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<poem>
fa:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, sjə̤jl, tʰwəm, fwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
coda -l deleted
fa:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨw, sjə̤j, tʰwəm, fwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
-wC, -jC simplify to -C
fa:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨw, sjə̤j, tʰwəm, fwɨt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
f- > h-
ha:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨw, sjə̤j, tʰwəm, hwɨt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
yes
vowel shift?
yes
monophthongization!
ha:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mu:, sje: (breathy), tʰwəm, hwɨt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
at least 4 is not mul smile emoticon
i can't bother tracking vowel length in korean
it's not phonemic for me
well you told me it is a few days ago grin emoticon
it isn't phonemic for many, many people
so vowel length just disappears
could it cause a tone split?
as in Cuatham, but a different one
let's make the long vowels high or rising tones
so high, mid, low and rising
low could be falling
low < breathy
as in cuatham
high, mid, falling, rising
yes
mid could be slightly mid falling
falling = high falling
so it's like upside down Mandarin
or maybe not
vowel length should just disappear
ham, djə̤-S, njək, mu, sje̤, tʰwəm, hwɨt, ljə̤t, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
t->ɭ
yes
l- > ɾ-
yes
ham, djə̤-S, njək, mu, sje̤, tʰwəm, hwɨɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
wɨ?
is that a korean diphthong?
that should become something else
as it's not a korean diphthong
a
or wa
grin emoticon
what about wɨ > ə or wə?
wɨ -> we
nope
e + any final doesn't sound sino-korean
wɨ > o?
ham, djə̤-S, njək, mu, sje̤, tʰwəm, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
no, that's 7
8 should be 렯
final ㅂ = breathy tone?
it could be one way
that wouldn't work tho
for open syllables
some more initial simplification
it's normally h but 렯 for 8 is an exception
hahaha
I see what you did there
여덟
tj-, !j-, sj > tɕ-, |-, s-
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰwəm, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kjə-S
kjə doesn't looks sino-korean
kje? ki? ka?
what about khjə?
nââââeeeuw
why?
idea: schnueher could be the sino-korean jokelang
that has all the missing syllables that should be there
켜다 • (kyeoda) (infinitive 켜어, sequential 켜니)
(…을) To light an oil lamp or candle; strike a match or lighter  [quotations ▼]
(…을) To turn something on  [quotations ▼]
but it's not sino
that's why
yeo, nyeo, ryeo, jeo, cheo are sino
not byeo or gyeo
maybe I should palatalize kj
nope
i need things like gye
and gyo (as in hakgyo 'school')
that's not schnueher tongue emoticon
what about
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰwəm, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
yes
tʰwəm doesn't sound sino-korean either
what do you mean 퉘
thəm?
what about wə > wa first
thwam
then what about 권 as in 태권도
but under that assumption
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰwam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
use quell
syllables that are -wol, -won in sino-korean are things like -jwet, -jwen in middle chinese
anyway
then wa > a after labials and coronals
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
isn't it a giblang so you can use nonexistent syllables?
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, kə-S
ham, dʑə̤-S, njək, mu, se̤, tʰam, hoɭ, ɾjə̤ɭ, pʰjə̤p, gə-S
함, 저, 녁, 무, 세, 탐, 홀, 렬, 볍 (not in sino-korean), 거
</poem>
==Phonology==
Inspired by Sino-Korean (rimes) and Irish (initials).
===Initials===
{| class="greentable lightgreenbg" style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle;"
|+'''{{PAGENAME}} initials'''
! colspan="2"|
!Labial
!Alveolar
!Coarticulated
!Velar
!Uvular
!Glottal
|-
! rowspan="2"|Nasal
! | <small>voiceless</small>
|'''sm, bpr''' /m̊/
|'''sn, dtr''' /n̊/
|'''đŧr''' /ŋ̊!/
|'''gcr''' /ŋ̊/
|
|
|-
! | <small>voiced</small>
|'''m, mb''' /m/
|'''n, nd''' /n/
|'''nđ''' /ŋ!/
|'''ng''' /ŋ/
|
|
|-
! rowspan="3"|Stop
! | <small>tenuis</small>
|'''p''' /p/
|'''t''' /t/
|'''ŧ''' /ǃ/
|'''c''' /k/
|
|'''Ø, fh''' /ʔ/
|-
! | <small>aspirated</small>
|'''pr, hp''' /pʰ/
|'''tr, ht''' /tʰ/
|'''ŧr, hŧ''' /ǃʰ/
|'''cr, hc''' /kʰ/
|
|
|-
! | <small>voiced</small>
|'''b, bp''' /b/
|'''d, dt''' /d/
|'''đ, đŧ''' /ɡǃ/
|'''g, gc''' /ɡ/
|
|
|-
! rowspan="2"|Fricative
! | <small>aspirated</small>
|'''f, ph''' /f/
|'''s''' /s/
|'''sc, ŧh''' /ɧ/
|'''ch''' /x/
|
|'''h, th, sh''' /h/
|-
|-
! | <small>voiced</small>
|'''bh, bhf, mh''' /v~w/
|'''ns''' /z/
|'''nsc, đh''' /ɧ̬/
|'''dh, gh''' /ɣ/
|
|
|-
! rowspan="2"|Liquid
! | <small>voiceless</small>
|
|'''sl''' /l̥~ɾ̊/
|
|
|'''sr''' /ʀ̊/
|
|-
! | <small>voiced</small>
|
|'''l''' /l~ɾ/
|
|
|'''r''' /ʀ/
|
|}
===Rimes===
Lifted from Sino-Korean; spelled like Revised Romanization. Unlike in Sino-Korean, almost any initial-rime combination is allowed.
==Grammar==
===Nouns===
Nouns inflect for two cases, nominative and genitive. The genitive derives from the Ancient Wiebian dative.
====Definite article ''an''====
{| class="greentable lightgreenbg" style=" text-align: center;"
|-
! style="width: 90px;" | Number
! colspan="2" style="width: 200px;" | Singular
! colspan="2" style="width: 200px;" | Plural
|-
! style="width: 90px;" | Gender
! | Masculine
! | Feminine
! | Masculine
! | Feminine
|-
! Nominative
| ''an'' || ''an''-L || ''na''-N || ''na''-L
|-
! Genitive
| ''an''-H || ''na''-L || ''na''-H || ''na''-N
|}
{| class="greentable lightgreenbg" style=" text-align: center;"
|-
! style="width: 90px;" | Number
! colspan="2" style="width: 200px;" | Singular
! colspan="2" style="width: 200px;" | Plural
|-
! style="width: 90px;" | Gender
! | Masculine
! | Feminine
! | Masculine
! | Feminine
|-
! Nominative
| ''an cì''<br/>''an áek'' || ''an fyéong''<br/>''an yèon'' || ''na gcì''<br/>''na n-áek'' || ''na fhyéong''<br/>''na yèon''
|-
! Genitive
| ''an hcí''<br/>''an h-àek'' || ''na fhyéong''<br/>''na yèon'' || ''na hcì''<br/>''na h-áek'' || ''na bhfyéong''<br/>''na n-yèon''
|}
[[Category:Pfeunic languages]][[Category:Wiebic languages]]

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