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'''Judeo-Nurian''' (placeholder; ''han tambar Núrak'')
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== Diachronics ==
=== Consonants ===
* p' -> PEK mˁ
* t' -> PEK tˁ
* k' -> PEK q
* PIr l -> PEK ć
* PIr y/g/hiatus breaker -> PEK y
* PIr k -> PEK ç
* PIr ng, r -> lengthens preceding vowel if before C, PEK 0 otherwise
* PIr s -> PEK χ
* PIr b/w -> PEK β
* PIr d -> ð (r in retroflexing environments)
* final nasal -> {{ng}}
* Non-final nasals stay put (n in PIr /rVn/ retroflexes)
* p, t stay put (t in PIr /rVt/ retroflexes)
 
=== Vowels ===
PIr ă -> ə
 
urV, orV, arV -> orV, arV, erV -> oV aV eV
 
ira iro iru -> iwa iwo iwu
 
Same-vowel weakening rule: e.g. PI sumur is treated as if it were sămur
 
== Family tree ==
* Erno-Kawenic
** [[Verse:Mwail/Kawenic languages|Kawenic]]
** [[Verse:Mwail/Ernic languages|Ernic]]
 
== Phonology ==
Proto-Erno-Kawenic is characterized by unusual sound changes from Proto-Irenesian.
=== Consonants ===
{| class="wikitable
|-
!rowspan=2|
!colspan=2| Labial
!rowspan=2| Denti-alveolar
!rowspan=2| Retroflex
!rowspan=2| Palatal
!rowspan=2| Uvular
|-
!|plain
!|pharyngealized
|-
!|Nasal
|| '''m''' /m/ || '''mˁ''' /mˁ/ || '''n''' /n̪/ || '''ṇ''' /ɳ/ || ||
|-
!|Stop
|| '''p''' /p/ || '''pˁ''' /pˁ/ || '''t''' /t̪/ || '''ṭ''' /ʈ/ || '''ć''' /tɕ/ || '''q''' /q/
|-
!|Fricative
|| || || || '''ṣ''' /ʂ/ || '''ç''' /ç/ || '''x''' /χ/
|-
!|Continuant
|| '''β''' /β/ || || '''δ''' /ð/ || '''r''' /ɻ/ || '''y''' /j/ ||
|}
 
=== Vowels ===
Short i e a o u ə
 
Long ī ē ā ō ū
 
Nasal iñ eñ añ oñ uñ əñ
 
Coloring effects
 
== Grammar ==
I have to have a solid idea of how nouns work in PEK; I'm probably gonna cliticize classifiers after nouns
 
So the classifier is almost a suffix, maybe fully a suffix by PEK
 
That may affect the Ernish I have now, which I'm willing to accept. In that case Ernish should probably choose one form, probably the PEK genitive plural for most nouns.
 
Ensuring that Quququqquq genitives always end in a vowel is easy
 
Genitive should be -some vowel + (ng) in PI
 
Some nouns, like proper nouns, family terms and body parts, shouldn't have classifiers
 
=== Classifiers ===
{| class="wikitable"
!| PEK classifier || Domain || Etymology
|-
|| sg. ''=nuć'', pl. ''=çe''
|| generic inanimate
|-
|| sg. ''=pće'', pl. ''=mut''
|| inanimate (pejorative)
|-
|| sg. ''=hoi'', pl. ''=au''
|| human
|-
|| sg. ''=qβe'', pl. ''=poyap''
|| human (pejorative)
|-
|| ''=upi''
|| generic animal
|-
|| ''=tiβo''
|| livestock
|-
|| ''=toyu''
|| animate (pejorative)
|-
|| ''=mˁō''
|| animate (pejorative)
|-
|| ''=pˁat''
|| flat sheets
|-
|| ''=əmço''
|| flat sheets (pejorative)
|-
|| ''=çeoñ''
|| trees and bushes; streams, rivers
|-
|| ''=uox''
|| herbaceous plants
|-
|| ''=epçi''
|| any plant (pejorative)
|-
|| ''=βuδ''
|| flowers, bunches of fruit
|-
|| ''=tia''
|| paths, ways
|-
|| ''=uhiç''
|| long thin objects
|-
|| ''=uyop''
|| fruits, spheres
|-
|| ''=tuć''
|| circles, rings
|-
|| ''=ex''
|| buildings
|-
|| ''=mˁəδañ''
|| vehicles
|-
|| ''=xəβuq''
|| man-made things (pejorative)
|-
|| ''=ćep''
|| marks, like written characters, wounds, ...
|-
|| ''=uñqe''
|| important places and events
|}
 
=== Sandbox ===
PI urim 'rose apple' (bare) -> PEK oiŋ 'apple (is-a form); Apple (name form)' -> Ernish oi 'ibid.'
 
