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| Default message aside, thanks for dropping by! There is no intrusion, only welcoming! ;) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (CET)
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| == Design ==
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| I always liked the blue-ish button theme. They are quite awesome.
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| On another note, I like the idea embodied in your draft for a new logo, although I can't say I really approve of the Castellar font. It feels a tad out of place. I appreciate the Latinate origin of the word and the connection with the font family of Roman style letters but I don't know. Castellar and Trajan don't feel particularly welcoming to me. Perhaps something more modern but still classy? Adobe Caslon Pro is quite similar to Castellar in its capital shapes and conveys class without straying into dusty old books territory… hmm
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| besides that, I think it's quite classy without being cheesy (like the current one, lol) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (CET)
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| Hm, it seems it changed the three first bottom lowercase examples to the same font. Ah, sigh.
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| - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:17, 8 November 2012 (CET)
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| Oh dear! Couldn't find a bigger one could you?
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| I actually suspected you wouldn't, I suppose that's obvious from your personality. I am not sure about the current one though... My aesthetic senses itch when I see it...
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| But I'm sure I'll come up with something that you'd prefer!
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| Éstas, ¿qué te parecen: [[:File:Linguifex 2.0.png]] y [[:File:Linguifex 3.0.png]]?
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| [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 22:31, 8 November 2012 (CET)
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| Oh! Qué decisión más difícil. Tertia versio tua oculos meos delectat. Tranquilitassecuritasque incarnat, inquit Chrysophylax. Placetne tibi ista "Castellar"? Fortasse tibi placebit altera versio cum capitalibus? Si Caslon tibi displicet alteram scripturam invenire possumus.
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| - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:52, 8 November 2012 (CET)
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| : So I temporarily switched the site logo to the th ird one you suggested to see how it felt with the site layout. I think it looks ''lagom snyggt''. Vad tycks? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:02, 8 November 2012 (CET)
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| Me alegra que si.Non mihi placet valde multum, malo tertia versio, et non credo alteram versionem cum capitalibus mihi placeam. Ignosce linguae meae...
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| Μου αρέσει, αγκαλά είναι άσημι, εγώ θέλω κάτι πολύ... framträdande. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 16:27, 9 November 2012 (CET)
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| :: Mégan semeiophoron hemeteron theleis; Hmm... fortasse tibi litterae factae cum coloribus in nomine nostro placebit? sý ʿara tó theleis; egō ʿellenika tēn glōssan oʾu fēmi :( - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:47, 9 November 2012 (CET)
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| ::: Aha! '''''ʿeureka!''''' What about a more framträdande förstasida? Det vill säga, Main_Page skulle kunna ha något mer imponerande som en banner. You know, something that says awesomeness and is visually attention-grabbing. I'd personally prefer it on the first page than always drawing your attention like the irk…wikia-logo. What do you think of this? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:50, 9 November 2012 (CET)
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| Oooh, that's a very archaic Greek. I'll avoid writing it then. Colours.... Well, not exactly to recommend in a logo... And yes of course! You wouldn't know because you can't read minds, but I am actually sketching on a front page right now, and yes, it'll draw attention! And by the way... 08? Allvarligt talat? Stön... ;P --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 00:19, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| :Well, the only Greek I've ever taken is Ancient Greek (which I'm in the process of commencing to learn. My grasp of it is proto-proto-proto-existent.) I must admit, I'm not a very successful Roman aristocrat, what with my limited command of the ''noblest of tongues''. Thus, I propose to temporarily abandon the old sermones for some English! As we've seem to have done already.
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| :''Hehehehe''. True, colours tend to look a bit nasty in logos. I think the logo looks quite nice with the recently changed skin though. What do you think? Also, I've started fixing up Dhannuá here, seeing as its one of the most developed languages I have on paper (technically Word/PDF documents scattered over my harddrives) but yes, irrelevant rambling aside, it's good to see some ''corpus'' developing. Your Attian has me most intrigued!
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| :On another note, have you heard anything from anyone on the Wikkii-wiki? Nothing against your company (it's most enjoyable! :D) but it sure does feel a little empty. That, and I'd be elated if more people actually started using this, because if there's one thing I like almost as much as conlanging itself, it's reading about well-thought out conlangs! /sad phylax.
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| : Vadan denna antipati mot caput nationis? ;)
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| : - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 02:11, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| The only Greek I have extensively studied is Modern. Other, archaic forms were sort of included... At least it is better than my Latin, which I can only read properly. Excellent, you've switched to Vector as well? Or have you somehow standardised it, because if you have, my preferences tell the sote to override any other skin... And you know I like Dhannuá! It is very aesthetic, and very faithful to its Indo-European heritage! Why thank you!
