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* [[Knench]]: ''Ri tagəs invuž bə štaśə u p nieməs''
* [[Knench]]: ''Ri tagəs invuž bə štaśə u p nieməs''
* [[Majorcan]]: ''Tcẁn el ħùte ħajje fi ȝavm gil el mè''
* [[Majorcan]]: ''Tcẁn el ħùte ħajje fi ȝavm gil el mè''
* Proto-Far East Semitic: ''Nal nun xai sqʰəi ləb me''
* Proto-[[Far East Semitic]]: ''Nal nun xai sqʰəi ləb me''
 
==== Earth Semlangs ====
==== Earth Semlangs ====
* Modern Hebrew: הדג החי שוחה במיים /hadag haxaj soxe bamajim/
* Modern Hebrew: הדג החי שוחה במיים /hadag haxaj soxe bamajim/

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Irta (EER-tə; Hivantish for "Earth") is an alternate history of IE and nearby cultural regions created by Âthi Trydhen and User:IlL. The premise is "different diachronic evolutions of English, Māori and a few other languages". Some other languages like French and Japanese are a bit more different from our timeline. Some names refer to completely different languages: for example "Yiddish" is not a Judeo-German but a Judeo-Gaelic, with native name ăn Yidiș [ən 'jɪdɪʃ] (the name we will use to avoid confusion).

The proto-branch of English in this universe is set in what would be Spain and Portugal in our timeline.

The only IE branches in Irta not directly inspired by any real life IE languages are Riphic and Hivantic.

Sketchpad

Hivantish can be dominant in the British Isles and most of continental Europe while English is mostly spoken in former colonies?

South America is mainly Latin- and secondarily French-speaking?

People

  • Emmy Pafnoether /paf'nouθə/ (via a language with dental stops (Ăn Yidiș? Irta Maghrebi Arabic?) from Coptic pafnu:tə, from pa-p3-nťr 'he of the god', ~ Pafnuty. -r was added back when her ancestors were Azalic). She shortened it to Noether, unaware of the etymology
  • Aeno Michaelidh
  • Lule Vriyastukte, a Riphean avant-garde composer
  • Yo-Xev Dub, probabilist

Sprachbünde

"Standard Average Euro-African"

general features: definite articles, SVO word order

Western Europe and North Africa

Large vowel systems

This sound shift/sprachbund began with the development of Proto-Azalic itself.

The Maghrebi sprachbund is considered the "core" of this sprachbund. Languages outside of the Maghrebi sprachbund:

  • Ăn Yidiș
  • Proto-Azalic and English
  • French
  • British Hivantish

Hiberno-Mediterranean (?)

  • Irish
  • Ăn Yidiș
  • Nyvierfusiez
  • English/other Azalic
  • Majorcan
  • Knench

North African

Khmerization (from RTR/emphaticness > creaky voice, ATR/nonemphatic > breathy voice), resulting in some of the largest vowel systems in Irta.

Uvular R, which vocalizes in some languages

Headedness varies but likes suffixed definite article

  • Irtan Maghrebi Arabic
  • Maghrebi Azalic
  • Knench

Central European

Very much like our SAE sprachbund: Hivantish, some Riphic languages, Romance languages, a Mixolydian dialect

Riphean and Ăn Yidiș are peripheral members which lack some sprachbund features (e.g. Riphean lacks definite articles; Ăn Yidiș lacks 'have' and subject agreement)

Hivantish

Mixolydian

A satem IE isolate written in the Latin alphabet; pronunciation is quite similar to Pinyin

Inspired by Polish and Albanian (aesthetically); Greek and Latin (grammatically)

z c s zh ch sh r rr j q x = /z ts s ʐ ʈʂ ʂ ɹ/ɽ r ʑ tɕ ɕ/

dz dzh dj = voiced versions of c ch q

Stop aspiration is as in Persian (st sounds like sth etc.)

j from PIE *y, y is used for /j/ in loanwords and from vowel breaking of PIE *e, e.g. yest "is" <- Proto-Mixolydian *esti

today Mixolydian is a small minority language; Mixolydians have almost entirely shifted to local languages (English, Greek, Romance, Iranian, Indian, Chinese)

Latin and Romance

Classical Latin is a tonal language like Greek and Sanskrit

Non-French Romance languages are considered dialects of Modern Standard Latin (survival of medieval Latin as lingua franca)

Hyperfrench

Standard French is essentially the same as our Parisian French; Hyperfrench is an Irtan vernacular

French through Proto-Slavic -> Russian sound changes (nasal vowels get denasalized etc.), plus a lot of Irish influence

r -> h consistently; a four way stop distinction as in Hindi

Latzial

A language actually named after a cognate of "Latin" spoken in Latium; it has a roughly Catalan/Romanian/Occitan aesthetic

L should usually be dark L like Classical Latin l

Should be close to Southern Italian lects (that gave us "capeesh")?

