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Traditional Talman religion/philosophy is often called '''Second-Moverism''' (''ing-ROH-nay-iz-əm'' (AmE) or ''ing-RON-ay-iz-əm'' (BrE), [[Eevo]]: ''Ñronaivih'' /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, [[Windermere]]: ''Thngop Ronea'',
'''Ngedhraism''' (''ing-ED-ra-ism'', [[Eevo]]: ''Ñeðraivih'' /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, [[Windermere]]: ''Thăngop Ngethrea'' 'Ngeðra religion', [[Clofabosin]]: ''Gedravatran'' 'Ngedhra-faith') is a religion founded by Anbirese former ''pida'' ([[Verse:Tricin/Mărotłism|Mărotłite]] religious teacher) Emisom Anjeodgan.  
[[Clofabosin]]: ''Ronestatin'') and serves as the civic religion of Talman and Talman-derived societies.  


Ngronaism is, often, less a set of beliefs than a set of common symbols, language, and rituals. Ngronaism recognizes that narratives are important - in modern Ngronaism, efforts are made to construct narratives that approach truth.
Ngedhraism is a monolatrous faith; it worships the Second Mover ([[Eevo]]: ''a Nwtxáh Arn''; a concept borrowed from Mărotłism) as a goddess named Ngedhra (Eevo: ''Ñeðra''). It does not see the Second Mover merely as a force acting within the human mind, unlike Mărotłism. Ngedhra is loving towards all sentient beings and seeks to liberate them from this world. It is said that Ngedhra opposes the First Mover, a demiurge who created the current world with all the evil and suffering therein, and that she will eventually defeat the First Mover and usher in her paradise where all beings will rejoice in her love, radiance and beauty.
 
==Ideas==
Inspirations: Judaism, Gnosticism
 
A rough timeline:
*After the Calamities, Talman classical philosophy realized need for technology including social technology
*A period much like the Warring States period, with competing philosophies sponsored by warlords and citystates
*One of these philosophies win out and dominate Talma for a long time
**it happens to be a Lăcoaf philosophy; responsible for Lăcoaf as a classical language
*Then Grouid the revolutionary comes along - with a more dualistic idea
 
Some riffing on ideas:
*(It's OK for religions with anthropomorphic gods to have contradictions. In that case it's preferable to reduce the gods' role, though.)
*Folk religion could do something vaguely Christian in its themes. 2nd mover is much more anthropomorphic and the only reason that the 2nd Mover is so friendly to humans is that she herself was once a human. Well, the 2nd Mover is already quite human and limited. Would resonate with some people who only trust people who had suffered like them.
*"Mărotłites on the outside, Machiavellians on the inside"
*As Jewish as possible without being theistic?


==History==
==History==
===Jeodgan===
===Anjeodgan===
[[Anbirese]] religious reformer Emisom Jeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngrona" (Eevo: ''Ñrona'', Anbirese: ''Ngroneo'', from hypothetical [[Tigol]] ''*Ñronae'', from [[Thensarian]] ''Ȝronaeae''), and claimed that she was the Second Mover, and she alone was to be worshipped and revered. The First Mover, in his mind, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary.
[[Anbirese]] ''pida'' Emisom Anjeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngedhra" (Eevo: ''Ñeðra'', Anbirese: ''Ngeseo'', from hypothetical [[Tigol]] ''*Ñeðrae'', from [[Thensarian]] ''Ȝronaeae''), and claimed that she was the Second Mover according to the correct interpretation of the texts. The First Mover, on the other hand, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary. Because of its promise of universal salvation by faith, Ngedhraism gained widespread popular appeal when it was founded.


Jeodgan greatly loosened Mărotłian religious laws at first, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.
==Basic tenets==
===Ngedhra's Vows===
The Book of Vows is one of the texts authored by Anjeodgan.


However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal.
===Completion of the Book===
Ngedhraists hold that Ngedhra has already completed the list of all the laws that apply to humanity, as proven and told by her prophet Anjeodgan. The authority of the Imθumăytil and the Mărotłite pidaic law is hence null and void. The laws are:
#Do not murder
#Do not slaughter
#Do not rape
#...