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| Well, we conjecture that the hurricane Sandy is to blame for the down-time, as it seems to have coincided fairly well with the date Wikkii went down. I don't really have the contact info on anyone on wikkii except the admins, and MOB has been alerted where this wiki is. :D He'll probably come join us!
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| Let's just say I prefer the framsida before the baksida... ;P Will you have more time to edit today? [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 07:46, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| :Ah, I see! And yes, vector is the new standard until someone overrides it. Thanks for the praise. ^^. And ah, sadness. And, I might later, much later today. I have to attend certain events tonight… but bis bald! - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 17:36, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| ==Imports==
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| How are you importing stuff? Google cache? '''[[User:PMOB|<span style="color:red;">Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán</span>]]''' 19:04, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| Actually, I don't think code's possible to import by Google cache... :/ I just used wikia for the documentation templates. For Nāmic as well (which made it slightly unupdated). We could give it a try at the caches though. [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:17, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| No, the source code is messed up but it's still better than nothing. I don't think anything significant will have been lost but anything that is is still annoying. '''[[User:PMOB|<span style="color:red;">Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán</span>]]''' 19:40, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| I suppose. I'm sure the site will get back to its usual self eventually, but I do find this site better, more reliable. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:56, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| I read through some comments online and people that have contacted Wikkii have had no response - but I hope you're right. I don't know how he would know but Rostov said the data aren't lost. '''[[User:PMOB|<span style="color:red;">Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán</span>]]''' 20:07, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| I did that as well, on Facebook. I am fairly sure they wouldn't just shut down it all. Well, he wouldn't. There's a strong indication though, that loosing the data when the server collapses seems to be rather uncommon. Granted that the server comes back online, that is... [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 20:16, 10 November 2012 (CET)
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| == Chromaesthetics ==
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| Purple. Blue. Orange.
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| Also, on another note, are we doing away with the "Create a language"-box on the main page? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 03:22, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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| Would you mind getting a blue administrator sphere then? :D Of course not, as I said: a '''very''' preliminary draught of a Main page.
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| By the way, would you mind not answering my messages to you on my talk page? :P It gets rather cluttered, I think! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 12:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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| : Apologies, I should've continued the conversation on my own talk page per convention. I understand the cluttered argument fully :P… I get confused when I haven't slept well. A blue administrator sphere would be cool. Is purple out of the question though? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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| Of course, I understand! Hehe, well, I think that if EmperorZelos'd come back, he'd have a lot stronger feelings about that colour than you... :P Your choice though! Nevertheless, the code for a signature like the one administrators' had on Wikkii is: <nowiki>[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' </nowiki> Which looks like this: [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color:#3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]'''
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| <br/>--[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 20:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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| :Ah. I see. What with that emperor title. Hmpf... If he does not object to sharing the colour (after all: ''In omnio anno rei publicae duo consules fuerunt, qui in toga picta vestiebantur'') I'd opt for purple myself. Purple is the colour of magistrates after all. If he would be completely averse to sharing then… we shall have that discussion when/if it comes. ;) But hey, thanks for awesoming up the wiki! That admin symbol is quite impressive too. Thanks for it :)
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| :Btw, I saw you added some links to en.wiki…, so I added some shtuff to the db. '''''w:''''' should work for interwiki linking. - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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| I don't know whence the name, actually... :/ ''Sí, sí, supongo que si.'' Let's just say that he's not very big on sharing... I can't think of any awesoming so far...! I've imported one or three templates, categorised a bit. But I do think it'd be fun should you use the admin symbol! It gives us a bit of consitency! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 22:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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| Hi :3 Just imported loads of stuff [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:49, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| Hi there! Välkommen! :D Excellent, I'll give you a hand. Don't forget to consult the domain owner! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 19:42, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| THere is alot of work to be done but of course we'll talk to the guy :P He is an admin aswell now and got a voice. [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Purple;">Zelos</span>]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:05, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| and my signature doesnt work! [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| You're signature's messed up... :/ Well, I'll walk around change some details, content and organise the naming of the templates (new project of mine). I'll work on a better Main page as well. Also, the Random word feature doesn't work. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 20:09, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| how do I fix the signature? I tried yours and my old one, fucking fails!
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| And good, and it doesnt because he hasn't installed some basic features. once he does it should work [[User:EmperorZelos|'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:10, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| Finally! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 20:12, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| Ehm, I left a piece of code on Billy's talk page, which he used? Are you sure you've got the "wikitext" square checked? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 20:13, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| I got it resolved now.
