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In Irta, Ireland grew into a major European power by the 9th century, controlling all of the British Isles and stretching as far as our __. The Irish empire was bordered by an Old French-speaking region to the southeast, which was in turn bordered by Hivantish tribal lands in Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.
In Irta, Ireland grew into a major European power by the 9th century, controlling all of the British Isles, and at its greatest extent stretching as far as westernmost France, the Pyrenees and our Belgium/Netherlands area. The Irish empire was bordered by an Old French-speaking region to the southeast, which was in turn bordered by Hivantish tribal lands in Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.
 
Some Irish territory remained on Continental Europe into the 17th century. Irish heavily influenced Crackfic Trician French, turning it into Hyperfrench with a quasi-Slavic phonology, and influenced Hivantish as well.
 
Modern Ireland includes Scotland which uses cognatized Scottish Gaelic place names (except the Norse place names which are Albionian, Hivantic or Inuit instead).
 
== Early Middle Ages ==
== Early Middle Ages ==
=== The Taking of Britain ===
This part's the most handwavy
The Irish defeat the Brythonic speakers
 
The early medieval ard-rí was a figurehead over autonomous regional sub-kings. The ard-rí role became more centralized (unlike in our timeline) in response to a need for cooperation and centralization among the Irish-speaking tribes in response to external forces? However, Gaels still retained a clan-based system, like our Joseon; we could model some features of the Irish empire after Joseon


=== The reverse Norman invasion ===
The bardic schools have one additional level which was required to become the Ardrí's poet, called the ''ardfhilidhe'' (ardfhilí)?
 
The ardrí was still elected by tanistry
 
Some religious text translations should use "Ardrí" rather than "Rí" for God
 
Where should the capital be?
 
Catholicism was the state religion but Jews were tolerated to an extent
=== Lebor Gabála Bretaine ===
The Brythonic assimilate to the Gaelic speakers, except those who went to the mainland who became Galoyseg speakers; some Irta Irish surnames should be Brythonic
 
=== Continental Ireland ===


== Late Middle Ages ==
== Late Middle Ages ==
"What if Joseon was Irish-speaking and Catholic"
=== Civil service exam system ===
Much like the Joseon one; applicants were tested on the knowledge of Irish poetic and prose forms, knowledge of Latin and Catholic theology and history, and the relevant technical subjects for those entering technical positions (such as translating French, Hivantish, and Azalic). Women, lower classes and non-Catholics were excluded. One those whose last 3 generations either passed the civil service exam or served in civil service could take the exam.
=== Expulsion of Jews from Continental Ireland (12th-13th c.) ===
=== Expulsion of Jews from Continental Ireland (12th-13th c.) ===
Middle Irish-speaking Tsarfati Jews migrated to Central and Eastern Europe, and their language  became [[Ăn Yidiș]]


== Post-Remonition ==
== Post-Remonition ==
During the 16th century, the two Remonitions occurred and Ireland lost all of its mainland territory in the ensuing religious wars by the 17th century. Ireland could still become a colonial power, explaining the presence of Irish in the Americas and Polynesia.
During the 16th and the 17th centuries, the two Remonitions occurred and Ireland lost all of its mainland territory (to the Remonitionists and the Hivantish), in addition to Britain, in the ensuing religious wars by the 17th century. France in turn took some of the lost Irish territory from the English-speaking Remonitionists, resulting in what's much like our France today (except for Breton which is English- and Brythonic-speaking). Irish culture remained in the mainly Catholic Corsica, where a heavily Irish-influenced descendant of Arabic is still spoken today.
 
Post-Remonition intellectual history in Irta Catholic Europe (Ireland, France, Italy):
* 17th-18th c: after the 17th century Catholic vs. Remonitionist wars of religion, intellectuals got sick of fighting for religion and began to question its value. The Enlightenment began in the traditionally Catholic countries contemporaneously with Romanticism in the Remonitionist countries.
* 19th c: Romanticism influenced by Remonitionist cultures
* 20th-21th c: more influence from RMists from Tricin

Latest revision as of 03:56, 19 December 2022

In Irta, Ireland grew into a major European power by the 9th century, controlling all of the British Isles, and at its greatest extent stretching as far as westernmost France, the Pyrenees and our Belgium/Netherlands area. The Irish empire was bordered by an Old French-speaking region to the southeast, which was in turn bordered by Hivantish tribal lands in Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.

Some Irish territory remained on Continental Europe into the 17th century. Irish heavily influenced Crackfic Trician French, turning it into Hyperfrench with a quasi-Slavic phonology, and influenced Hivantish as well.

Modern Ireland includes Scotland which uses cognatized Scottish Gaelic place names (except the Norse place names which are Albionian, Hivantic or Inuit instead).

Early Middle Ages

This part's the most handwavy

The early medieval ard-rí was a figurehead over autonomous regional sub-kings. The ard-rí role became more centralized (unlike in our timeline) in response to a need for cooperation and centralization among the Irish-speaking tribes in response to external forces? However, Gaels still retained a clan-based system, like our Joseon; we could model some features of the Irish empire after Joseon

The bardic schools have one additional level which was required to become the Ardrí's poet, called the ardfhilidhe (ardfhilí)?

The ardrí was still elected by tanistry

Some religious text translations should use "Ardrí" rather than "Rí" for God

Where should the capital be?

Catholicism was the state religion but Jews were tolerated to an extent

Lebor Gabála Bretaine

The Brythonic assimilate to the Gaelic speakers, except those who went to the mainland who became Galoyseg speakers; some Irta Irish surnames should be Brythonic

Continental Ireland

Late Middle Ages

"What if Joseon was Irish-speaking and Catholic"

Civil service exam system

Much like the Joseon one; applicants were tested on the knowledge of Irish poetic and prose forms, knowledge of Latin and Catholic theology and history, and the relevant technical subjects for those entering technical positions (such as translating French, Hivantish, and Azalic). Women, lower classes and non-Catholics were excluded. One those whose last 3 generations either passed the civil service exam or served in civil service could take the exam.

Expulsion of Jews from Continental Ireland (12th-13th c.)

Middle Irish-speaking Tsarfati Jews migrated to Central and Eastern Europe, and their language became Ăn Yidiș

Post-Remonition

During the 16th and the 17th centuries, the two Remonitions occurred and Ireland lost all of its mainland territory (to the Remonitionists and the Hivantish), in addition to Britain, in the ensuing religious wars by the 17th century. France in turn took some of the lost Irish territory from the English-speaking Remonitionists, resulting in what's much like our France today (except for Breton which is English- and Brythonic-speaking). Irish culture remained in the mainly Catholic Corsica, where a heavily Irish-influenced descendant of Arabic is still spoken today.

Post-Remonition intellectual history in Irta Catholic Europe (Ireland, France, Italy):

  • 17th-18th c: after the 17th century Catholic vs. Remonitionist wars of religion, intellectuals got sick of fighting for religion and began to question its value. The Enlightenment began in the traditionally Catholic countries contemporaneously with Romanticism in the Remonitionist countries.
  • 19th c: Romanticism influenced by Remonitionist cultures
  • 20th-21th c: more influence from RMists from Tricin