===Industrialization and communism===
According to the Book of Vows, it suffices to express faith in Ngedhra's salvation and to endeavor to follow this complete set of laws for one to meet the goddess immediately upon death:
===Disillusionment===


===Contemporary Ngronaism===
:''Should I, Ngedhra, fail to grant eternal life and companionship with me to anyone who has called upon my name with intention and pursued to follow my law, immediately upon his death, may I be stripped of my godhood.''
Basically transhumanism


anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism
===Dietary restrictions===
regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say
Anjeodgan loosened many Mărotłian religious laws, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.


the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god
However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal; they believed that Ngedhra's law implies a ban on all "slaughter" of all animals.


Jeodgan might have taken inspiration from ancient 2nd mover writings
===Ngedhra's arrival===
It is believed that someday Ngedhra will kill the First Mover and institute her reign in all the realms including the human one. The dead will be revived, souls languishing in hells will be released, and Ngedhra will transform evildoers into righteous people. Human society itself will become a utopia.


Basically Jeodgan's writings could be described as "sci-fi without the tech aesthetic."
To hasten Ngedhra's arrival one must do good deeds (by obeying her law) and refrain from evil deeds: Ngedhra will arrive when humanity's collective karma (good karma can cancel out bad karma) goes above a certain  unrevealed threshold.


==Basic tenets==
==In society==
 
In Modern Wen Dămea, religion is traditionally a class marker:
==Historical controversies==
*The working class are Ngedhraists.
===Problem of conflict===
*The middle to upper classes are Mărotłites.
The problem of conflict, which asks: why is there conflict among humans, if there is one entity that represents humans? This is analogous to the problem of evil in western theism.


==Textual canon==
==Textual canon==
Like Judaism, and its sister religion [[Verse:Tricin/Mărotłism|Mărotłism]], Ngronaism has an "open source" textual canon which allows additions. Thinkers from different time periods and environments have their own interpretations, though often informed by previous ones, on what exactly the philosophy entails about how humans ought to live.
Ngedhraism shares with Mărotłism the Tigol canon, the Foranloíd, but uses translated texts unlike Mărotłism. Thus Ngedhraist terminology in Talmic languages is commonly derived by evolving the original Tigol word with regular sound changes leading to the Talmic language in question.
===Ancient texts===
*The ''Avoranloeδūs'' are the largest known collection of Thensarian texts, including prose epics, poetry, wisdom literature, riddles and puzzles. Most importantly: it states its own incompleteness!
*:''φess·θūdiāsor subanmanōȝi φarnoe φinnom ābotot δulaħnar oncat ħlibnar...''
*:"Let the Second Mover complete this book of laws and rites..."
*The ''Sondmorið Manuscripts'' ([[Eevo]]: /ˈsɔntmɔrið/) are a collection of [[Thensarian]]- and [[Tigol]]-language manuscripts found in the Sondmorið caves of Skella. Among other things, they give a mythological account of human nature and origins. Devotional poems are also included.
 
Requirements for earliest texts:
*Some puzzles
*Should mention "1st Mover" (''subanmanōȝi ȝoθloe'') and "2nd Mover" (''subanmanōȝi φarnoe'')
*Some self-contradiction
*Fragmented rituals/laws but not too legalistic (there should NOT be a Torah!)
**handwashing that conveniently largely coincides with what germ theory prescribes (handwashing after contact with bodily fluids or dirt)
 
===Classical texts===
*The ''Imthumăytil'' ([[Windermere]], meaning "investigations") is a [[Windermere/Classical|Classical Windermere]] text which depicts sages (Classical Windermere: ''impida'', the title may be translated as "Master") discussing and debating various ethical and philosophical topics, and attempting to find the "true meaning" and "correct practice" of previous Talman religious traditions. Most surviving copies are edited by later ''impida'' in various schools of interpretation. The ''Imthumăytil'' was traditionally required reading in Talman schools.
*Muidhillechadh Gnaoth: a critical essay on the Sondmorið Manuscripts by [[Verse:Tricin/Etsoj Jopah|Etsoj Jopah]] (in Anbirese)
 
===Modern texts===
===Contemporary texts===


==Symbols and rituals==
==Symbols and rituals==
Ngronaism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin; however, it emphasizes that these are allegories and myth, designed for absorption by the limited human mind.
Ngedhraism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin.
===Life cycle events===
===Life cycle events===