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| we'll get around to it, we need new front page, new icon, new everything.
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| == Poetry ==
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| Just thought you ought to know that your [http://waahlis.deviantart.com/#/d5jkmvg For a Girl in the Messinese language] inspired me to translate a couple of poems into Zamoran a week or so ago :P '''[[User:PMOB|<span style="color:red;">Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán</span>]]''' 22:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)
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| Why thank you! I'm glad people like that one! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 08:00, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| == New Extensions ==
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| The gnomes have added [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Slideshow_(Javascript) Slideshow]. I seem to recall you using it somewhere, so I figured you'd appreciate it [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| A proper forum (see [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiForum Extension:WikiForum]) is coming. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| This is going to kick ass [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 08:02, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| "Is it a plain? No. Is it a bird? No. Is it Batman? No. - '''It's the Extender!'''"
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| "Extenders - on dvd the 27th of November."
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| And oh yes, Zelos, it will! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 08:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| I have already suggested additional extensions that can and will be useful to us, one is MP3 playing so we can have audio recordings :D [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 08:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| {{User:Chrysophylax/tools/summon|User_talk:EmperorZelos#Userboxes|Chrysophylax}}
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| Hi Waahlis! I'm SPARTAN-004, from the DA Conlang group. Thanks for the heads-up on the table formatting, I've been struggling with it all day because I'm quite new to HTML editing. :) [[User:Darthme|Darthme]] ([[User talk:Darthme|talk]]) 03:44, 8 January 2013 (CET)Darthme
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| Hey Waahlis! :P I saw your message and came over. How has it been? I've been caught up in school, so I'll try to come here periodically. Anything I need to know? <br/>[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|<sup>/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/</sup>]] 21:38, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| Hi CL! I'm glad you made it! It's been fine, not very much conlanging, though.. :P You? :) I don't think so... We're still trying to set the place up - I am currently organising the templates (which takes ages...) and I'm going to make a new Main page! Since you're good at coding, you could help Chysophylax and Zelos if you want? :) Other than that, just keep calm, fix your lang and be social! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 22:30, 13 November 2012 (CET)
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| I'll see what I can do coding-wise; my codes are written a little strange. But here I can learn from professionals! I can also help with transferring comlang over; when you start, just message me.
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| If you want to I can help organize the templates with you; I'm kinda an organization freak. XD But on a serious note, I don't mind organizing stuff, so if you want me to help, just say so. I know it can get a bit boring. :) <br/>[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|<sup>/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/</sup>]] 21:09, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| P.S. sorry if I use ":P" too much; I try to limit myself a lot on doing it. If I didn't, you'd see it a lot more. :P
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| Well, I'm not a coding angel either... I just pick things up and survive... :/ Well, right now, coding isn't that much of an issue, I believe. However, importing the comlang would be great, including if you could import the archives for it then! :D
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| On the organisation; yes, please I would like help! The others aren't much for that kind of thing, and I need all the help I can get! I'll fix a few rules for you to follow if you're interested! :D
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| And as you see, I've got no problem with smilies - I think they give informal texts a bit of nuance! ;) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 21:19, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| I'm interested in organizing. Not to be demanding, but, I would the rules of what I can or can't do and a list of to do's as soon as you can get around to writing them; I'm bored out of my mind right now. :P Thanks for letting me help. X) <br/>[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|<sup>/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/</sup>]] 21:34, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| Of course. Thing is, I recall you're American, and whilst it's daytime in the US, it's starting to get late here in Sweden... :P Could I get it for you 'till tomorrow? :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 21:55, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| And I should have thought of that to. :/ Yeah, you can get it to me tomorrow. :)
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| <br/>[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|<sup>/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/</sup>]] 22:00, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| Seeing as you're the apparent leading in-house scholar on Indo-European languages I'd like to ask you for some thoughts regarding this most anciente and wickede variant of Classical Dhannuá.
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| The translation ends up something like: "'I Lúthais, say of that, that dánaizian tongue that they speak in the eastern isles, that it is another sister of the tongue of Lúsan. They have changed for themselves r for z and other strange things."
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| Oh dear, where dd you get that from? :P Flattering, though!
