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| '''{{PAGENAME}}''' ({{PAGENAME}}: ''An dhobhâdhaigh Cobhocham'') is a Wiobic language. It has a large number of click consonants, and is a monosyllabic tonal language with fusional morphology using mutations and tone changes.
| | : {{distinguish|text= the Earth language [[w:Fungor language|Fungor]], also known as Ko}} |
| ==Numbers==
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| *AW: va:m, *dɛɧɐ, naɐk, mu:l, ze:lɪɧ, ʃtuom, ʀu:t, lɛɐts, pfaɐp, kioɐ
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| *Pre-Kurmo-Schnüher: va:m, dɪɧɐ, nɛɐk, mu:l, ze:ləɧ, ʃtuom, ʀu:t, lɛɐts, pfɛɐp, kioɐ
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| *vˠa:m, dʲəɧ-S, nʲa:k, mʷo:l, zʲe:ləɧ, tʰʷwəm, ʀʷo:t, lʲats, pfʲa:p, kʲʷa:
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| *vˠa:m, dʲəɧ-S, nʲa:k, mʷo:l, zʲe:ləɧ, tʰʷwəm, vˠo:t, lʲatʰ, pʰʲa:p, pʲa:
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| <poem>
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| we need tones!
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| lʲatʰ->lʲat(breathy)
| | :[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Wordlist]] |
| 9 and 10 sound similar
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| ok let's try tʰ > t(breathy)
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| _Cʰ -> _C(breathy)
| | {{Infobox language |
| yes
| | |creator = User:IlL |
| | |name = {{PAGENAME}} |
| | |nativename = lees ndoigh Komh |
| | |setting = [[Verse:Tricin]] |
| | |state = Bjeheond |
| | |familycolor=hmong-mien |
| | |fam1=[[Hlou-Shum languages|Hlou-Shum]] |
| | |scripts=* Latin (Uncial) |
| | |notice=IPA |
| | }} |
| | '''{{SUBPAGENAME}}''' (English: /koʊ/, natively ''lees ndoigh Komh'' /li noi kɔ/ (TBA: tone)) is a language spoken in [[Bjeheond]]; as a [[Hlou-Shum languages|Hlou-Shum language]], it's related to [[Hlou]]. It is a monosyllabic tonal language inspired by Hmong, Irish, Manx, and English. Like Irish, Ko has initial consonant mutations. |
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| _ɧ -> _h -> _(breathy)
| | ==Todo== |
| yes
| | Motivation: "Sinospheric Irish" or "Hmoob read by an Irish speaker" |
| maybe not p-celticization?
| | *Explain: lexical mutation in Hlou, grammatical mutation in Ko |
| | **Hlou lexical mutation could have arisen from a grammatical mutation system where the particles fell away |
| | *''dor'' = to be born ~ Hlou ''Ndol'' 'person' |
| | *TODO: kl gl sk > q |
| | *bach = small, meer = big |
| | *hleubh = to love (hlub means "to love" in Hmong) |
| | *kein = archaic negative word |
| | *ein = emphasis/'rather' |
| | *koobh = good |
| | *cu = copper |
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| final k -> glottalization
| | ==Phonology== |
| | {{SUBPAGENAME}} has fewer initials than [[Hlou]], due to initial mutations. |
| | ===Phonotactics=== |
| | C + V + tone |
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| we should have that
| | ===Initials=== |
| | ''m n ņ l nl r y w'' = /m n ɲ l (dark l) r j w/ |
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| but final p -> w-glide!
| | ''hm hn hņ hl hr hy hw'' = /ʰm ʰn ʰɲ ʰl ʰr ç (voiceless w)/ |
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| 9 -> pʰʲa:w
| | ''p t tç ts tx c k q b d j g'' = /h t ts (Basque ts) tʃ c k q b d ɟ g/ |
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| or pʰʲa:wʔ
| | ''pl bl tl dl'' = /hl bl tl dl/ |
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| this is so fun
| | ''ph th tçh tsh txh ch kh qh bh dh jh gh'' = /f θ s (Basque s) ʃ ç x χ v ð j ɣ/ |
| vˠa:m, dʲə̤-S, nʲa:ʔ, mʷo:l, zʲe̤:l, tʰʷwəm, vˠo:ʔ, lʲa̤ʔ, pʰʲa:wʔ, kʲʷa:
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| i don't want final plosivess to diasppear yet!