Irta Sardinian

Similar to our Sardinian (modulo some loans) but also has register from Irtan Latin tone

Modern Greek

Written in a version of Linear B, roughly Syllabics + katakana inspired

a lot more ways to write /i/ depending on PIE etymon? maybe *i and *iH can use different glyphs?

Hypergreek

Some sound splits conditioned by PIE etymon which are merged in Proto-Greek but do not affect intelligibility for a Modern Greek speaker

Irtan Yevanic

should be similar to our Modern Greek but with way more Arabic loans

The Yevanim bring Arabic culture to Jews in Irta, whereas in our world it was the Sephardim.

Mitanni

Weirdest interpretation of Mitanni cuneiform

English

Main page: Verse:Irta/English

Most in-universe English dialects don't merge some PIE sounds, like *ei and *ī, which are merged in Proto-Germanic. Otherwise they sound a lot like English accents from our timeline.

Hyperamerican

an English accent with lots of non-Germanic sound splits as well as General American sound mergers

LOT ~ THOUGHT, but PIE ey !~ PIE ī

Indic

Ăn Yidiş-y Hebraization of Sanskrit

ק כּ אק אכּ נק צ ת׳ אצ את׳ נ׳ ט֨ תּ֨ אט֨ אתּ֨ נ֨ ט תּ אט אתּ נ בּ פּ אבּ אפּ מ י ר ל וו ש ש֨ ס ה א

א for /ə/ is always written with shva

אַ ā

אי אוֹ ע אָ אַי אַוֹ i u e o ai au

vertical line under the initial consonant letter for vowel length in i and u

אקאַוֹטאְמאְ אבּוֹאתּתּאְ Gautama Buddha

Aramaic-ish Pali reading

a ā i ī u ū e o = /a O e i o u E O/; a is [ɑ] next to an emphatic consonant or /ɴ/

t th d dh are /tˁ t~θ̠ d~ð̠ d~ð̠/; tt tth dd ddh are /tˁː tːʰ dː dː/. Single th d dh are stops only when preceded by a homorganic nasal.

retroflexes and dentals merge into alveolars; b and bh are treated the same.

liturgical language of Irtan Middle Eastern Buddhism; could be part of a "sprachbund" of Aramaic-accented reading traditions, which includes Tiberian Hebrew

samekh with two dots on top = final o?

Manopubbaṅgamā dhammā, manoseṭṭhā manomayā;
Manasā ce paduṭṭhena, bhāsati vā karoti vā,
Tato naṁ dukkhaṁ anveti, cakkaṁ'va vahato padaṁ.

[manɔpˁobːaŋgamɔ ð̠amːɔ, manɔsɛtːʰɔ manɔmajɔ]
[manasɔ tsˁɛ pˁað̠otːʰɛna, vɔsɑtˁe vɔ qɑɾɔtˁe vɔ]
[tˁɑtˁɔ nɑɴ ð̠okːʰɑɴ anvɛtˁe, tsˁɑqːɑɴva vahɑtˁɔ pˁɑð̠ɑɴ]

Semitic

Hebrew

Main article: Verse:Irta/Hebrew

Though in-universe Tiberian Hebrew is identical to that in our timeline, Paleo-Hebrew in this universe distinguishes most consonants of Proto-Semitic, unlike in our timeline. This is reflected in some in-universe Hebrew accents which preserve distinctions like צׁ (tsadi w/ right dot) /ts̠/ vs צׂ (tsadi w/ left dot) /ts/, cognate with Arabic emphatic S/Z and D.

Some in-universe reading traditions, such as the earliest stratum of Hebrew loans in Ăn Yidiș, distinguish

  • cholam from Proto-Semitic *u and *aw = /o/
  • cholam from Proto-Semitic *ā = /u/ (/uə/ in some other reading traditions)
  • Proto-Semitic *ū = Swedish u (/u/ in some other reading traditions)

Arabic

Standardized Classical Arabic, Hijazi Arabic, and Egyptian Arabic are the same as in our timeline. Arabic is not spoken in our Maghreb, but is spoken in our Horn of Africa area with lots of Ethiopian and Cushitic loans.