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| Let's see... from ''Bhōzōiōm'' from *bʰeh₂, then ''peri'' from *peri... Why voice*h₁és(e)t(i) to ''izd''? Also, I suppose the "she" and "they" are feminine demonstratives? Maybe you could gloss that differently? Also, the ''Lannarīzānd'' is not that transparent to me...! Amazing language, truly! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 20:39, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| :change/twist/distort are the defs. of the verb ''lanniad''. Thus while literally "they have twisted for themselves" I translated it as changed. And regarding sa/sei: the pronoun system in Dhannuá is quite "broken". The s- forms appear to have taken over, so while the plural sei appears to be from **seh₂i it is not. (the feminine plural is ''sai''). It's instead poor *toi becoming likened to *seh₂i and thus giving sei. Just in case you wonder about the dative in -d; the Dhannuán dative is technically a mischung of the IE ablative with its -d, inherited from thematic -ōt, and the true dative in -ōy.
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| I'll fix the weird glossing. I had forgot that demonstrative pronouns were called for, it seems. It's obvious that's what should be there. xD ANyhow, regarding Lannazānd, I wouldn't have caught it had you not pointed it out. Doing things purely in the head is quite uhh, brain-hurting after a while. Thanks :D [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 23:25, 14 November 2012 (CET)
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| I just appreciate the semantic shift from "conjoin" to "twist"... :P And 'tis completely understandable with a dative derived from an ablative. The cases are a bit different to those of Attian - ''agentive'', ''patientive'', ''instrumental'' and ''locative''. It is sometimes difficult to handle so few and odd cases - I miss the old school Indo-European ones... :( [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 21:53, 15 November 2012 (CET)
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| Au moment, je me suis cache par un véritable tas de devoirs. J'aimerais bien transférer ma langue ici mais ça va être longue-temps avant que je me suis libre à faire ce là.
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| Je vous espère de la bonne chance pendant ce temps,
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| --[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 08:28, 19 November 2012 (CET)
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| Bienvenue, Fauxlosophe! J'espère que tout va bien avec vous! Bien sûr, c'est comprehénsible. Si vous voulez, nous pouvons le fair à la place?
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| Et je vous espère de la bonne chance et santé aussi, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 08:57, 19 November 2012 (CET)
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| Ça serait bien mais j'avais fait plusieurs changements depuis wikkii c'est mise en rade, donc ce qui est là est un peu dépassé.
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| --[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 18:08, 19 November 2012 (CET)
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| == Privacy policy==
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| Skype? [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 00:46, 24 November 2012 (CET)
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| I think he has none [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 08:55, 24 November 2012 (CET)
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| But I do, but I do. Chrysophylax, thing is that everything on that page is hopelessly obsolete and only applicable to Wikkii websites. It is all to be changed, but I figured you'd be most adept to do it. Surely there's nothing that needs explanation to me, nor justification. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 09:28, 24 November 2012 (CET)
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| Gimme your skype then :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 13:12, 24 November 2012 (CET)
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| I haven't been as active as I've wanted because of RL obligations and instant messaging is a tad difficult here so in case you need me for something, here's my Skype : http://pastebin.ca/BlEwSZUN the password being the username of our dear gfx-designing admin (big W). Link is valid for 1 hour. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 19:47, 24 November 2012 (CET)
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| Heehee, one hour, that was optimistic... :P Whilst I am normally a very chatty and social person, I am not very inclined to give up too much of myself. I could make an exception if it were something exceptionally grave though? What is it that you want me to opine on? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 11:07, 25 November 2012 (CET)
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| The greatest question humanity has ever deviced [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 11:29, 25 November 2012 (CET)
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| Why are there so much vandalism lately? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 07:35, 10 December 2012 (CET)
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| == Hano ==
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| The [[Hano|page]] is currently marked and risks deletion for "Patent nonsense". Isn't that a tad harsh and incorrect? I mean, I do not see in which world
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| would be classified as gibberish. I concede the page being quite incomplete and relatively inactive (last edit by author was back in November) but I feel strongly that section G.1 is not applicable here for which I have reverted your edit. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 19:55, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| Excellent, it attracted attention. No need to be so overly formal. I'm fully aware of the content, extent and significance of the policy, as I wrote it myself. The reason I put the indeed erroneous message at the top of the article was to attract a fellow user's attention, as well as the policy lacking coverage. The article of [[Hano]] seems to be experiencing some sort of technical error, and the complete content is displaced to the left.
