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==Orthography==
==Orthography==
{{cardo|TESTING ðſʒ ct fi ff st ß sz ſs ſt tz ts ð̃ ð̋  ðs̃ ð₃ ðª ðº ð‘ ðʿ ð̱ ð̨  ð` eqvvs eqws eqvus EQWS EQVUS EQVVS<br />
''ðſʒ ct fi ff st ß sz ſs ſt tz ts'' <br />
'''ðſʒ ct fi ff st ß sz ſs ſt tz ts '''}}
{{gentium|TESTING ðſʒ}}
* Use of Old Portuguse habits such as superscript n (e.g. ano > ão for a crude example).
* Use of Old Portuguse habits such as superscript n (e.g. ano > ão for a crude example).
* Use of long-s (ſ) in clusters and various ligatures. E.g. ſs (ß), or even make that ſʒ (and similarly ts > tʒ).
* Use of long-s (ſ) in clusters and various ligatures. E.g. ſs (ß), or even make that ſʒ (and similarly ts > tʒ).
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==Possible Example==
==Possible Example==
"Eſʒaðes vus, qvalleri, bróðvm ã ẽa tabla? Saiaðe ð̃ eſʒ nõ eſt treivs, ð̃ ríðeri vã armaða, cneiti vã rei, eſʒãt bróðvm dereite úſʒ cvcĩa sîe fraĩia".
{{cardo|"Eſʒaðes vus, qvalleri, bróðvm ã ẽa tabla? Saiaðe ð̃ eſʒ nõ eſt treivs, ð̃ ríðeri vã armaða, cneiti vã rei, eſʒãt bróðvm dereite úſʒ cvcĩa sîe fraĩia".}}
 
{{cardo|"Eſʒaðes vus, qvalleri, bróðvm ã ẽa tabla? Saiaðe ðs̃ eſʒ nõ eſt treivs, ðs̃ ríðeri vã armaða, cneiti vã rei, eſʒãt bróðvm dereite úſʒ cvcĩa sĩe fraĩia".}}


"Are you, cavaliers, eating bread on a table? Say that it isn't true, that horsemen of the army, servants of the king, are eating bread directly from the kitchen without asking".
"Are you, cavaliers, eating bread on a table? Say that it isn't true, that horsemen of the army, servants of the king, are eating bread directly from the kitchen without asking".
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* stress patterns established with acute? What about ríðeri? ríðerus, ríðarius? Hmmm... I like riðarius, quallarus also works I guess. Equarius, is that a legit word? (jevarius? eparius?)
* stress patterns established with acute? What about ríðeri? ríðerus, ríðarius? Hmmm... I like riðarius, quallarus also works I guess. Equarius, is that a legit word? (jevarius? eparius?)
* cucina, cocina, coqvina or what?
* cucina, cocina, coqvina or what?
* make ã merged with at etc into à or á as a catch all preposition, and make uvar/sovre/super the "on" preposition? Or maybe just "op"?
* make ã merged with at etc into à or á as a catch all preposition, and make uvar/sovre/super the "on" preposition? Or maybe just "op"? Maybe super > svper > sṽ > "su".
* Even though it's written ð̃, possibly in other less frequent cases ð > d, like in OHG. Thus only intervocalic d should become ð.
 
=Eccletic Texts=
Too lazy to write a coherent grammar. Other people can just imagine it based on these texts, surely.
 
==War - Bellvm==
*{{cardo|For allvm õder cielvm nos féitãvm devémus}}
::''For all under heaven, we must fight'' (motto?)
*{{cardo|Cneiti : soldati, riðeri, eqvetes, eqvari}}
::''Knights: soldiers, riders, master of horses, horsemen'' (proto-thesaurus entry?)
==Misc==
*{{cardo|Dẽx roſʒvlvs qvemat roſʒeau et roſʒl ; l' corda citéʒanalia [..] úſʒã torvani vorða eſʒant[..] séʒant ðs̃ ella nõ svnt nova.}}
::''Out of "rossulus" came "rosseau" and "rossl"; the citizenry's hearts [..] but [torvan]s eat words [..] [they] say that they are not new.'' (reflection on language change or regionalisms, possible register differences?)
 
=Possible contemporaneous languages (is that even a word?=
==Strange Germanic Tongue==
*{{cardo|cneita, cneitour ; qvéno, qvénou, qvenour ; lãda, ląda, landour ; naita, neitour ; courda, courdour ; déa, dézour}}
*{{cardo|neit, neitour ; qvén, qvénour ; land, landour ; nait, naitour ; courd, courdour ; dé, dézour}} ~ knight, dame, land, night, heart, day?
*{{cardo|jour, diour}} ~ animals?
*{{cardo|tourva, tourvour ~ tourf, tourvour}} ~ town
*{{cardo|maida, maid, mait, maidour, maido, maidou}} ~ boy, girl?
*{{cardo|teï-lovour}} ~ [te]y-leaves?
 
