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| unless you want m->n as in mandarin
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| nope
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| Cuatham!
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| yes
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| also Ŧúabh Teatham Ŧathaigh
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| should I have Cl- for /Cw-/?
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| then what about /Chw-/
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| there's a problem
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| no... i don't think I want it
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| trbh- and trl- are not very irish
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| right now I have Cbh-
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| Cobh?
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| ok
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| or Cibh for slender consonants
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| An Dhobhàigh Cuatham
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| yes
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| looks a lot more Irish!
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| the irishy orthography might turn out to be even more bloated than the wiob one
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| which should be funny in-universe
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| yes
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| so what happens next?
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:j, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨw, ljə̤:, pʰjə̤w, kjə:-S
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| do you want to have glottalized tones?
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| yes
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| let's say
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̤:Q, pʰjə̤wQ, kjə:-S
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| Q = glottalized tone
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| breathy syllables don't change their tone
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| yes
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:jʔ, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwʔ, ljə̤:, pʰjə̤w, kjə:-S
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| Or:
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| breathy syllables already shift to low tone
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| va:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̀jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
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| <v> doesn't look that irish
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| shift it to <f>?
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| yes
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̀jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
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| fwɨwQ
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨw, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
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| also z > s
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| then glottalization turns into an abrupt rise in tone
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨw, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| V́ = mid rising,V̌ = low rising
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| yes
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| sorry
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨ́w, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| fwɨ́w has mid rising tone
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| yes
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| then a vowel sandhi
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| i don't like fwɨw
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| wouldn't fwu: be better?
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| yes!
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwul, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| let's systematize as i don't like sjə̀jl either
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| ɨj/ɨw/əj/əw/aj/aw -> i:/u:/e:/o:/ai/au
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| mwu:l?
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| njə́:j should assimilate
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| njéi
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| ɨ:j/ɨ:w/ə:j/ə:w/a:j/a:w -> i:/u:/ei/ou/ai/au?
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| maybe
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| this takes us back
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| in a way
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| to Wiob!
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| but they're not the same vowels
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| are you satisfied with the last vowel sandhi rule?
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| í ú aoigh obh aigh abh?
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| yes
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| or éigh eobh
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| yes
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| after slender consonants
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjǒ:, kjə:-S
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| now, the Great Clickification!
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| yes
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| we've worked it out already
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| fa:m, gǀə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, ʘʰǒ:, cə:-S
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| njé:j has a click grin emoticon
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| fa:m, gǀè:-S, ŋǀé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ʎě:, ʘʰǒ:, ce:-S
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| ə: > e: after slender consonants
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| before the clickification
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| yes
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| and o: after broad consonants?
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| now it's more like clickified irish than mandarin
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| o: after Cw
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| just add the séimhiú's and urú's and you effectively have Khoisan!
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| e: after Cj
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| yes
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| e: after Cjw
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| Fáilte chuig Ŧúabh Teatham Ŧathaigh!
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| Ŧú Teatham Ŧathaigh?
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| cinnte!
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| vowels shorten in closed syllables?
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| perhaps not
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| Thai style
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| how do I write these now
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| fa:m, gǀè:-S, ŋǀé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ʎě:, ʘʰǒ:, ce:-S
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| if I have both vowel length and tone
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| well there's a problem
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| idea: tone split!
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| or:
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| long a,e,i,o,u = adha, ...
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| Dhobhàdhaigh?
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| yes grin emoticon
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| Fhaghamhadhaighris
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| wow so Fhaghamhadhaighris
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| crazy
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| maybe not
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| i like your tone split idea
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| i have mid tone, low tone, mid rising tone > high tone, low rising tone
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| yes
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| let's make some falling tones
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| mid tone > mid falling
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| fhaghamhadhaghafhaghadhamhaighidhighris
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| is that how it should be written in universe
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| kidiyeoreum grin emoticon
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| ?!?
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| means "i'm kidding"
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| high tone + long v > high falling
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| ahr
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| mid tone + long v->mid falling?
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| yes
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| low tone+long v->still low
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| or "ngã" tone?
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| sorry
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| low rising + long v > falling broken tone
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| nặng
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| no that would be hỏi
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| yes
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| what about low+long vowel?
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| let's make that hoi
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| we could have some bhlaoighniúil
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| low+long vowel -> falsetto -> high!
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| how falsetto
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| or low + long vowel > low rising
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| what makes me think it's plausible?
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| so we have a 7 tone system
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| (falsetto)
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| the sound gets so low that people start using only a part of their vocal folds to project the sound instead
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| low + long.mp3
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| lol that's funny
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| yes that's what i was thinking of!
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| still 7 tone system
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| yes
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| let's merge the low and mid falling tones
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| yes
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| mid, low, high, low rising, high falling, falling glottalized
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| yes!
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| that was unexpected bhlaoighniúileacht
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| basically thai + nặng
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| yes
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| or maybe not
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| merge the low rising and mid tones
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| mid, low, high, mid falling, high falling, falling glottalized
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| so how would the -th- genitive work here
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| you work it out grin emoticon
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| mid > low
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| low > low
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| high > low or high
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| mid falling > high
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| high falling > high
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| falling glottalized > high
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| yes
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| nice blaoighniúileacht
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| let's just call it blaoighnity
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| much shorter
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| high > low or high is interesting
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| so we have declensions!
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| which are not revealed in the spelling
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| how should the tones be marked
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| fleibenschwankenschraft
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| a à á â
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| adha àdha ádha âdha
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| maybe not?
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| mid tone: ŧra
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| low tone: ŧrà
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| high tone: ŧrá
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| mid falling: ŧradha
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| basically your suggestion
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| it'll work
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| low falling: ŧràdha
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| i mean falling glottalized
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| high falling: trádha
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| high from falsetto: ŧrâdha | | high from falsetto: ŧrâdha |