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Should be a development of sung bardic poetry
Should be a development of sung bardic poetry
 
=== Counter-Remonition ===
Tuning: Fixed pitch instruments are tuned to several superimposed copies of 5 to 10 note 5-limit JI scales? Steal some stuff from Indian shrutis?
Tuning: Fixed pitch instruments are tuned to 5 to 10 note subsets of 2 chains of Pyth fifths separated by 5/4, commas are sometimes intentionally used
 
2 chains of Pyth fifths separated by 5/4, commas are sometimes intentionally used


Fixed pitch instruments are not really a thing except for the cláirseach and some wind instruments
Fixed pitch instruments are not really a thing except for the cláirseach and some wind instruments
=== Maqam-influenced era? ===


== Remonitionist music ==
== Remonitionist music ==

Revision as of 19:54, 12 February 2022

One theme: non-common practice uses of 12edo, 5-limit JI, meantone, or diatonic edo tunings

Irish classical music

"If Irish/Scottish folk music is the same as in our timeline what would Irish elite music be like"

Should be a development of sung bardic poetry

Counter-Remonition

Tuning: Fixed pitch instruments are tuned to 5 to 10 note subsets of 2 chains of Pyth fifths separated by 5/4, commas are sometimes intentionally used

Fixed pitch instruments are not really a thing except for the cláirseach and some wind instruments

Maqam-influenced era?

Remonitionist music

Remonitionist music is an alternate evolution of our Renaissance music. The style that arises from the First Remonition is a neo-medievalism, but Second Remonitionist music is much more meditative and chanting/intoned singing-based. Christian music is the same as in our timeline up to the First Remonitionist Reformation in the 16th c.

Should be heavily influenced by Buddhist cultures by the end of 2nd Remonition

First Remonitionist music

Irta Baroque

A neo-medievalist movement, "what if Baroque used 17edo/17wt"

Baroque dance suites in 17edo which use Baroque dance rhythms but not our Baroque harmony

2-part counterpart likes resolving to fifths and uses tons of Machaut cadences (Eb-G -> D-A, Ed-Gt -> D-A, E-G# -> D-A)

Prefers minor and Locrian for diatonic music; 17edo influences Tsarfati Jewish music somewhat too, explaining the use of Locrian in Cualandian Jewish nusachim

Ars nova nova

Second Remonitionist music

Extended LCJI theory arises within the Remonitionist tradition, from throat singing chanting traditions. Certain styles of music uses JI while certain styles are closer to authentically Crannish. In Crackfic Tricin, Remonitionist immigrants from Irta are responsible for much of Crackfic Trician JI and RTT tuning theory.

Corsican

Sean-nós style in Arabic maqams, called ānə in Corsican Arabic

New maqams

Some maqams named after Irish or Celtic places or scales in Irta Irish classical music

More maqams with Arabic names like "Rahat Al Arwah"

Irta Irish borrows maqām names (via Corsican Arabic, e.g. Ráthait ail-Airbhéath) and the term meagáim itself, and translates other maqam terms

Tsarfati

Tuning

Intonation often happens by ear and is not necessarily JI-based (cf. maqam music). Fixed pitch instruments use 1/4-comma meantone, 12-wt, 17-wt, 17edo (approximated by a stack of seventeen 25/24 semitones) or pyth depending on style and local tradition.

Cantillation

Liturgy uses diatonic modes:

  • Torah readings use Dorian
  • Haftarot use Aeolian
  • Non-Eicha Megillot use Mixolydian
  • Eicha uses Phrygian
  • Most blessings use Dorian
  • Some blessings and prayers use Lydian

Todo: Cantillation tropes

Folk music

Tsarfati Jewish folk songs are known as טאָנתּאן dontăn in Ăn Yidiș (singular טאָן don; cognate to Irish dán 'poem (among other meanings)'). They may be in Ăn Yidiș or in a macaronic mixture of Ăn Yidiș, Hebrew, and other languages. They have some traditional Hivantish and Irish elements but are unique. Like in our timeline, Hasidic Judaism is also an influence with its emphasis on dancing, devotion, and wordless melodies (but their niggunim sound lowkey Celtic or Hivantish rather than our timeline's Eastern European)

Instruments from Gaelic music:

  • pib-ilăn - uilleann pipes
  • fehăł (from in-universe OIr **fethal, from Early Romance *vitola) - fiddle
  • cłorșăch - a version of the Celtic harp, with a different design (If you say "Jew's harp" in Irta they'd likely think you mean this.)

Instruments from Hivantish music:

  • șeyņăł - kantele

Other instruments, often used in larger ensembles:

  • harpsichord -- a staple of Irta klezmer
  • organ

Modern cłorșăchăn are usually electro-acoustic.