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:So, reading Faux' words, I couldn't help but try analysing them... I got this "Come you.pl, take you.pl-me. sanctify-not-I-this; house-thy burn-may-???, friend-pl-your.pl to_eat-may-??? needles.". | :So, reading Faux' words, I couldn't help but try analysing them... I got this "Come you.pl, take you.pl-me. sanctify-not-I-this; house-thy burn-may-???, friend-pl-your.pl to_eat-may-??? needles.". | ||
Tu is indeed correct in this case. More idiomatic phrasing: ''Meleekaa palgakaatust!'' (Come-pl take-pl-me-and). The correct "May thy houses burn down" would be ''tausainikä ruusiestinän'' as 3pl is ''-nän''. The final sentence is almost correct though, besides the {{sc|2pl}} on both the verb and possessed noun, and some oddities in the formation of the optative (use the stem, not infinitive). I'd use ''Magaestinän koerinikä aegastin.'' for "May thy friends eat needles". IL is wrong though, Valian is predominantly SVO (with optional VSO sometimes) so it could not be "may needles devour friends" in any case. I mention the predominant word order in | :Tu is indeed correct in this case. More idiomatic phrasing: ''Meleekaa palgakaatust!'' (Come-pl take-pl-me-and). The correct "May thy houses burn down" would be ''tausainikä ruusiestinän'' as 3pl is ''-nän''. The final sentence is almost correct though, besides the {{sc|2pl}} on both the verb and possessed noun, and some oddities in the formation of the optative (use the stem, not infinitive). I'd use ''Magaestinän koerinikä aegastin.'' for "May thy friends eat needles". IL is wrong though, Valian is predominantly SVO (with optional VSO sometimes) so it could not be "may needles devour friends" in any case. I mention the predominant word order in | ||
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:In any case, the subject generally precedes the object (as seen in ''taevaten' '' from ''taevatenu'' which can be broken down to ''taeva-te-nu'' sanctify-{{sc|1sg.sbj}}-{{sc|3sg.obl}}" | :In any case, the subject generally precedes the object (as seen in ''taevaten' '' from ''taevatenu'' which can be broken down to ''taeva-te-nu'' sanctify-{{sc|1sg.sbj}}-{{sc|3sg.obl}}" | ||
:But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST) | :But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST) | ||
IL was only wrong retroactively, since I editted it. Though that's the worst kind of wrong; the kind where I have to cheat to make sure of it. I was looking for "and". 3pl would be "may their" if I'm not mistaken, -kaan is 2nd pl which is "may your houses burn down]That will let me amend it; | |||
Melekaa, Palgakaatust. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan magaanestinänst koerinikä aegastin. | |||
You definitely pulled off the Estonian look well. It looks like the wierdest thing I typed and I wrote up Cwengâr--[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 23:11, 3 September 2013 (CEST) | |||
:-kaan is a non-existent form in Valian (try CTRL-F on the Valian article, I did XD), I think you're confusing and mixing the imperative {{sc|2pl}} ending (thinking of it as a singular and adding -n) with the other endings. The person endings for all tenses, moods and voices regarding the second person plural are: -keen (pres.), -känna (past.), -keen (optative), -kaa (imperative), -kas (passive), -kassi (passive future/conditional).--[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 01:43, 4 September 2013 (CEST) | |||
== What's the point of the gender == | |||
Does ''anything'' (adjectives? verbs? pronouns? discourse particles?) agree by the noun's gender in Valian? [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 23:21, 14 May 2014 (CEST) | |||
::I've been thinking about that! It's one of the many questions to resolve when I sit down and write a proper grammar :p --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 05:16, 15 May 2014 (CEST) | |||
You better otherwise you don't have nay gender really [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 06:09, 15 May 2014 (CEST) | |||