==Popular Ngronaism==
==Contemporary Ngedhraism==
Later, the originally quasi-rationalist philosophy of the Imthumăytil had branched out into many variants, thanks to the Jeodganite Revolution. The biggest religious split in Wen Dămea is by class: Mărotłism (upper-class Ngronaism) and popular Ngronaism(s) including the formerly largest sect of it, Jeodganism. Accordingly Mărotłites stereotyped popular Ngronaists as superstitious, vindictive, fanatical wishful thinkers; popular Ngronaists viewed Mărotłites as cynical, self-rationalizing, morally blind, privileged people.
anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism
regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say


Some characteristics of popular Ngronaism:
the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god
* The Second Mover is a much more theistic entity than in Mărotłism. People often attempt to access the goddess through prayer or bargaining, in hopes of warding off evil or misfortune.
* A belief in some form of karma, usually paradise for the virtuous and hell for evildoers -- often aimed at the "establishment" who are portrayed as "karma denialists", i.e. denial about the consequences they'll face for oppressing the common man
* more emphasis on social justice for the poor (?)

Latest revision as of 19:47, 25 January 2023

Ngedhraism (ing-ED-ra-ism, Eevo: Ñeðraivih /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, Windermere: Thăngop Ngethrea 'Ngeðra religion', Clofabosin: Gedravatran 'Ngedhra-faith') is a religion founded by Anbirese former pida (Mărotłite religious teacher) Emisom Anjeodgan.

Ngedhraism is a monolatrous faith; it worships the Second Mover (Eevo: a Nwtxáh Arn; a concept borrowed from Mărotłism) as a goddess named Ngedhra (Eevo: Ñeðra). It does not see the Second Mover merely as a force acting within the human mind, unlike Mărotłism. Ngedhra is loving towards all sentient beings and seeks to liberate them from this world. It is said that Ngedhra opposes the First Mover, a demiurge who created the current world with all the evil and suffering therein, and that she will eventually defeat the First Mover and usher in her paradise where all beings will rejoice in her love, radiance and beauty.

History

Anjeodgan

Anbirese pida Emisom Anjeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngedhra" (Eevo: Ñeðra, Anbirese: Ngeseo, from hypothetical Tigol *Ñeðrae, from Thensarian Ȝronaeae), and claimed that she was the Second Mover according to the correct interpretation of the texts. The First Mover, on the other hand, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary. Because of its promise of universal salvation by faith, Ngedhraism gained widespread popular appeal when it was founded.

Basic tenets

Ngedhra's Vows

The Book of Vows is one of the texts authored by Anjeodgan.

Completion of the Book

Ngedhraists hold that Ngedhra has already completed the list of all the laws that apply to humanity, as proven and told by her prophet Anjeodgan. The authority of the Imθumăytil and the Mărotłite pidaic law is hence null and void. The laws are:

  1. Do not murder
  2. Do not slaughter
  3. Do not rape
  4. ...

According to the Book of Vows, it suffices to express faith in Ngedhra's salvation and to endeavor to follow this complete set of laws for one to meet the goddess immediately upon death:

Should I, Ngedhra, fail to grant eternal life and companionship with me to anyone who has called upon my name with intention and pursued to follow my law, immediately upon his death, may I be stripped of my godhood.

Dietary restrictions

Anjeodgan loosened many Mărotłian religious laws, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.

However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal; they believed that Ngedhra's law implies a ban on all "slaughter" of all animals.

Ngedhra's arrival

It is believed that someday Ngedhra will kill the First Mover and institute her reign in all the realms including the human one. The dead will be revived, souls languishing in hells will be released, and Ngedhra will transform evildoers into righteous people. Human society itself will become a utopia.

To hasten Ngedhra's arrival one must do good deeds (by obeying her law) and refrain from evil deeds: Ngedhra will arrive when humanity's collective karma (good karma can cancel out bad karma) goes above a certain unrevealed threshold.

In society

In Modern Wen Dămea, religion is traditionally a class marker:

  • The working class are Ngedhraists.
  • The middle to upper classes are Mărotłites.

Textual canon

Ngedhraism shares with Mărotłism the Tigol canon, the Foranloíd, but uses translated texts unlike Mărotłism. Thus Ngedhraist terminology in Talmic languages is commonly derived by evolving the original Tigol word with regular sound changes leading to the Talmic language in question.

Symbols and rituals

Ngedhraism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin.

Life cycle events

Contemporary Ngedhraism

anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say

the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god

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