PI urim uop -> PEK oiŋ=uyop 'the apple' -> Ernish oinguzop 'apple (singular)'
 
PI **urim bawăd -> PEK oiŋ bawəd -> oimbaud 'apples (plural)'
 
PI tiroŋ 'head' -> PEK tiwo: -> Ernish tiwo
(body parts don't take classifiers)

Latest revision as of 12:02, 29 June 2025

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Diachronics

Consonants

  • p' -> PEK mˁ
  • t' -> PEK tˁ
  • k' -> PEK q
  • PIr l -> PEK ć
  • PIr y/g/hiatus breaker -> PEK y
  • PIr k -> PEK ç
  • PIr ng, r -> lengthens preceding vowel if before C, PEK 0 otherwise
  • PIr s -> PEK χ
  • PIr b/w -> PEK β
  • PIr d -> ð (r in retroflexing environments)
  • final nasal -> ŋ
  • Non-final nasals stay put (n in PIr /rVn/ retroflexes)
  • p, t stay put (t in PIr /rVt/ retroflexes)

Vowels

PIr ă -> ə

urV, orV, arV -> orV, arV, erV -> oV aV eV

ira iro iru -> iwa iwo iwu

Same-vowel weakening rule: e.g. PI sumur is treated as if it were sămur

Family tree

Phonology

Proto-Erno-Kawenic is characterized by unusual sound changes from Proto-Irenesian.

Consonants

Labial Denti-alveolar Retroflex Palatal Uvular
plain pharyngealized
Nasal m /m/ mˁ /mˁ/ n /n̪/ ṇ /ɳ/
Stop p /p/ pˁ /pˁ/ t /t̪/ ṭ /ʈ/ ć /tɕ/ q /q/
Fricative ṣ /ʂ/ ç /ç/ x /χ/
Continuant β /β/ δ /ð/ r /ɻ/ y /j/

Vowels

Short i e a o u ə

Long ī ē ā ō ū

Nasal iñ eñ añ oñ uñ əñ

Coloring effects

Grammar

I have to have a solid idea of how nouns work in PEK; I'm probably gonna cliticize classifiers after nouns

So the classifier is almost a suffix, maybe fully a suffix by PEK

That may affect the Ernish I have now, which I'm willing to accept. In that case Ernish should probably choose one form, probably the PEK genitive plural for most nouns.

Ensuring that Quququqquq genitives always end in a vowel is easy

Genitive should be -some vowel + (ng) in PI

Some nouns, like proper nouns, family terms and body parts, shouldn't have classifiers

Classifiers

PEK classifier Domain Etymology
sg. =nuć, pl. =çe generic inanimate
sg. =pće, pl. =mut inanimate (pejorative)
sg. =hoi, pl. =au human
sg. =qβe, pl. =poyap human (pejorative)
=upi generic animal
=tiβo livestock
=toyu animate (pejorative)
=mˁō animate (pejorative)
=pˁat flat sheets
=əmço flat sheets (pejorative)
=çeoñ trees and bushes; streams, rivers
=uox herbaceous plants
=epçi any plant (pejorative)
=βuδ flowers, bunches of fruit
=tia paths, ways
=uhiç long thin objects
=uyop fruits, spheres
=tuć circles, rings
=ex buildings
=mˁəδañ vehicles
=xəβuq man-made things (pejorative)
=ćep marks, like written characters, wounds, ...
=uñqe important places and events

Sandbox

PI urim 'rose apple' (bare) -> PEK oiŋ 'apple (is-a form); Apple (name form)' -> Ernish oi 'ibid.'

PI urim uop -> PEK oiŋ=uyop 'the apple' -> Ernish oinguzop 'apple (singular)'

PI **urim bawăd -> PEK oiŋ bawəd -> oimbaud 'apples (plural)'

PI tiroŋ 'head' -> PEK tiwo: -> Ernish tiwo (body parts don't take classifiers)

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