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{{privatelang}}
{{Infobox language
{{Infobox language
|image= Ravenish flag.png
|image= Ravenish flag.png
|imagesize= 250px
|imagesize= 250px
|name= Ravenish  
|name= Old Ravenish  
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam2=Germanic
|fam2=Germanic
|fam3=[[Old Ravenish]]
|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]]
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Standard
|dia2=Standard
|dia3=Colloquial
|dia3=Colloquial
|script1= Latn
|script1= Latn
|ancestor= [[Old Ravenish]] (attested)
|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)
|familycolor=indo-european
|cws=MCORV
|-
|-
|notice=IPA
|notice=IPA
}}
}}


'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn&#93;]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
Make note that this is an old, outdated, and no longer updated version of Old Ravenish, for the current version see [[Old Ravenish]]


While its vocabulary derives for the most part from [[w:Proto-Germanic|Proto-Germanic]], Finnish influence is most notable in its phonology and its grammar.
'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:</small>[[w:ipq chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon]]) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]].  


==Introduction==
==Introduction==
Goals
===Goals===
* Fun
* Fun
* Learn more Germanic
* Learn more Germanic
Setting
* Learn more Finnish
===Setting===
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
Inspiration
===Inspiration===
* Finnish
* Finnish
* Proto-Germanic
* Proto-Germanic
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|-
|-
! /kʷ/
! /kʷ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | q || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | kw || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /z, ʒ/
! /z, ʒ/
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===Morphophonology===
===Morphophonology===
==Morphology==
==Morphology==
Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '<sup>?</sup>' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.
===Pronouns===
===Pronouns===
{{template:þiudiskon PersPrn}}
{{template:þiudiskon PersPrn}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|+ Standard/colloquial personal pronouns
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukëraz}} || {{term|mukiz}}
| {{term|ik}} || {{term|mik}}
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkëraz}} || {{term|unkiz}}
| {{term|wit}} || {{term|unk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsëraz}} || {{term|unsiz}}
| {{term|wiz}} || {{term|uns}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukëraz}} || {{term|þukiz}}
| {{term|þuu}} || {{term|þik}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwëraz}} || {{term|unkwiz}}
| {{term|jut}} || {{term|ïnkw}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwëraz}} || {{term|uzwiz}}
| {{term|juuz}} || {{term|izwiz}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|es}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymmäi}}
| {{term|iz}} || {{term|ïnon}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|sïï}} || {{term|suu}}
| {{term|sii}} || {{term|ijon}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ït}} || {{term|ut}}
| {{term|it}} || {{term|it}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
| {{term|ïïz}} || {{term|uuz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ezöön}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymäz}}
| {{term|iiz}} || {{term|ïnz}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|ïjääz}} || {{term|ujaaz}}
| {{term|ijaaz}} || {{term|ijaz}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ïjö}} || {{term|ujo}}
| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijo}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëëraz}} || {{term|sëiz}}
| {{term|se}} || {{term|sik}}
|-
|-
|}
|}


The standard form taught to foreigners, understood by everyone, like MSA where almost no natives actually speak it.
Genitive is regularized to the suffix '-eräz'/'-ëraz', Dative is lost
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Colloquial personal pronouns
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukërar}} || {{term|mukir}}
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkërar}} || {{term|unkir}}
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsërar}} || {{term|unsir}}
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukërar}} || {{term|þukir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwërar}} || {{term|unkwir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwërar}} || {{term|uzwir}}
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || {{term|uzërar}} || {{term|uzir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ït}} || {{term|ut}} || {{term|utërar}} || {{term|utir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïïr}} || {{term|uur}} || {{term|uuzërar}} || {{term|uuzir}}
|-
! colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëërar}} || {{term|sëir}}
|-
|}
 
The day-to-day form, an interesting forced change happens here, where the original instrumental endings become particles, 'ö' for singular and 'iz' for plural.


===Nouns===
===Nouns===
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==Other resources==
==Other resources==
[[þiudiskon/Swadesh|Swadesh]]
* [[þiudiskon/Swadesh|Swadesh]]
 
* [[þiudiskon/Phrasebook|Phrases]]
[[þiudiskon/Phrasebook|Phrases]]
* [[:Category:þiudiskon lemmas|lemmas]]




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