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2. When speaking '''of''' someone: | 2. When speaking '''of''' someone: | ||
* If the listener is likely to not know who the person spoken of is, the full three parts of the name are used, usually with ''yamei'', a title (''lāma'', ''tanta'', ''suntam''), and usually the profession too (e.g. ''Martayināvi yamei murkadhāna Læhimausa lāma''), but no titles are used (only optionally ''yamei'') if they're of a lower rank — for example a teacher speaking about one of his/her students to another teacher; | * If the listener is likely to not know who the person spoken of is, the full three parts of the name are used (but sometimes the surname is omitted), usually with ''yamei'', a title (''lāma'', ''tanta'', ''suntam''), and usually the profession too (e.g. ''Martayināvi yamei murkadhāna Læhimausa lāma''), but no titles are used (only optionally ''yamei'') if they're of a lower rank — for example a teacher speaking about one of his/her students to another teacher; | ||
* If the person spoken of is respected (of higher rank), then the appropriate formula is used the first time they're mentioned, then the norm is to use a shorter form - in this case, a form like ''yamei Læhimausa murkadhāna'' is accepted, while it is not when speaking directly to that person. The higher rank that person is, usually the longer it takes to completely shift to a shorter form — e.g. while the Great Inquisitor will not be referred to every time as ''nanū aveṣyotāra lallāmaha Hæliyoušāvi yamei Dhīvajhūyai Lairė camimurkadhāna lāma'', it will not probably get shorter than ''nanū aveṣyotāra yamei lallāmaha'' ([Her] Respectable Most Excellent Highness) or ''nanū aveṣyotāra lallāmaha camimurkadhāna'' ([Her] Most Excellent Highness, the Great Inquisitor); | * If the person spoken of is respected (of higher rank), then the appropriate formula is used the first time they're mentioned, then the norm is to use a shorter form - in this case, a form like ''yamei Læhimausa murkadhāna'' is accepted, while it is not when speaking directly to that person. The higher rank that person is, usually the longer it takes to completely shift to a shorter form — e.g. while the Great Inquisitor will not be referred to every time as ''nanū aveṣyotāra lallāmaha Hæliyoušāvi yamei Dhīvajhūyai Lairė camimurkadhāna lāma'', it will not probably get shorter than ''nanū aveṣyotāra yamei lallāmaha'' ([Her] Respectable Most Excellent Highness) or ''nanū aveṣyotāra lallāmaha camimurkadhāna'' ([Her] Most Excellent Highness, the Great Inquisitor); | ||
* If the person spoken of is of equal rank, in a polite context they'll be referred to with ''tanta'' (the usual title for equal grades), or ''lāma''; | * If the person spoken of is of equal rank, in a polite context they'll be referred to with ''tanta'' (the usual title for equal grades), or ''lāma''; | ||