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| i need them for sino-korean gib
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| yes
| | ''phl bhl thl dhl'' /fl vl ɬ ɮ/ |
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| vˠa:m, dʲə̤-S, nʲa:k, mʷo:l, zʲe̤:l, tʰʷwəm, vˠo:t, lʲa̤t, pʰʲa:p, kʲʷa:
| | ''np nt ntç nts ntx nc nk nq nb nd nj ng'' = /b d dz (voiced Basque ts) dʒ ɟ g ɢ m n ɲ ŋ/ |
| let me look at what vowel phonemes we had before slenderization
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| ɪ i: ʏ y: u:
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| ə
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| ɛ e: œ ø: o:
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| a:
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| au ai ay iu io uo yø
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| should au ai ay front to ɛu ɛi ɛy?
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| perhaps
| | ''npl nbl ntl ndl'' /bl ml dl nl/ |
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| looks abɛut right
| | ''f ç s x'' = /f s (Basque s) ʃ/ |
| actually maybe not
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| we need some "plain" consonants
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| why?????
| | ''nf nç ns nx'', also ''fh çh sh xh'' = /v z (voiced Basque s) ʒ/ |
| for some balance?
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| au ai ay all merge into ɐː
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| let's say au->ɛ:, ai->ɑ: as in australian or cockney(ish)
| | ===Rimes=== |
| ai, ay > a:
| | ''a i ao u e o ee oo ai ei oi au eu ia ua'' = /a ɪ ɨ ʊ ɛ ɔ i u ai ei oi au eu iə uə/ |
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| yes
| | ===Tones=== |
| ɪ i: ʏ y: u:
| | 9 tones: |
| ə
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| ɛ e: œ ø: o:
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| ɛ: œ
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| a:
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| iu io uo yø
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| should i have œ: < ay?
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| yes!
| | *-Ø: mid level |
| | *-ch: glottal stop final |
| | *-s: low falling |
| | *-r: low rising |
| | *-gh: low breathy |
| | *-mh: creaky |
| | *-bh: mid rising |
| | *-dh: high falling |
| | *-n: high level |
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| symmetry!
| | ==Grammar== |
| ɪ i: ʏ y: u:
| | Ko is SVO and head-initial. Mutations often operate on a syntactic basis. |
| ə
| | ===Nouns=== |
| ɛ e: œ ø: o:
| | plural word: ''yoo-L'' (placed after classifier but before noun) |
| ɛ: œ:
| | ===Pronouns=== |
| a:
| | *xan = I |
| iu io uo yø
| | *çeedh = you |
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| btw Californian English looks like it has /y/ and no /u/
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| so we're now at the "oddball accent of german"-stage
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| yes
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| i think now is a good time to slenderize!
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| yes
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| ɪ -> ʲə, i: -> ʲə:, ʏ -> ʲʷə, y: -> ʲʷə:, u: -> ʷə:...
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| what should the semi-vertical vowel system look like?
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| a:->ˠa:
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| a 3-level system?
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| fleibenschwankenschraft
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| with a ə ï
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| that looks good
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| so pre-cuatham:
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| ɪ i: ʏ y: u:
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| ə
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| e: ø: o:
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| ɛ ɛ: œ œ:
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| a:
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| iu io uo yø
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| ɪ i: ʏ y: u: -> ʲï ʲï: ʲʷï ʲʷï: ʷï:
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| old cuatham:
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| jɨ jɨj jwɨ jwɨj wɨw
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| better than my proposal
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| let's continue
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| ə is just ə
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| e: ø: o: > jəj jwəj wəw
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| yes
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| *middle chinese intensifies*
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| ɛ ɛ: œ œ: -> ja jai jwa jwai
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| a: -> a:
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| or jwaw?
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| a: > a:
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| iu io uo yø -> jɨw, jəw, wəw, jwəj?
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| jɨ, jə, wə, jwə
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| yes i can feel the middle chinese
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| so i and iu merge?
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| iu > jɨw
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| what does final -r do now?
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| fleibenschwankenschraft...
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| -w -j replaced w/ -a?
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| perhaps
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| with a subsequent sandhi
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| ɨa,əa-> ə:, aa->a:
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| this is pretty convenient as a, eo, eu are common in sino-korean
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| what? the sandhi?
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| the vertical vowel system
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| tho i also need -yu(C), -yo(C)
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| jɨw, jəw!
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| i can get them from jw-
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| ?
