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|name= Ravenish  
|name= Ravenish  
|nativename=''tiudisko''
|nativename=''teudon-suomi''
|pronunciation= tiy̯.diʃ.
|pronunciation= teu̯.don.suo̯.mi
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|pronunciation_key = w:IPA chart
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam1=Indo-European
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'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''tiudisko''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart|[tiy̯.diʃ.]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|endonym]]: ''teudon-suomi''; <small>Ravenish:</small> [[w:IPA chart|[teu̯.don.suo̯.mi]]) is a [[w:Finnish language|Finno]]-[[w:Germanic language|Germanic]] [[w:sprachbund|sprachbund]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe, at around 400AD, migrated to what is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the complete replacement of the native grammar with that of Finnish.
 
==Introduction==
Goals
* Fun
* Learn more Germanic
Setting
* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
Inspiration
* Finnish
* Proto-Germanic
* My love for old Germanic languages
 
===Summary of changes from Proto-Germanic===
All case endings are fully dropped, Genitive and Dative are marked through affixes, nominative and accusative are marked through vowel harmony.


==Etymology==
==Etymology==
The language name derives from the same source as German [[wikt:Deutsch|Deutsch]], [[wikt:Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/þiudiskaz|þiudiskaz]]. The English name is in reference to a cultural aspect of the people, their unusually large reverence for Ravens, they place an oddly high importance on Ravens even for a Germanic tribe.
The language name is a compound of teudo and suomi, teudo being from Proto-Germanic *þeudō, and suomi from the identical Finnish word, it would translate as "Germanic's Finnish"


==Phonology==
==Phonology==
===Orthography===
===Orthography===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Orthography
|+ Early Modern
! IPA
! IPA
! colspan="2" | Letter
! colspan="2" | Letter
|-
|-
! /ɑ, æ/
! /ɑ, æ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ä, a || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | a, ä || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /d/
! /d/
| style="border-right: 0;" | d || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | d || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /ɤ, e/
! /e/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ë, e || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | e || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /f/
| style="border-right: 0;" | f || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /g, gʷ/
! /h/
| style="border-right: 0;" | g, gv || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | h || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /h, hʷ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | h, hv || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /i/
! /i/
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| style="border-right: 0;" | j || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | j || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /k, kʷ/
! /k/
| style="border-right: 0;" | k, kv || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | k, || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /l/
! /l/
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|-
|-
! /n/
! /n/
| style="border-right: 0;" | n || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | n, *m || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /o, ø/
! /o, ø/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ö, o || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | o, ö || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /p/
! /p/
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| style="border-right: 0;" | r || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | r || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /s, ʃ/
! /s/
| style="border-right: 0;" | s || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | s, f¹ || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /t/
! /t/
| style="border-right: 0;" | t || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | t, *d || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /u, y/
! /u, y/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ü, || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | u, y || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /ʋ/
! /ʋ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | v, b || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | v, || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
|}
|}


'ṿ' is often used in educational texts to help distinguish from a consonant cluster.
* letters with '*' are only pronounced that way at the end of words, done as a way to preserve etymology.
 
# retained for etymology, 'g' may be /g/ in loan words, f may be /f/ in loans, b is identical to 'v' except in loans (where it may be /b/)
 
* Many times letters will be marked when pronounced in a non-native way in loans, usually with a dot or acute, so 'ġ', 'ḃ', and 'ḟ'.


===Consonants===
===Consonants===
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! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless bilabial stop|p]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless bilabial stop|p]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar stop|t]], [[w:Voiced alveolar stop|d]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar stop|]], [[w:Voiced alveolar stop|d]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], [[w:Voiced velar stop|g]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]]
|-
|-
! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless labiodental fricative|f]]
| colspan="1" |  
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless glottal fricative|h]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless glottal fricative|h]]
|-
|-
! [[w:Approximant consonant|Approximant]]
! [[w:Approximant consonant|Approximant]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced labial approximant|ʋ]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced labial approximant|ʋ]]²
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced alveolar lateral approximant|l]], [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced alveolar lateral approximant|l]], [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" |
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# allophone of /n/ before /k/
# allophone of /n/ before /k/
# allophone of /n/ before //
# Can be pronounced as /w/ or /v/ and be understood by natives ( I pronounce it as /v/ since I can't quite get /ʋ/)
# allophone of /s/ before velars and at word ends