=Maybe a greek something somewhere?=
*{{cardo|κνειτα, κνειτωρ -- κυηνου -- λαδα}}
*{{cardo|ουομινε, βενα, λανδον, νοχτις}}

Latest revision as of 13:16, 12 March 2015


Orthography

TESTING ðſʒ ct fi ff st ß sz ſs ſt tz ts ð̃ ð̋ ðs̃ ð₃ ðª ðº ð‘ ðʿ ð̱ ð̨ ð` eqvvs eqws eqvus EQWS EQVUS EQVVS
ðſʒ ct fi ff st ß sz ſs ſt tz ts
ðſʒ ct fi ff st ß sz ſs ſt tz ts TESTING ðſʒ

  • Use of Old Portuguse habits such as superscript n (e.g. ano > ão for a crude example).
  • Use of long-s (ſ) in clusters and various ligatures. E.g. ſs (ß), or even make that ſʒ (and similarly ts > tʒ).

Phonology

  • Undergo changes remniscent of Western Romance languages. E.g. himmilaz > emmel, embla; braudą > broða (> brueða?); stuppa > stoppa > estuepa OR stuppa > estopa?

Vocabulary

  • Loan in a whole bunch of words from Latin that aren't normally loaned in. E.g. equus > equa, jeva?
  • Caballus > kvalla > qvalla; qvallaria, qvallera(s).

Grammar

  • Loan in some inflections from Latin/Romance for prestige. E.g. -atis > -aðes/-eðis; maybe -us for -a and -a for -o:?
  • Figure out prepositions.

Possible Example

"Eſʒaðes vus, qvalleri, bróðvm ã ẽa tabla? Saiaðe ð̃ eſʒ nõ eſt treivs, ð̃ ríðeri vã armaða, cneiti vã rei, eſʒãt bróðvm dereite úſʒ cvcĩa sîe fraĩia".

"Eſʒaðes vus, qvalleri, bróðvm ã ẽa tabla? Saiaðe ðs̃ eſʒ nõ eſt treivs, ðs̃ ríðeri vã armaða, cneiti vã rei, eſʒãt bróðvm dereite úſʒ cvcĩa sĩe fraĩia".

"Are you, cavaliers, eating bread on a table? Say that it isn't true, that horsemen of the army, servants of the king, are eating bread directly from the kitchen without asking".

POSSIBLE CHANGES:

  • -aðes and -aðe merge
  • de replaces or takes over some of the role of vã
  • sĩe > sĩ?
  • le, l' introduced as definite article?
  • stress patterns established with acute? What about ríðeri? ríðerus, ríðarius? Hmmm... I like riðarius, quallarus also works I guess. Equarius, is that a legit word? (jevarius? eparius?)
  • cucina, cocina, coqvina or what?
  • make ã merged with at etc into à or á as a catch all preposition, and make uvar/sovre/super the "on" preposition? Or maybe just "op"? Maybe super > svper > sṽ > "su".
  • Even though it's written ð̃, possibly in other less frequent cases ð > d, like in OHG. Thus only intervocalic d should become ð.

Eccletic Texts

Too lazy to write a coherent grammar. Other people can just imagine it based on these texts, surely.

War - Bellvm

  • For allvm õder cielvm nos féitãvm devémus
For all under heaven, we must fight (motto?)
  • Cneiti : soldati, riðeri, eqvetes, eqvari
Knights: soldiers, riders, master of horses, horsemen (proto-thesaurus entry?)

Misc

  • Dẽx roſʒvlvs qvemat roſʒeau et roſʒl ; l' corda citéʒanalia [..] úſʒã torvani vorða eſʒant[..] séʒant ðs̃ ella nõ svnt nova.
Out of "rossulus" came "rosseau" and "rossl"; the citizenry's hearts [..] but [torvan]s eat words [..] [they] say that they are not new. (reflection on language change or regionalisms, possible register differences?)

Possible contemporaneous languages (is that even a word?

Strange Germanic Tongue

  • cneita, cneitour ; qvéno, qvénou, qvenour ; lãda, ląda, landour ; naita, neitour ; courda, courdour ; déa, dézour
  • neit, neitour ; qvén, qvénour ; land, landour ; nait, naitour ; courd, courdour ; dé, dézour ~ knight, dame, land, night, heart, day?
  • jour, diour ~ animals?
  • tourva, tourvour ~ tourf, tourvour ~ town
  • maida, maid, mait, maidour, maido, maidou ~ boy, girl?
  • teï-lovour ~ [te]y-leaves?

Maybe a greek something somewhere?

  • κνειτα, κνειτωρ -- κυηνου -- λαδα
  • ουομινε, βενα, λανδον, νοχτις
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