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i'm assuming the tones are like in Feisen
after the second creolization, Very Early Reber will have just 3 tones
falling, rising, low rising
much like the history of mandarin


Ø, t, s -> rising
f, v, l -> low rising
n, z, d, b -> falling
(the northern invaders supposedly influenced the language)
that means a lot of homophony which means a lot of compounding
yes
then the consonants
retros should be preserved (or should they merge with alveolars or uvulars?)
i might merge them with alveolopalatals
so it's a kind of Rebero-Feisic
Middle Wieb doesn't have alveolopalatals
they should merge
this is just the first stage
with alveolars
voiceless nasals merge with aspirated stops, retroflexes with alveolars, perhaps something happens to clicks as well
clicks simply soften!
so ! !h g! -> ɧ h ɧ̬
i prefer voiceless nasals > unaspirated stops
we need more of them
wine-whine merger, θ -> ɬ
ð -> ɮ
yes
now, the vowels!
the monophthongs shouldn't be much of a problem
the closing diphthongs are more problematic
aiC, auC, ...
i:a ja -> ia
> èC, òC
yes
aiɐ auɐ oyɐ -> eɐ oɐ øɐ
actually i:a ja je -> ia
u:a wa wo -> ua ...
yes
iaa, uaa, and üaa are separate
i don't think i have them anymore
ai au oy -> ei ou øy (and e o ø before consonants)
eɐ oɐ øɐ >  ɛː ɔː ɞː
no, i'll keep them
this is just the first stage
yes
the only click phoneme left is the nasal click
so:
m n ŋ! ŋ ɴ
p t k q ʔ
pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ
b d g ɢ
f s ɧ ɬ x χ h (ʂ merges with ɧ)
z ɧ̬ ɮ ɣ ʁ
w l
ʐ merges with ɧ̬
yes
vowels: ə: merges with ø:
again not sure about the vowels
so: ɑ e i o u y æ ø + long
+ ei ou øy iə uə yə ea oa øa
(i have to redo AW > MW vowel changes again)
the voicing pairs aren't homophones yet
now there are 32 consonants in Very Early Reber
there should be a merger in the set /ɧ x χ h/
to get from that to Early Reber, i'm thinking of these changes:
ŋ ~ ɴ
ɧ~χ
yes
x~h?
no
satemization?
yes!
that works
k q ʔ -> tʃ k q -> ʃ k q
or ɕ k q
ʔ > q: really?
yes
to make it more distinct
no thanks, i think i'll keep ʔ - or drop it
actually maybe middle wieb has ʡ
i think i want to drop initial ʔ like mandarin
or maybe not, if neck thai and terg both ahve initial ʔ
then, a breathy voice epidemic!
p pʰ b f -> p pʰ bʰ f -> b p p f
yes
that doubles the number of tones
to 6
maybe i'll just have tʃ tʃʰ ʃ
or just tʃʰ > ʃ
before the tone split
tS tSh dZ S Z (after satemization)
tS dZ S Z (after merger)
tS tSh S (after tone split)
or maybe not, they can make affricates just fine
tS tSh dZ S Z (after satemization)
tS tSh S (after tone split)
tie languages and terg both have them
Ø, t, s
f, v, l
n, z, d, b
yo, those tonal categories aren't valid for middle wiebian!
they're partially allophonic
so it's really tone blaoighnity when the split comes along
sounds good
then the 6 should merge into 4

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