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| ok
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| CjɨwC->CyuC
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| yes
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| we still haven't gone over uo, üö and io
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| we have: iu io uo yø -> jɨw, jə, wə, jwə
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| so:
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| va:m, dəɧɐ, nɛɐk, mu:l, ze:ləɧ, ʃtuom, ʀu:t, lɛɐts, pfɛɐp, kioɐ
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| va:m, dəɧ-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, ʃtwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| the language should split at this stage or soon after
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| yes!
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| well it was descher in early curmian
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| sorry
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| va:m, djəɧ-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, ʃtwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| either german is the mother of all languages
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| or it's vietnamese
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| or wakashan
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| or clicky polynesian
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| (from a zulian perspective)
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| ʃC > Cʰ at this stage
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| va:m, djəɧ-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| forgot
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| va:m, djə̤ɧ-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| what about mutations caused by unstressed prefixes
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| i think they should be dropped before final endings are dropped
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| be-, ge-, ger- lenites
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| en-, wen- eclipses
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| des- aspirates
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| let's work the effects out
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| then when you lenite be-, you actually get bhe- (pronounced)
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| *gussnish intensifies*
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| sino-korean but with mutations, tone and gender is so funny
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| i can see you're more focused on Schnüher grin emoticon
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| b > v
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| d > dh (fric)
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| g > gh
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| that's pretty much gussnish
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| p > f
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| t > þ
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| k > x
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| dh > gh?
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| we're still at the "old irish" stage
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| irish/elephant gaelic
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| th -> h
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| dh -> gh
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| the following consonants can occur initially in late pre-old cuatham:
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| m n
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| p t ! k ʔ
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| b d g! g
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| ph th !h kh
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| f s h
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| v z
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| l j ʀ
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| right before prefixes trigger initial mutations
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| m
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| seimhius to ṽ
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| uru's to m
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| aspirates to mʰ
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| n
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| seimhius to n
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| urus to n
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| aspirates to nʰ
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| p
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| seimhius to f
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| urus to b
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| aspirates to pʰ
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| t
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| seimhius to θ
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| urus to d
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| aspsirates to tʰ
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| forgot ɧ as a possible initial fricative
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| !
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| seimhius to ɧ
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| urus to g!
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| aspirates to !ʰ
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| k
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| seimhius to x
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| urus to g
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| aspirates to kʰ
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| b
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| seimhius to v
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| urus to m
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| aspirates to bʰ?
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| b shouldn't aspirate unlike in Middle Wiobian
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| or An Bhl grin emoticon
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| b
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| seimhius to v
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| urus to m
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| d
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| seimhius to ð
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| urus to n
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| g!
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| seimhius to ɧ̬
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| urus to ŋ!
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| g
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| seimhius to ɣ
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| urus to ŋ
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| ph th !h kh
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| seimhius to p t ! k (!)
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| blaoighniúil
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| ph th !h kh
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| urus to m̊ n̊ ŋ̊! ŋ̊
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| sorry not blaoighniuil
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| seimhiu: ph > p > f
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| h drops out entirely
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| f s
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| seimhius to h h
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| urus to v z
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| v z
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| seimhius to ʔ ʔ
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| l j ʀ do not mutate
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| oops maybe i should have aspirated hl hj hr?
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| l j r
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| aspirate to hl hj hr
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| and v z aspirates to f s
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| ɧ seimhius to h and urus to ɧ̬
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| ɧ̬ seimhius to to ʔ and aspirates to ɧ
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| ʔ urus to n
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| and aspirates to h!
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| ok so what inventory do i have now
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| m̊ n̊ ŋ̊! ŋ̊
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| m n ŋ! ŋ
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| p t ! k ʔ
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| b d g! g
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| ph th !h kh
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| f s ɧ x h
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| ṽ v z ɧ̬ ɣ
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| l̊ j̊ ʀ̊
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| l j ʀ
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| this is "old cuatham"
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| pʰ tʰ !ʰ kʰ are pinyined p̂ t̂ ŧ̂ k̂
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| ĉ you mean
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| yes sorry
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| p̂ t̂ ŧ̂ ĉ
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| or:
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| use pr tr ŧr cr
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| i could derive aspirates from Cr!
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| as Cuatham has no initial consonant clusters
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| or maybe not?
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| you don't have to change the diachronics
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| r blocks medials from forming
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| i just picked something irishy
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| yes I could do that
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| because ŧ̂ is a little heavy on the diacritics
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| phr thr ŧhr chr
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| bpr dtr đŧr gcr?
