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yes
yes


unless you want m->n as in mandarin
nope
Cuatham!
yes
also Ŧúabh Teatham Ŧathaigh
should I have Cl- for /Cw-/?
then what about /Chw-/
there's a problem
no... i don't think I want it
trbh- and trl- are not very irish
right now I have Cbh-
Cobh?
ok
or Cibh for slender consonants
An Dhobhàigh Cuatham
yes
looks a lot more Irish!
the irishy orthography might turn out to be even more bloated than the wiob one
which should be funny in-universe
yes
so what happens next?
va:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
va:m, djə̤-S, njə:j, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨw, ljə̤:, pʰjə̤w, kjə:-S
do you want to have glottalized tones?
yes
let's say
va:m, djə̤-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̤:Q, pʰjə̤wQ, kjə:-S
Q = glottalized tone
breathy syllables don't change their tone
yes
va:m, djə̤-S, njə:jʔ, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwʔ, ljə̤:, pʰjə̤w, kjə:-S
Or:
breathy syllables already shift to low tone
va:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̀jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
<v> doesn't look that irish
shift it to <f>?
yes
fa:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̀jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
fwɨwQ
fa:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨw, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
also z > s
then glottalization turns into an abrupt rise in tone
fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨw, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
V́ = mid rising,V̌ = low rising
yes
sorry
fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨ́w, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
fwɨ́w has mid rising tone
yes
then a vowel sandhi
i don't like fwɨw
wouldn't fwu: be better?
yes!
fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwul, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
let's systematize as i don't like sjə̀jl either
fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
ɨj/ɨw/əj/əw/aj/aw -> i:/u:/e:/o:/ai/au
mwu:l?
njə́:j should assimilate
njéi
fa:m, djə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
ɨ:j/ɨ:w/ə:j/ə:w/a:j/a:w -> i:/u:/ei/ou/ai/au?
maybe
this takes us back
in a way
to Wiob!
but they're not the same vowels
are you satisfied with the last vowel sandhi rule?
í ú aoigh obh aigh abh?
yes
or éigh eobh
yes
after slender consonants
fa:m, djə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjǒ:, kjə:-S
now, the Great Clickification!
yes
we've worked it out already
fa:m, gǀə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, ʘʰǒ:, cə:-S
njé:j has a click grin emoticon
fa:m, gǀè:-S, ŋǀé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ʎě:, ʘʰǒ:, ce:-S
ə: > e: after slender consonants
before the clickification
yes
and o: after broad consonants?
now it's more like clickified irish than mandarin
o: after Cw
just add the séimhiú's and urú's and you effectively have Khoisan!
e: after Cj
yes
e: after Cjw
Fáilte chuig Ŧúabh Teatham Ŧathaigh!
Ŧú Teatham Ŧathaigh?
cinnte!
vowels shorten in closed syllables?
perhaps not
Thai style
how do I write these now
fa:m, gǀè:-S, ŋǀé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ʎě:, ʘʰǒ:, ce:-S
if I have both vowel length and tone
well there's a problem
idea: tone split!
or:
long a,e,i,o,u = adha, ...
Dhobhàdhaigh?
yes grin emoticon
Fhaghamhadhaighris
wow so Fhaghamhadhaighris
crazy
maybe not
i like your tone split idea
i have mid tone, low tone, mid rising tone > high tone, low rising tone
yes
let's make some falling tones
mid tone > mid falling
fhaghamhadhaghafhaghadhamhaighidhighris
is that how it should be written in universe
kidiyeoreum grin emoticon
?!?
means "i'm kidding"
high tone + long v > high falling
ahr
mid tone + long v->mid falling?
yes
low tone+long v->still low
or "ngã" tone?
sorry
low rising + long v > falling broken tone
nặng
no that would be hỏi
yes
what about low+long vowel?
let's make that hoi
we could have some bhlaoighniúil
low+long vowel -> falsetto -> high!
how falsetto
or low + long vowel > low rising
what makes me think it's plausible?
so we have a 7 tone system
(falsetto)
the sound gets so low that people start using only a part of their vocal folds to project the sound instead
low + long.mp3
lol that's funny
yes that's what i was thinking of!
still 7 tone system
yes
let's merge the low and mid falling tones
yes
mid, low, high, low rising, high falling, falling glottalized
yes!
that was unexpected bhlaoighniúileacht
basically thai + nặng
yes
or maybe not
merge the low rising and mid tones
mid, low, high, mid falling, high falling, falling glottalized
so how would the -th- genitive work here
you work it out grin emoticon
mid > low
low > low
high > low or high
mid falling > high
high falling > high
falling glottalized > high
yes
nice blaoighniúileacht
let's just call it blaoighnity
much shorter
high > low or high is interesting
so we have declensions!
which are not revealed in the spelling
how should the tones be marked
fleibenschwankenschraft
a à á â
adha àdha ádha âdha
maybe not?
mid tone: ŧra
low tone: ŧrà
high tone: ŧrá
mid falling: ŧradha
basically your suggestion
it'll work
low falling: ŧràdha
i mean falling glottalized
high falling: trádha


high from falsetto: ŧrâdha
high from falsetto: ŧrâdha
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