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| As you merely contested my application of G:1 on the page, I presume you did not notice? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 21:15, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| ''Weird.'' I am not seeing any content displacement to the left. The only thing that is left-shifted as far as I can see is the Language-info bar, which appears to be a common error/minor nuisance when dealing with content imported from wikkii using that specific format. I apologise if my tone came off as cold. At times, I may express myself in ways which may be seen as very formal by some, something for which I have no way of dealing with presently. It just happens. Then again, I presume there is a measurable amount of compensation when I indulge in smiley usage and/or "LOLZ". On another point, have you been studying guerilla marketing or something? ;-). So yeah, I did not notice any severe content displacement. I am currently using Version 23.0.1271.95 of Google Chrome on Windows 7. As this is a WebKit-based renderer, it is possible that the displacement issue is not present in my browser. What are you using? [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 21:25, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| I have no problem with formality whatsoever, I just considered it uncalled for. I am extremely sensitive to tone and register in both writing and speech, so the fault is partly mine. Guerilla marketing, how do you figure? XP
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| Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird. I'll try other browsers. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 22:37, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| Okay, I can reproduce the error in IE9. What the heck… [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 22:38, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| Exactly. Surely it must be a flawed template of sorts. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 23:02, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| I figured it was that template. Luckily, I'm working on an alternative. A more delicate template: [[User:Waahlis/Template:Classing]] Keep in mind aligning doesn't seem to work t'all. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 23:10, 12 December 2012 (CET)
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| Hej! Excuse me if I disappear sometimes!!! I imagine you can understand me, moreover I've had to learn to use Linux, as I've abandoned Windows to use Ubuntu XD I wanted to wish you a "gott nytt år, full av drömmar och tillfredsställelse!" :)
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| I'm just reinventing my ex-Tardesco language: now I'm mixing Ancient Greek and Brythonic, because I've found a uchrony that shifts Greece in our Great Britain ;)
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| Later I'll post something about. [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 17:00, 02 January 2013 (CET)
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| Felice anno nuovo! Oh, don't worry! It has been rather lonely around here lately anyway... That sounds overly complicated! XD Well thank you! ''Detsamma!'' (A very useful Swedish phrase by the way - we say it all the time)
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| Oh, II liked Tardesco! Hmm... Mixing Greek and Brythonic wouldn't be my first choice, but you do seem to like your Northen European languages. :p I'm sure it will be great, since you're very productive!
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| [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 20:37, 2 January 2013 (CET)
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| It has been quite empty on the wiki lately though... :/ Du, vad betyder D-F för dig egentligen? :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 21:53, 2 January 2013 (CET)
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| D står för Douche och F är ett ord för någonting annat för att skapa en enhetligt ord som skulle kunna tolkas som en förolämpning men som jag säger med all välmening :D
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| Självklart...! :P Hehe, hos oss har DF alltid betytt ''dumfan'' nämligen... :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 22:19, 2 January 2013 (CET)
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| "D står för Douche och F är ett ord för någonting annat för att skapa en enhetligt ord som skulle kunna tolkas som en förolämpning men som jag säger med all välmening" >> "D stays for Douche and F is a word for something else to create a homogeneous word that could be interpreted as an insult but that I say with a complete good intention". Is my translation right? XD With you I could practice my skills :P Gott nytt år på dig också, Emperor ;)
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| Thanks for your corrections, Wåhlis :) Sometimes I forget genders, even if in Swedish you have two only :) I post something now, then I'd like to know if you like my experiment ;) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 00:57, 03 January 2013 (CET)
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| Basically, it was a great translation! You've got to say if you want meto stop correcting though, it isn't always appreciated! :P Yeah, there are systems for the gender, but they are rather abstract. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 15:19, 3 January 2013 (CET)
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| I '''love''' when you correct me! I have to learn Swedish well, because in May I'll try to get A2 certificate Swedex :) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 15:56, 03 January 2013 (CET)
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| Haha, ''utmärkt''! I do get bad conscience when I correct people... 'Tis a Swedish thing I suppose. :/ Wow, that sounds really good, but it actually doesn't tell me anything... ;p Also, as you've probably noticed, we are quite many Swedes around, so you'll get your chances to practise! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 14:37, 4 January 2013 (CET)
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| It is a kind of Swedish TOEFL ;) Naturligtvis måste jag studera, för att erhålla den attest där! I've seen that here there are '''almost only''' Swedes! I begin to think that conlanging is a spread free time activity in Sweden!!! [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 15:05, 04 January 2013 (CET)
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| ==Waahlis' Swedish lesson I==
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| TOEFL? XD Ironically, yes! Even though interest for languages other than English is cool at best, a fair amount seem to be conlanging. It probably has to do with Swedish artistic freedom. :/ Especially since Swedes' knowledge of grammar is close to non-existent. Education in grammar was almost completely forsaken during the 70-ies and 80-ies, and most people don't know what a subject is, nor what linguistics is... :/
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| Also, welcome to''' Waahlis' Swedish lesson I''' - please be seated and I will tell you a few things a bout the definite article in Swedish!