===Vowels===
===Vowels===
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|-
|-
!  
!  
! colspan="4" | [[w:Front vowel|Front]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Front vowel|front]]
! colspan="4" | [[w:Back vowel|Back]]
! colspan="2" rowspan=2 | [[w:Back vowel|back]]
|-
|-
!  
!  
! colspan="2" | [[w:unrounded vowel|unrounded]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:unrounded vowel|<small>unround</small>]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:rounded vowel|rounded]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:rounded vowel|<small>round</small>]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:unrounded vowel|unrounded]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:rounded vowel|rounded]]
|-
|-
!
! [[w:Close vowel|close]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
|-
! [[w:Close vowel|Close]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|i]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|i]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|iː]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|y]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|y]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|yː]]
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|u]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|u]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|uː]]
|-
|-
! [[w:mid vowel|mid]]
! [[w:mid vowel|mid]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|e]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|e]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|eː]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|ø]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|ø]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|øː]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back unrounded vowel|ɤ]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back unrounded vowel|ɤː]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|o]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|o]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|oː]]
|-
|-
! [[w:Open vowel|Open]]
! [[w:Open vowel|open]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æ]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æ]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æː]]
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑ]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑ]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑː]]
| colspan="1" |
| colspan="1" |
|-
|-
|}
|}
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===Phonotactics===
===Phonotactics===
===Morphophonology===
===Morphophonology===
==Morphology==
==Grammar==
Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '<sup>?</sup>' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.
===Morphology===
===Pronouns===
====Pronouns====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=2 | first<br>person !! colspan=2 | singular  
| {{term|muk}} || {{term|mük}}
| i
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|unk}} || {{term|ünk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|uns}} || {{term|üns}}
| vir
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=2 | second<br>person !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|tuk}} || {{term|tük}}
| tuu
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|unk}} || {{term|ünk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|juur}} || {{term|jüür}}
| juur
|-
|-
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
! rowspan=6 | third<br>person !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
| {{term|ur}} || {{term|ür}}
| ir
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|suu}} || {{term|süü}}
| sii
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ut}} || {{term|üt}}
| it
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
| {{term|uur}} || {{term|üür}}
| iir
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|ijaar}} || {{term|ijäär}}
| ijaar
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijö}}
| ijo
|-
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}}
| se
|-
|}
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Colloquial personal pronouns
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative
|-
! rowspan=2 | first<br>person !! colspan=2 | singular
| minä
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| me
|-
! rowspan=3 | second<br>person !! rowspan=2 | singular !! formal
| Te
|-
! colspan=1 | familiar
| sinä
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| te
|-
! rowspan=2 | third<br>person !! colspan=2 | singular
| hän
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| he
|-
! colspan=3 | reflexive
| se
|-
|-
|}
|}


===Nouns===
Gender marking has become relatively rare in everyday speech, while additional affixes for it do exist, they're treated as unnecessary unless the distinction is important to the given information.
All stems merged under a stemless form marked with vowel harmony and suffixes, this greatly reduced system makes the grammar arguably simpler than an analytical system due to how severely basic the inflectional system is.


====Nouns====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+  
|+  
! !! colspan=2 | Masculine !! colspan=2 | Feminine !! colspan=2 | Neuter
! colspan=3 | Grammatical
|-
! !! Singular !! Plural !! Singular !! Plural !! Singular !! Plural
|-
|-
! Nominative  
! Nominative  
| -ar || -ai || -o || -aar || -an || -o
| -
|-
|-
! Accusative
! Accusative
| -är || -äi || -ö || -äär || -än || -ö
| -/-n
|-
|-
! Dative
! Genitive
| -äümär || -äümäi || -äümö || -äümäär || -äümän || -äümö
| -n
|-
! Partitive
| -(t)a/-(t)ä
|-
! colspan=3 | Locative (internal)
|-
! Inessive
| -ssa/-ssä
|-
! Elative
| -sta/-stä
|-
! Illative
| -an, -en, etc...
|-
! colspan=3 | Locative (External)
|-
! Adessive
| -lla/-llä
|-
! Ablative
| -lta/-ltä
|-
! Allative
| -lle
|-
! colspan=3 | Essive
|-
! Essive
| -na/-nä
|-
! Translative
| -ksi
|-
! colspan=3 | Marginal
|-
! Instructive
| -n/-in
|-
! Abessive
| -tta/-ttä
|-
! Comitative
| -ne-/-në-
|-
|-
|}
|}


Genitive is marked through '-n', it's added after the conjugation stem, so the Genitive nominative of 'rust' would be 'rustarn'
For more detail see [[wikt:Appendix:Finnish declension|Appendix:Finnish declension]]
 
====Verbs====
Verb declensions haven't changed much, the dual has fell out of use outside of formal situations, where even there it's rare, the dual is sometimes still used casually for couples, like 'they're walking together (as partners)' is {translation here}


===Verbs===
====Adjectives and Determiners====
===Adjectives and Determiners===
Adjectives and determiners use the same declension as nouns except a very small difference, an infixed '-i-', so 'rusty' would be '*rustiar' (actually 'rustag'), this has no etymological origin, instead being added as a countermeasure to keep nouns and adjectives from declining, and thus appearing, identical.
===Adverbs===
===Numbers===


==Syntax==
====Adverbs====
===Constituent order===
====Numbers====


===Noun phrase===
===Syntax===
===Verb phrase===
====Constituent order====
===Sentence phrase===
===Dependent clauses===


==Example texts==
====Noun phrase====
====Verb phrase====
====Sentence phrase====
====Dependent clauses====
 
==Texts==
I will put short snippets of texts here as a preview with the full text being linked under the snippet.
===Beowulf Sentence 1===
===Beowulf Sentence 1===
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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! Language !! Sentence 1 of  Beowulf
! Language !! Sentence 1 of  Beowulf
|-
|-
| English || Indeed (or 'Yes!')! We of the Spear-Danes, in days old, had our great kings who discovered the glory of what that man's courage could do.
| English || Indeed! We Spear-Danes, in days old, had great kings who heard of the glory of what that man's courage did.
|-
| Old English || Hwæt! wē gārdena in geārdagum þēodcyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
|-
|-
| Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
| Early Modern || hvat! me gairdien yn järdiä teudkunungarien trum gafreegun, hvo to atulungaret aljana framjanivat.
|-
|-
| Ravenish ||  
| Pronunciation || hʋɑt me kɑi̯r.die̯n yn jær.diæ̯ teu̯d.ku.nuŋ.ŋɑ.rie̯n trun kɑs.reː.kun hʋo to ɑ.tu.luŋ.ŋɑ.ret ɑl.jɑ.nɑ srɑm.jɑ.ni.ʋɑt
|-
|-
| Pronunciation ||  
| colspan=2 style="text-align: center;" | [[Modern Ravenish/Beowulf|Full text]]
|}
|}