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The 3rd person, or proximate, object marks foreground or central referents, usually the first one or the most animate/possessing one mentioned soon after it. while the 4th person, or obviative, object refers to background or peripheral referents. The third person and the fourth person combine as 3+4=3, and when parts of a proximate plural is taken out, the first noun phrase to be taken out is the new 3rd person.

~~:'''''~~Hezūŋasré Kolnosimáttmē ie Ŋirchâ né jégléch ħēdāthénne, mežî ramlēsré né žlómalkámth ~~kanílsnū~~ skőtálg zîm ŋídâ vo nassams{{blue|ŧû}}.~~'''''~~

{{gloss

~~:''~~The North Wind and the Sun disputed as to which was the most powerful and agreed that he should be declared the victor who could first strip a way-faring man of his clothes.''

|phrase = Hezūŋasré Kolnosimáttmē ie Ŋirchâ né jégléch ħēdāthénne, mežî ramlēsré né žlómalkámth kanílsnuhu skőtálg zîm ŋídâ vo nassams{{blue|ŧû}}.

|IPA=/hèzuːŋasreꜜ kòlnosimattꜜmeː ìəŋirxaꜜa néjeglexꜜ ħèːdaːθenꜜne mèʒiꜜi ràmleːsreꜜ néʒlomalkamθꜜ kànilꜜsnuhu skóːtalg zíꜜim ŋídaꜜa vònassamst͡ʃuꜜu/

|morphemes = he-zūŋ-asré Kolnosimáttm-ē ie Ŋirch-â né=jégléch ħēdāth-énn-e, mežî raml-ēsré né=žlómalk-ámth k<an>íls-nuh-u skőtálg zîm ŋídâ vo=nassams-{{blue|ŧû}}

|gloss = IPFV-dispute-IPFV.3/4PL.M North.Wind-DEF.SG and Sun-DEF.SG COMPZ=which.one powerful-COMP-ATTR.M.SG, then agree-PFV.3/4PL.M COMPZ=win.see-PASS.JUSS.3SG take.off<ACT.PTCP>-CAUS-3/4SG.M>DEF.SG/CONJ traveller first ably DAT=clothing-{{blue|4SG.M>DEF.PL}}

|translation=The North Wind and the Sun disputed as to which was the most powerful and agreed that he should be declared the victor who could first strip a way-faring man of his clothes.}}

Because the traveler (''skőtálg'') is an obviate referent, his clothes are referred to as ''nassams{{blue|ŧû}}'', with the fourth person possessor, not nassams{{blue|û}}, which would refer to "the North Wind's clothes".

Because the traveler (''skőtálg'') is an obviate referent, his clothes are referred to as ''nassams{{blue|ŧû}}'', with the fourth person possessor, not ''nassams{{blue|û}}'', which would refer to "the North Wind's clothes".

The span governed by a discourse topic varies widely among writers; while earlier writers maintained a strict distinction between proximate and obviative reference in narrating events, later writers preferred a much shorter span, often only a single sentence, thereby reducing the scope of the obviative system to that of a topic-focus system.

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 The 3rd person, or proximate, object marks foreground or central referents, usually the first one or the most animate/possessing one mentioned soon after it. while the 4th person, or obviative, object refers to background or peripheral referents. The third person and the fourth person combine as 3+4=3, and when parts of a proximate plural is taken out, the first noun phrase to be taken out is the new 3rd person.
-:'''''Hezūŋasré Kolnosimáttmē ie Ŋirchâ né jégléch ħēdāthénne, mežî ramlēsré né žlómalkámth kanílsnū skőtálg zîm ŋídâ vo nassams{{blue|ŧû}}.'''''
+{{gloss
-:''The North Wind and the Sun disputed as to which was the most powerful and agreed that he should be declared the victor who could first strip a way-faring man of his clothes.''
+|phrase = Hezūŋasré Kolnosimáttmē ie Ŋirchâ né jégléch ħēdāthénne, mežî ramlēsré né žlómalkámth kanílsnuhu skőtálg zîm ŋídâ vo nassams{{blue|ŧû}}.
+|IPA=/hèzuːŋasreꜜ kòlnosimattꜜmeː ìəŋirxaꜜa néjeglexꜜ ħèːdaːθenꜜne mèʒiꜜi ràmleːsreꜜ néʒlomalkamθꜜ kànilꜜsnuhu skóːtalg zíꜜim ŋídaꜜa vònassamst͡ʃuꜜu/
+|morphemes = he-zūŋ-asré Kolnosimáttm-ē ie Ŋirch-â né=jégléch ħēdāth-énn-e, mežî raml-ēsré né=žlómalk-ámth k<an>íls-nuh-u skőtálg zîm ŋídâ vo=nassams-{{blue|ŧû}}
+|gloss = IPFV-dispute-IPFV.3/4PL.M North.Wind-DEF.SG and Sun-DEF.SG COMPZ=which.one powerful-COMP-ATTR.M.SG, then agree-PFV.3/4PL.M COMPZ=win.see-PASS.JUSS.3SG take.off<ACT.PTCP>-CAUS-3/4SG.M>DEF.SG/CONJ traveller first ably DAT=clothing-{{blue|4SG.M>DEF.PL}}
+|translation=The North Wind and the Sun disputed as to which was the most powerful and agreed that he should be declared the victor who could first strip a way-faring man of his clothes.}}
-Because the traveler (''skőtálg'') is an obviate referent, his clothes are referred to as ''nassams{{blue|ŧû}}'', with the fourth person possessor, not nassams{{blue|û}}, which would refer to "the North Wind's clothes".
+Because the traveler (''skőtálg'') is an obviate referent, his clothes are referred to as ''nassams{{blue|ŧû}}'', with the fourth person possessor, not ''nassams{{blue|û}}'', which would refer to "the North Wind's clothes".
 The span governed by a discourse topic varies widely among writers; while earlier writers maintained a strict distinction between proximate and obviative reference in narrating events, later writers preferred a much shorter span, often only a single sentence, thereby reducing the scope of the obviative system to that of a topic-focus system.