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{{privatelang}}
{{Infobox language
{{Infobox language
|image= Ravenish flag.png
|image= Ravenish flag.png
|imagesize= 250px
|imagesize= 250px
|name= Ravenish  
|name= Old Ravenish  
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon
|pronunciation_key = Guide:IPA
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|region=[[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam2=Germanic
|fam2=Germanic
|fam3=[[Old Ravenish]]
|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]]
|dia1=Standard
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Colloquial
|dia2=Standard
|dia3=Colloquial
|script1= Latn
|script1= Latn
|ancestor= [[Old Ravenish]] (attested)
|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)
|dia1=Formal
|familycolor=indo-european
|dia2=Colloquial
|cws=MCORV
|-
|-
|notice=IPA
|notice=IPA
}}
}}


'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[IPA for Ravenish|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn&#93;]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
Make note that this is an old, outdated, and no longer updated version of Old Ravenish, for the current version see [[Old Ravenish]]


While its vocabulary derives for the most part from [[w:Proto-Germanic|Proto-Germanic]], Finnish influence is most notable in its phonology and its grammar.
'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:</small>[[w:ipq chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon]]) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]].  


==Introduction==
==Introduction==
Goals
===Goals===
* Fun
* Fun
* Learn more Germanic
* Learn more Germanic
Setting
* Learn more Finnish
===Setting===
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
Inspiration
===Inspiration===
* Finnish
* Finnish
* Proto-Germanic
* Proto-Germanic
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|-
|-
! /kʷ/
! /kʷ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | q || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | kw || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /z, ʒ/
! /z, ʒ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | z || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | z || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /ʀ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ʀ/ŕ || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /χ/
! /χ/
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! colspan="2" | [[w:post-Alveolar consonant|post-<br/>alveolar]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:post-Alveolar consonant|post-<br/>alveolar]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Palatal consonant|palatal]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Palatal consonant|palatal]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]<br/>/[[w:Uvular consonant|Uvular]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Uvular consonant|Uvular]]
|-
|-
! [[w:Nasal consonant|Nasal]]
! [[w:Nasal consonant|Nasal]]
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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced velar nasal|ŋ]])¹, ŋʷ²
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced velar nasal|ŋ]])¹, ŋʷ²
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], kʷ || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], kʷ || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
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| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]], sʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar sibilant|z]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]], sʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar sibilant|z]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | ([[w:Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]])³ || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced postalveolar fricative|ʒ]])⁴
| style="border-right: 0;" | ([[w:Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]])³ || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced postalveolar fricative|ʒ]])⁴
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless uvular fricative|χ]], χʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular fricative|ʁ]], ʁʷ
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless uvular fricative|χ]], χʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular fricative|ʁ]], ʁʷ
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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular trill|ʀ]]⁵
|}
|}


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# allophone of /n/ before /kʷ/
# allophone of /n/ before /kʷ/
# allophone of /s/ before velars and at word ends
# allophone of /s/ before velars and at word ends
# allophone of /z/ before velars and at word ends
# allophone of /z/ before velars and at word ends, in modern colloquial forms this has roticized to /r/
# Only appears in modern colloquial forms, the rhotic form of /ʒ/


===Vowels===
===Vowels===
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===Morphophonology===
===Morphophonology===
==Morphology==
==Morphology==
Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '<sup>?</sup>' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.
===Pronouns===
===Pronouns===
{{template:þiudiskon PersPrn}}
{{template:þiudiskon PersPrn}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|+ Standard/colloquial personal pronouns
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukëraz}} || {{term|mukiz}}
| {{term|ik}} || {{term|mik}}
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkëraz}} || {{term|unkiz}}
| {{term|wit}} || {{term|unk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsëraz}} || {{term|unsiz}}
| {{term|wiz}} || {{term|uns}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukëraz}} || {{term|þukiz}}
| {{term|þuu}} || {{term|þik}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwëraz}} || {{term|unkwiz}}
| {{term|jut}} || {{term|ïnkw}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwëraz}} || {{term|uzwiz}}
| {{term|juuz}} || {{term|izwiz}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|es}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymmäi}}
| {{term|iz}} || {{term|ïnon}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|sïï}} || {{term|suu}}
| {{term|sii}} || {{term|ijon}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ït}} || {{term|ut}}
| {{term|it}} || {{term|it}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
| {{term|ïïz}} || {{term|uuz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ezöön}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymäz}}
| {{term|iiz}} || {{term|ïnz}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|ïjääz}} || {{term|ujaaz}}
| {{term|ijaaz}} || {{term|ijaz}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ïjö}} || {{term|ujo}}
| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijo}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëëraz}} || {{term|sëiz}}
| {{term|se}} || {{term|sik}}
|-
|-
|}
|}