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| *Swedish has 2 independent definite articles, one neuter and one uter (common) - ''det'' and ''den''. The definite articles more or less correspond to that of Italian, Spanish and English.
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| *However, there is more to it - as you probably know, there are two enclitic articles as well, ''-et'' and ''-en'', both conveying the same meaning.
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| *''Jag ser den mannen'' - "I see the/that man"
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| Oh, my Gods! You have been really³ helpful and gentle with me! I've read it all :) I didn't know that one could say ''{{green|jag ser den mannen}}'', I knew only ''{{green|jag ser mannen}}'' and ''{{green|jag ser denna mann}}'' (quite formal, true?). I wanted to say "that certificate" and I've written ''{{green|den attest där}}'' ahahaha! Once again I've thought a bit "germanly": ''{{green|den där attesten}}'' > ''{{green|den attest där}}'', with a semantical element at the end! So I have seen that I have to use both articles when I want to say "this" or "that": '''{{green|jag slår de där pojkarna}}''' or '''{{green|jag älskar den här flickan}}''', right? In the case of '''{{green|någon/t ser så ut}}''' I understand now that my error could be a case of hypercorrectism: German syntax is the same ('''{{green|jemand/etwas sieht so aus}}'''), so I have unconsciously thought to vary this order!!!
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| With the right premises probably I would ask you to marry me! Ahahahaha ;) ''{{green|Skämt åsido}}'', you've been incredibly gentle and ''{{green|ljuvlig}}''! [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 17:42, 04 January 2013 (CET)
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| I'm glad I could help - I don't get the chance very often... :P And it's nice to have someone to discuss these things with! You've been very tolerant with my ranting and do have a sense of humour! Most Swedes are rather boring...! (But could you please avoid the word ''{{red|ljuvlig}}''? I get shivers from it for personal reasons... :P) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 18:53, 4 January 2013 (CET)
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| Ahahahah! Shivers? Really?! I didn't know it, please excuse me! Maybe I've been too informal when I've used that word. I've loved to read and learn from a muttersprachler :) It's useful :) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 00:44, 05 January 2013 (CET)
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| Es que tengo una tía que siempre usa la palabra... Y ella jamás me ha encantado. Por eso la palabra ''ljuvlig'' ha recibido connotaciones... ¡Y no te preocupes - no podías saber! ¡Por supuesto, si tienes preguntas, solamente habla conmigo! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 08:26, 5 January 2013 (CET)
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| ¿Te he dicho ya lo bien que me caes? :) Sí, sí que te preguntaré, tengo un montón de cosas por preguntarte ;) Estoy usando un libro que se llama ''{{green|Form i fokus A}}'', ¿lo conoces? [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 14:18, 05 January 2013 (CET)
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| ¡Jaja, sí, ya me has dicho! ¡Por supuesto es completemente mutuo! :) Excelente, si no se pregunta, nada se aprende! Hmm, lo reconozco, pero no recuerdo que lo he leido o visto... :/ [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 16:35, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| == Waahlis' Swedish lesson II ==
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| Hej, tutor! Hur har du det? Jag hoppas bra :) Tendría una pregunta por hacerte, como tú eres tan disponible conmigo. Yo digo (y escribo):
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| "Den stora mannen" is how it should be, the rest is fine. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 17:35, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| ››› Entonces, si eligimos un adjetivo, por ejemplo ''{{green|stor}}''. Primeramente, el adjetivo se declina a '''cuatro''' géneros. Normalmente, sueco tiene dos géneros (neutro y utro/real), pero solamente aplica a sustantivos... Los adjetivos tienen los géneros masculino, femenino, neutro y utro. Masculino y femenino son géneros reales, y se use con pronombres y hombres. La forma feminina es idéntico de la forma utra, y todas las formas plurales coinciden y son idénticas.
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| * ''{{green|Den stora kvinnan}}''
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| ››› Adjetivos son dependientes del género, pero también sintaxis.