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| bpr dtr đŧr gcr actually represetn voiceless nasals
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| yes
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| i don't know why i didn't think of that idea before
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| that's funny
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| but i'm adopting the idea anyway because irish
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| yes
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| also because nobody really knows what <r> is in Wiob
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| it should be the in universe orthography!
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| well <r> *is* sometimes /r/
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| Reber = ráp
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| but not always
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| that's why r could mean /r/ in Cuatham
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| in isolation
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| Schnueher uses Wiob orthography while Cuatham uses the irishy one
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| yes
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| because German read like Sino-Korean
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| or you could have Irish read as Sino-Korean tongue emoticon
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| that's why Hussmauchian conlangers like to do funny things with r
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| or avoid it
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| anyway
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| the language splits after slenderization?
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| yes!
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| I want to drop final plosives in cuatham while retaining them in schnueher
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| yes
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| so here are the numbers again:
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| cuatham splits from schnueher by...
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| clicky clicky clicky!
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| what do you think abot -p -> -w?
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| yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| with all the !'s pronounced
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| yes, -p > -w in cuatham
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| -t just disappears
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| yes
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| or becomes -j?
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| -k -> -j
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| actually
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| hence -abh/-aigh?
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| final
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| p/jp/wp -> w/j/w
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| t/jt/wt -> Ø/j/w
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| k/jk/wk -> j/j/w
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| yes
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| yes
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| final -ŧ?
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| > Ø/j/w
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| final -l?
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| retained
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| final m, n, and ng are retained
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| yes
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| unless you want m->n as in mandarin
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| nope
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| Cuatham!
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| yes
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| also Ŧúabh Teatham Ŧathaigh
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| should I have Cl- for /Cw-/?
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| then what about /Chw-/
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| there's a problem
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| no... i don't think I want it
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| trbh- and trl- are not very irish
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| right now I have Cbh-
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| Cobh?
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| ok
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| or Cibh for slender consonants
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| An Dhobhàigh Cuatham
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| yes
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| looks a lot more Irish!
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| the irishy orthography might turn out to be even more bloated than the wiob one
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| which should be funny in-universe
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| yes
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| so what happens next?
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:k, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwt, ljə̤:t, pʰjə̤p, kjə:-S
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:j, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨw, ljə̤:, pʰjə̤w, kjə:-S
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| do you want to have glottalized tones?
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| yes
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| let's say
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̤:Q, pʰjə̤wQ, kjə:-S
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| Q = glottalized tone
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| breathy syllables don't change their tone
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| yes
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| va:m, djə̤-S, njə:jʔ, mwɨwl, zjə̤jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwʔ, ljə̤:, pʰjə̤w, kjə:-S
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| Or:
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| breathy syllables already shift to low tone
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| va:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̀jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
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| <v> doesn't look that irish
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| shift it to <f>?
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| yes
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, zjə̀jl, tʰwəm, vwɨwQ, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
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| fwɨwQ
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə:jQ, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨw, ljə̀:Q, pʰjə̀wQ, kjə:-S
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| also z > s
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| then glottalization turns into an abrupt rise in tone
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨw, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| V́ = mid rising,V̌ = low rising
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| yes
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| sorry
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwɨwl, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwɨ́w, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| fwɨ́w has mid rising tone
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| yes
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| then a vowel sandhi
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| i don't like fwɨw
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| wouldn't fwu: be better?
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| yes!
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwul, sjə̀jl, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| let's systematize as i don't like sjə̀jl either
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njə́:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| ɨj/ɨw/əj/əw/aj/aw -> i:/u:/e:/o:/ai/au
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| mwu:l?
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| njə́:j should assimilate
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| njéi
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjə̌w, kjə:-S
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| ɨ:j/ɨ:w/ə:j/ə:w/a:j/a:w -> i:/u:/ei/ou/ai/au?
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| maybe
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| this takes us back
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| in a way
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| to Wiob!
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| but they're not the same vowels
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| are you satisfied with the last vowel sandhi rule?
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| í ú aoigh obh aigh abh?
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| yes
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| or éigh eobh
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| yes
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| after slender consonants
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| fa:m, djə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, pʰjǒ:, kjə:-S
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| now, the Great Clickification!