There is a heavily Irish-influenced Arabic variety spoken in Majorca.

Modern Standard Arabic doesn't exist; though Classical Arabic is still used in Islam, it's considered a different language from vernacular Arabic lects (like Latin and Romance in our timeline). Many distinct Qur'an reading traditions survive to this day, and there is no single modern standard pronunciation used for Classical Arabic.

Sample

Irta Semlangs

'The living fish swims in the water'

  • Knench: Ri tagəs invuž bə štaśə u p nieməs
  • Majorcan: Tcẁn el ħùte ħajje fi ȝavm gil el mè
  • Proto-Far East Semitic: Nal nun xai sqʰəi ləb me

Earth Semlangs

  • Modern Hebrew: הדג החי שוחה במיים /hadag haxaj soxe bamajim/
  • Arabic: as-samakah al-ħayyah tasbaħu fī l-māʔ

Egyptian

get "Noether" or "Paf-Noether" from *nāťar 'god', via a divergent descendant of Old Egyptian (this could be Irta Coptic...)

Māori

Proto-Austronesian in Irta has the same urheimat as in our timeline but a very different phonology and morphology; its phonology is small like Finnish and its morphology is Altaic-ish; its evolution into Māori as we know it, a VSO language, is analogous to PIE's evolution into Irish.

Celtic

PCel is basically the same as ours, but we're taking the liberty to derive more hypothetical words cognatizing directly from PIE. Corsican Irish keeps the invented word soicheall 'common sense; intelligence' and its antonym doicheall (from Proto-Celtic su-kʷēslā; kʷēslā is the PCel source of Irish ciall).

Alternate history Canadian Gaelic

Can date back to Primitive Irish times, incorporates Algonquian loanwords

or should it be a Celtic-Algonquian creole?

Brythonic

Proto-Brythonic should be the same as ours

A priori

Drug names

Phonology

The phonology is a simplified version of Irish phonology:

/k g x č dž š j t d s n p b f v m r l/ c g ch ť ď š y t d s n p b f v m r l; /a e i o u/ a e i o u

č dž š are treated as slender t, d, s in Irish.

There's a restriction on the set of initial consonants, because of Irish initial mutation. The only permissible initial consonants are:

k č t p m n r l

All drug names are treated as masculine in Irtan Irish.

Morphology

The Irtan drug naming system tends to be prefixing rather than suffixing, unlike our timeline's drug names.

Sinitic and Sino-Xenic

Mandarin

In-universe Mandarin has two scripts: an alternate history Pinyin and a Hebraization invented by __.

East Asian languages in Irta generally use the Roman alphabet

Alternate history pinyin: uses Zhuang tone letters

b p m f, d t n l, z c s, zr cr sr r, ź ć ś (or otherwise unmarked; clear from context), g k h

a, ae, au, an, ang

y for Pinyin e

"z" by itself is used for Pinyin "zi", Pinyin "ji" is written "zi" or sometimes "gi" (this alternate history Pinyin is introduced during Early Modern Mandarin times so literate users keep older distinctions though spelling mistakes are common nowadays)

Trician Mandarin orthography

Druეvo̽n

bvo pvo mvo fvo do to no lo go co cho zi/gi tzi/ci si/chi droi troi sroi roi zoi tzoi soi (i is always dotless)

a o (o)i vo u vi aᵹ oᵹ av ov an on aე oე uე ar/-r (broad)

ea e ean in eav eov eaე iე iuე

va vo vaᵹ voᵹ van von vaე voე

ve vean vin

tone letters 0 x v q ', h for lost rusheng

Ro̽nro̽n sroე a̽r zoi̊eo̽v, zåᵹ zvon·ea̽n cho̽ cvea̽nli̊ sråე ihlůh pi̽ეdǒე. Tamon' fueǒv lǐsi̊ე cho̽ lea̽ეsin, bi̊ე iე ǐ chiuეdi̊ gvanchi̊ doh' ziეsro̽n chůseaე dvo̊ᵹdåᵹ.

Rénrén shēng ér zìyóu, zài zūnyán hé quánlì shàng yīlù píngděng. Tāmen fùyǒu lǐxìng hé liángxīn, bìng yīng yǐ xiōngdì guānxì de jīngshén hùxiāng duìdài.

Ireland = Eilie

Judeo-Mandarin

A form of Zhongyuan or Southwestern Mandarin

used in the Jewish Autonomous Region of Irta China

Initials

באָ פאָ מאָ ףאָ טא תא נא לא קא כא חא טשי תשי שי צרי תרי סרי רי צי תסי סי

Rimes

אַ א אי אָ אוֹ אוּ a e i/(i after retros and dentals) o u ü; the dot in יִ can be omitted.

