Imwang'eth Ăfur Smech''
**''Imwang'eth Ăfur Smech''
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*Mărotłism
*Mărotłism
*Ñeðraism
*Ñeðraism
**Snielism
* Snielism
*Christianity
*Christianity
** Remonitionist (Multiversalist Church of Cualand)
** Remonitionist (Multiversalist Church of Cualand)
**Bjeheondian Catholic Church (Tar Ăcles Yălămtsor mi Biechănd), common among Irish-Bjeheondians
**Trician Catholic Church (Tar Ăcles Yălămtsor mi Sngeaf), common among Irish-Tricians; however many Irish-Tricians are not Catholic
***Trician saints?
***Trician saints?
*Syncretic mixes
*Syncretic mixes
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