The standard form taught to foreigners, understood by everyone, like MSA where almost no natives actually speak it.
Genitive is regularized to the suffix '-eräz'/'-ëraz', Dative is lost


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
===Nouns===
|+ Colloquial personal pronouns
Stems are named in accordance with their PG equivalent.
|-
====a stems====
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
====ō stems====
|-
====ī/jō stems====
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
====i stems====
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukëraʀ}} || {{term|mukiʀ}}
====u stems====
|- valign="top"
====an stems====
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
====ōn stems====
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkëraʀ}} || {{term|unkiʀ}}
====īn stems====
|-
====r stems====
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
====z stems====
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsëraʀ}} || {{term|unsiʀ}}
====Root nouns and consonant stems====
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukëraʀ}} || {{term|þukiʀ}}
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwëraʀ}} || {{term|unkwiʀ}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwëraʀ}} || {{term|uzwiʀ}}
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || {{term|uzëraʀ}} || {{term|uziʀ}}
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ït}} || {{term|ut}} || {{term|utëraz}} || {{term|utiʀ}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïïʀ}} || {{term|uuʀ}} || {{term|uuzëraʀ}} || {{term|uuziʀ}}
|-
! colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëëraʀ}} || {{term|sëiʀ}}
|-
|}


The day-to-day form, an interesting forced change happens here, where the original instrumental endings become particles, 'ö' for singular and 'iz' for plural.
===Verbs===
===Adjectives and Determiners===
===Adverbs===
===Numbers===


==Syntax==
==Syntax==
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| Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
| Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
|-
|-
| Ravenish || hwat! wiʀ gaizdanjoon ïn järändägämäʀ þeïdöökïnïngöön þrumjaʀ gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungoʀ aljanan framidëëdun
| Ravenish<br/>(Formal) || hwat! wiz gaizdanjoon ïn järändägämäz þeïdöökïnïngöön þrumjaz gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungoz aljanan framidëëdun
|-
|-
| Pronunciation</br>(Standard) || {{IPA|/χʷɑt wiʀ ʁɑi̯z.ðɑn.joːn yn jæ.ræn.ðæ.ʁæ.mæʀ θey̯.ðøː.ky.nyn.ʁøːn θrum.jɑʀ ʁɑ.frɤː.ʁun χʷo θo ɑ.θu.lun.ʁɑːʀ ɑl.jɑ.nɑn frɑ.mi.ðɤː.ðun/}}
| Pronunciation<br/>(Formal) || {{IPA|/χʷɑt wiʒ ʁɑi̯z.ðɑn.joːn yn jæ.ræn.ðæ.ʁæ.mæʒ θey̯.ðøː.ky.nyn.ʁøːn θrum.jɑʒ ʁɑ.frɤː.ʁun χʷo θo ɑ.θu.lun.ʁɑːʒ ɑl.jɑ.nɑn frɑ.mi.ðɤː.ðun/}}
|}
|}


==Other resources==
==Other resources==
[[þiudiskon/Swadesh|Swadesh]]
* [[þiudiskon/Swadesh|Swadesh]]
 
* [[þiudiskon/Phrasebook|Phrases]]
[[þiudiskon/Phrasebook|Phrases]]
* [[:Category:þiudiskon lemmas|lemmas]]




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