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| Adjetivos '''atributivos''' son adjetivos en que precede un sintagma nominal, y se declinan diferente si es definito o indefinito:
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| * ''{{green|En stor kvinna}}'' - ''{{green|Den stora kvinnan}}''
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| * ''{{green|En stor man}}'' - ''{{green|Den store mannen}}''
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| * ''{{green|En stor hand}}'' - ''{{green|Den stora handen}}''
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| * ''{{green|Ett stort bord}}'' - ''{{green|Det stora bordet}}''
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| * ''{{green|Flera stora kvinnor/män/händer/bord}}'' - ''{{green|De stora kvinnorna/männen/händerna/borden}}''
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| Es '''obligatorio''' usar el artículo independiente (indefinito o definito), si el frase es episódico. En frases gnómicos en el plural; "mujeres grandes se encantan a hombres grandes" [sic...], se puede omitir pronombres indefinitos (''flera, många'').
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| * ''{{green|Stora kvinnor gillar stora män}}''
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| Adjetivos '''predicativos''' son adjetivos conectados con el sustantivo por un verbo copulativo. La declinación predicative es el mismo como el indefinito atributivo, y solamente hay does géneros. En sintagmas predicativos, el sustantivo siempre es definitivo (si no es gnómico).
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| * ''{{green|Kvinnan är stor}}''
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| * ''{{green|Kvinnorna/männen/händerna/borden är stora}}''
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| ››› '''Sumario'''
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| *Cuatro géneros (masculino, femenino, neutro y utro) en oraciones '''atributivos y indefinitos'''.
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| *Dos géneros en (neutro y utro) en oraciones '''predicativos'''
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| *Ningún género en el plural.
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| *Siempre usa los artículos definitivos y independientes.
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| **Frases gnómicos/genéricos son un excepción.
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| Espero que te ayude! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 18:00, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| :<nowiki>*hops in*</nowiki>
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| :I disagree Zelos, Swedish allows for you to use a different gender form of the adjective for male nouns. It is not commonly used but it isn't incorrect ''per se''. At least not in my lect.
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| :E.g. ''"Den store kungen Karl drog ut på fälttåg (…)"'' [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 18:06, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Como he escrito... ;) Using the masculine gender is gravely advisable in most Western Swedish dialects. Not Halländska though. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 18:12, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Notavi! Blev en liten edit conflict ;) Men jag tog med mitt svar ändå :P [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 18:43, 9 January 2013 (CET) psst. frase = (f.) en español & tots les mots qui finissent cum -ion sunt femin. (ex Latine - in tertia declinatione verborum sunt illa verba). Thus, "es la misma" non "es el mismo"
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| You are correct that the -e can be used but for normal general nouns it is rarely used. It is usually for heavy emphesis in an archaic sense. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 19:12, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| ¡¿Lo he escrito yo?! ¡Dioses, coregido (gazapo de mismo/a)! - ¡Ajá, ahora he encontrado la razón - había cambiado la palabra "sintagma" a "frase"! And Zelos, I would hardly call the masculine "archaic"... I use it at all times, and in the Gothenburg region, the uter/real coalesces pronunciation-wise with the masculine.[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 20:01, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Omnes habemus lapsus linguae :P [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 20:07, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Thank you! ¡Gracias! Danke! Tack så mycket! You all have been so gentle to me :) The prof. had effectively said that ''{{green|store/a}}'' can be used with real masculine gender nouns and that ''{{green|store}}'' is more formal than ''{{green|stora}}'' in this case, and that the last form is more used and spread. As always I compare Swedish to German and I've noticed that in German I don't decline the adjective in the predicative position, whereas I've seen that in Swedish I've to do it (even if I can only use common or neuter gender).
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| I didn't understand this matter :)
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| If the noun is not determined (I mean there aren't neither the independent article nor the enclitic one), then I have to use the "strong declension" of adjective (Swedish ''{{green|-Ø; -t; -a (plural)}}'', German ''{{blue|-er; -e; -es; -e (plural)}}'':
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| * ''{{green|(Ett) lit'''et''' barn}}'' = ''{{blue|(Ein) klein'''es''' Kind}}'',
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| if the noun is determined, then I have to use the "weak declension" of adjective (Swedish ''{{green|-e; -a}}'', German ''{{blue|-e}}''):
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| * ''{{green|Den lill'''a''' barnet}}'' = ''{{blue|Das klein'''e''' Kind}}.
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| In the predicative form ''{{green|Barnet är lit'''et'''}}'', '''{{green|barn''et''}}''' is determined, because there is the enclitic article, but I decline the adjective using the strong declension, as if it were referred to a not determined noun, whereas in German I say ''{{blue|Das Kind ist klein}}'', in this case I don't use the declension at all!
