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|name= Old Ravenish  
|name= Old Ravenish  
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|nativename=''þiudiskon''
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn
|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam1=Indo-European
|fam2=Germanic
|fam2=Germanic
|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish]]
|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]]
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Formal
|dia2=Standard
|dia2=Standard
|dia3=Colloquial
|dia3=Colloquial
|script1= Latn
|script1= Latn
|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)
|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)
|familycolor=indo-european
|familycolor=indo-european
|cws=MCORV
|cws=MCORV
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}}
}}


'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon&#93;]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
Make note that this is an old, outdated, and no longer updated version of Old Ravenish, for the current version see [[Old Ravenish]]


While its vocabulary derives for the most part from [[w:Proto-Germanic|Proto-Germanic]], there is significant Finnish influence in its phonology, grammar, and lexicon
'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:</small>[[w:ipq chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon]]) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]].


==Introduction==
==Introduction==
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* Proto-Germanic
* Proto-Germanic
* My love for old Germanic languages
* My love for old Germanic languages
===Summary of changes from Proto-Germanic===
tiïdiskön is a Germanic lang, it's directly descended from Proto-Germanic, it's spoken in Finland and has been since the late stage of the earliest form, [[Proto-Ravenish]], meaning it has significant amounts of influence from Finnish, even attaining vowel harmony from it, then through colloquial simplification, the modern form uses vowel harmony grammatically, nominative forms are marked through front vowels while accusative is marked through back vowels, the genitive simplified to the suffix 'ar', and the dative to '-ir'.


==Etymology==
==Etymology==
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|+ Standard/colloquial personal pronouns
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukëraz}} || {{term|mukiz}}
| {{term|ik}} || {{term|mik}}
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkëraz}} || {{term|unkiz}}
| {{term|wit}} || {{term|unk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsëraz}} || {{term|unsiz}}
| {{term|wiz}} || {{term|uns}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukëraz}} || {{term|þukiz}}
| {{term|þuu}} || {{term|þik}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwëraz}} || {{term|unkwiz}}
| {{term|jut}} || {{term|ïnkw}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwëraz}} || {{term|uzwiz}}
| {{term|juuz}} || {{term|izwiz}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|es}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymmäi}}
| {{term|iz}} || {{term|ïnon}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|sïï}} || {{term|suu}}
| {{term|sii}} || {{term|ijon}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ït}} || {{term|ut}}
| {{term|it}} || {{term|it}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
| {{term|ïïz}} || {{term|uuz}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ezöön}} || rowspan=3 | {{term|ymäz}}
| {{term|iiz}} || {{term|ïnz}}
|-
|-
! feminine
! feminine
| {{term|ïjääz}} || {{term|ujaaz}}
| {{term|ijaaz}} || {{term|ijaz}}
|-
|-
! neuter
! neuter
| {{term|ïjö}} || {{term|ujo}}
| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijo}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëëraz}} || {{term|sëiz}}
| {{term|se}} || {{term|sik}}
|-
|}
 
The standard form taught to foreigners, understood by everyone, like MSA where almost no natives actually speak it.
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Colloquial personal pronouns
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative !! Genitive !! Dative
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mïk}} || {{term|muk}} || {{term|mukërar}} || {{term|mukir}}
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ïnk}} || {{term|unk}} || {{term|unkërar}} || {{term|unkir}}
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|ïns}} || {{term|uns}} || {{term|unsërar}} || {{term|unsir}}
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|þïk}} || {{term|þuk}} || {{term|þukërar}} || {{term|þukir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ïnkw}} || {{term|unkw}} || {{term|unkwërar}} || {{term|unkwir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïzw}} || {{term|uzw}} || {{term|uzwërar}} || {{term|uzwir}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|ïz}} || {{term|uz}} || {{term|uzërar}} || {{term|uzir}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ïïr}} || {{term|uur}} || {{term|uuzërar}} || {{term|uuzir}}
|-
! colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}} || {{term|sëërar}} || {{term|sëir}}
|-
|-
|}
|}


The day-to-day form, an interesting forced change happens here, where the original instrumental endings become particles, 'ö' for singular and 'iz' for plural. The dual forms are becoming quite rare, to the point they're not taught till considerably later than everything else.
Genitive is regularized to the suffix '-eräz'/'-ëraz', Dative is lost


===Nouns===
===Nouns===
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