אַי עי אַו אָו אַן אן אַ׆ א׆ אוֹ׆ אר/-ר ai ei ao ou an en ang eng ong er/-r

ואַ אָ ואַי ועי ואַן אוֹן ואַ׆ וא׆ wa o wai wei wan wen wang weng

ייאַ ייע ייאו ייאָו ייען ייִן ייאַ׆ ייִ׆ ייוֹ׆ ya ye yao you yan yin yang ying yong

אוּע אוּען אוּן yue yuan yun

ole telisha-gedola etnahta darga = Tones 1 2 3 4 (not motivated by similarity to cantillation melodies; important thing is visual distinguishability)

should use tone letters instead, Hmoob style

Sample

Todo: replace with judeo-mandarin

ר֠אן־ר֠אן ס֫רא׆ א֠ר צ֧י־י֠אָו, צ֧אַי צ֫וֹן־י֠ען ח֠א ק֠׳וּען־ל֧יִ ס֧ראַ׆ י֫יִ־ל֧וֹ פ֠י׆־ט֑א׆. ת֫אַ־מאן ף֧וֹ־י֑אָו ל֑יִ־ש֧יִ׆ ח֠א ל֠יאַ׆־ש֫יִן, ב֧יִ׆ י֫יִ׆ י֑יִ ח׳֫יוֹ׆־ט֧יִ ק֫ואַן־ח׳֧יִ טא צ֫ש׳יִ׆־ס֠ראן ח֧וֹ־ש֫יאַ׆ ט֧ואי־ט֧אַי.

Rénrén shēng ér zìyóu, zài zūnyán hé quánlì shàng yīlù píngděng. Tāmen fùyǒu lǐxìng hé liángxīn, bìng yīng yǐ xiōngdì guānxì de jīngshén hùxiāng duìdài.

Japanese

Main page: Verse:Irta/Japanese

Korean

Standard Korean is the same as our timeline's Seoul Korean but is written in the Greek alphabet. It has a Romanization invented by Samuel McAbram inspired in part by Ăn Yidiș orthography.

Middle Korean initial clusters are written out: hamkkey 'together' is written hampsge̤

Modyn inganyn tea̞nar psdebuta̞ dzaıuroumıa̞ gy dzona̞mgva gva̞nrie̤ issa̞ doηdyηhada. Inganyn tza̞nbudza̞gyro isa̞ηgva ıaηsimyr buıa̞batassymıa̞ sa̞ro hıa̞ηdze̤eỵ dza̞ηsinyro heηdoηhaıa̞ıa handa.

Historical /e/ is marked with a tsere-like diacritic under the e (e̤)

eu eui written y ỵ

alt-history Sinitic languages

Swedish/Icelandic inspired Sinitic

Second-largest Chinese lect in Irta

Develops its own version of erhua (transcribed -r) from Cuam influence but it means something different

  • njem 'to think' > njemr (the m is lenited) 'thoughts'

Should be a hyper-Cantonese, a result of b/s redeveloping as it did in Cuam?

Sinospheric IE

Indosphere and Austroasiatic

Tamil can use Cyrillic

Vietnamese can use an abugida based on the Far East Semitic abugida

Religions of Irta

Europe

  • French, Latzial and Irish: Catholicism
    • French and Hyperfrench: a "Reformation" (the First Remonition) which results in something very much like our Unitarianism but it's started by ex-Catholics
  • Azalic: another Reformation (called the Second Remonition in-universe), which is overtly anti-theist
    • The two Remonitions trigger migration to America and Tricin.
    • Similar movements in the Hivantish and Muslim worlds (even outside Europe; Wādatsu-e-Azaru is an independent Remonition with uncanny similarities to the Azalic Remonition including the name and Buddhist influence)
  • Hivantish: Hivantish paganism, Remonitionists are a minority
  • Balkan Romance and Greek: Greek Orthodox
  • Ăn Yidiș and Irta Yevanic: Judaism (obviously)

Africa

  • Maghreb: Buddhist, Catholic

Asia

  • Tamil, Indian Austroasiatic: druids; Catholic, Remonitionist, Sufi (various levels of syncretism)
  • Togarmite: Sufi, various Hellenistic
  • Far East Semitic: druids, animist, Jewish
  • Irta Japanese (Asia and America): Wādatsu-e-Azaru, a Sufi-Buddhist-animist syncretism
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