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| Therefore I have asked you this thing, I just didn't understand why in Swedish I have to use in any case the adjective declension if in a higher inflected language as German I don't have to use it in the predicative position :)
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| Jag hoppas att jag har varit klar :) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 21:29, 09 January 2013 (CET)
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| Because we are better than germans :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 21:33, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Because Swedish is more irregular than German. Then I understand what you mean, which wasn't obvious from the message! :P Well for the reason, you'll have to recall the underlying causes of inflection - German has preserved a gender inflection in both its nouns and adjectives - Swedish gender is a later construction with the enclitic articles ''-en'' and ''-et''. Only the masculine and plural are remains of our proper gender system. (Also, {{green|klar}} in Swedish means either ''transparent'' or ''done'', use {{green|tydlig}} instead! ;)) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 21:43, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Ahahahah! So: ''{{green|för vi är bättre än tyskar}}'', have I translated right, Zelos? :P Ahahahah, I know it seems strange, but I've begun to laugh as I've read your answer and I'm still doing it!!!
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| I've understood, Wåhlis :) All this is most interesting :) As I've studied Icelandic I've noticed that the enclitic article comes from the ancient demonstrative '''{{purple|hinn, hin, hitt}}''':
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| * ''{{purple|Hestur'''inn''' er skjótur}}'' > ''{{green|Hästen är snabb}}'';
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| * ''{{purple|Drottning'''in''' er fögur}}'' > ''{{green|Drottningen är vacker}}'';
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| * ''{{purple|Dýr'''ið''' er tamið}}'' > ''{{green|Djuret är tämjt}}.
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| Interesting, isn't it? Do you know that this has happened in Romanian too?
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| * ''{{red|Theatrum illum}}'' > ''{{orange|Teatru'''l'''}}'' (undet. ''{{orange|teatru}}'');
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| * ''{{red|Seram illam}}'' > ''{{orange|Sear'''a'''}} (undet. ''{{orange|seară}}'').
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| It is the only Romanic language that behaves this way that I know :) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]''' 22:52, 10 January 2013 (CET)
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| Yes, I intend to make a few tweaks to it tonight, after which we'll see. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 16:49, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Goodie. On another note; I've migrated the website server to another platform which let me activate a php cache system. This should improve the loading speed of the website :D It has been a bit too slow. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 16:55, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| :D Can we add java stuff soon too? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 17:27, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Java? Uh. Why would we want Java? Also, java applets are known for being extremely annoying with their signing and all. Why not use HTML5? [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 17:28, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| I don't know which but I would like to have wiktionary capability for contoinary to add stuff to the translations. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 17:35, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| :Ah, that's javascript as far as I know. It seems quite complex though to move that which is why I'm not completely sure on how to do it. We already have JS support on the website and all and support for gadgets (I think). So it should just be about copying the correct things. Perhaps someone on wiktionary could be kind enough to explain how to port it… [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 17:59, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Actually, I never noted the site as slow... :p On the technical stuff, I'll shut up. If you come into an argument with someone, maybe I'll be useful. :/ Firstly however, you should try fixing the navframe collapsible problem! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 18:04, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| I think it has do to with a logical error as in you can't hide the frame (collapse it) since it'll be invisible but if you hide the content you can't see the expand thingy… ahhh, I don't know. MediaWiki updated and made the old ways of collapsing stuff obsolete and now I'm sad. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 18:09, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| I'm sad as well... We should book a meeting/lunch/cozy evening with the people at wiktionary... :/ [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]''' 18:12, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Deviantart's introduced me to a new meme!
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| : I laughed. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 19:30, 9 January 2013 (CET)
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| Okay, I recognized stress, allophony, verb, and inflections. Give me a few days to read about the others on Wikipedia and I'll get back. However, I can talk about allophony right now: since it's not intended to actually be spoken by anyone, I don't see much need to work on it,and, as was pointed out, some languages have managed to make do without it. [[User:Mboso|Mboso]] ([[User talk:Mboso|talk]]) 18:32, 16 January 2013 (CET) | | Okay, I recognized stress, allophony, verb, and inflections. Give me a few days to read about the others on Wikipedia and I'll get back. However, I can talk about allophony right now: since it's not intended to actually be spoken by anyone, I don't see much need to work on it,and, as was pointed out, some languages have managed to make do without it. [[User:Mboso|Mboso]] ([[User talk:Mboso|talk]]) 18:32, 16 January 2013 (CET) |
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| Gå till DA [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 18:15, 12 January 2013 (CET)
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| Om än igen [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 17:20, 15 January 2013 (CET)
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| == RfA initiated 15/01/2013 == | | == RfA initiated 15/01/2013 == |