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| yes
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| we've worked it out already
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| fa:m, gǀə̀-S, njé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ljə̌:, ʘʰǒ:, cə:-S
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| njé:j has a click grin emoticon
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| fa:m, gǀè:-S, ŋǀé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ʎě:, ʘʰǒ:, ce:-S
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| ə: > e: after slender consonants
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| before the clickification
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| yes
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| and o: after broad consonants?
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| now it's more like clickified irish than mandarin
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| o: after Cw
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| just add the séimhiú's and urú's and you effectively have Khoisan!
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| e: after Cj
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| yes
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| e: after Cjw
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| Fáilte chuig Ŧúabh Teatham Ŧathaigh!
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| Ŧú Teatham Ŧathaigh?
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| cinnte!
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| vowels shorten in closed syllables?
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| perhaps not
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| Thai style
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| how do I write these now
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| fa:m, gǀè:-S, ŋǀé:j, mwul, sjè:l, tʰwəm, fwú:, ʎě:, ʘʰǒ:, ce:-S
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| if I have both vowel length and tone
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| well there's a problem
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| idea: tone split!
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| or:
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| long a,e,i,o,u = adha, ...
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| Dhobhàdhaigh?
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| yes grin emoticon
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| Fhaghamhadhaighris
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| wow so Fhaghamhadhaighris
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| crazy
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| maybe not
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| i like your tone split idea
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| i have mid tone, low tone, mid rising tone > high tone, low rising tone
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| yes
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| let's make some falling tones
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| mid tone > mid falling
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| fhaghamhadhaghafhaghadhamhaighidhighris
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| is that how it should be written in universe
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| kidiyeoreum grin emoticon
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| ?!?
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| means "i'm kidding"
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| high tone + long v > high falling
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| ahr
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| mid tone + long v->mid falling?
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| yes
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| low tone+long v->still low
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| or "ngã" tone?
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| sorry
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| low rising + long v > falling broken tone
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| nặng
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| no that would be hỏi
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| yes
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| what about low+long vowel?
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| let's make that hoi
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| we could have some bhlaoighniúil
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| low+long vowel -> falsetto -> high!
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| how falsetto
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| or low + long vowel > low rising
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| what makes me think it's plausible?
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| so we have a 7 tone system
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| (falsetto)
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| the sound gets so low that people start using only a part of their vocal folds to project the sound instead
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| low + long.mp3
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| lol that's funny
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| yes that's what i was thinking of!
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| still 7 tone system
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| yes
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| let's merge the low and mid falling tones
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| yes
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| mid, low, high, low rising, high falling, falling glottalized
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| yes!
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| that was unexpected bhlaoighniúileacht
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| basically thai + nặng
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| yes
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| or maybe not
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| merge the low rising and mid tones
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| mid, low, high, mid falling, high falling, falling glottalized
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| so how would the -th- genitive work here
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| you work it out grin emoticon | |
| mid > low
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| low > low
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| high > low or high
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| mid falling > high
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| high falling > high
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| falling glottalized > high
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| yes
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| nice blaoighniúileacht
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| let's just call it blaoighnity
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| much shorter
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| high > low or high is interesting
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| so we have declensions!
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| which are not revealed in the spelling
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| how should the tones be marked
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| fleibenschwankenschraft
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| a à á â
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| adha àdha ádha âdha
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| maybe not?
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| mid tone: ŧra
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| low tone: ŧrà
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| high tone: ŧrá
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| mid falling: ŧradha
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| basically your suggestion
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| it'll work
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| low falling: ŧràdha
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| i mean falling glottalized
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| high falling: trádha
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| high from falsetto: ŧrâdha
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| mid tone: ŧra
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| low tone: ŧrà
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| high tone: ŧrá
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| mid falling: ŧradh
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| glottalized: ŧràdh
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| high falling: trádh
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| high from falsetto: ŧrâdh
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| yes
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| maybe hmong is a cuatham jokelang
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| so what does -th- do?
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| i don't like ŧràthadh ...
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| let's say that -thadh- or -thidh- becomes -ch!
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| ŧrath
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| ŧràth
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| ŧráth
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| ŧrach
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| ŧràch
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| trách
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| ŧrâch
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| yes
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| this is def my irish jokelang
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| it's even funnier with the falsetto!
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| or an awesomenesslang
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| irish + khoisan + chinese
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| fam31, gǀe55-S, ŋǀej53, mwul33, sjel55, tʰwəm33, fwu53, ʎẻ21, ʘʰỏ21, ce31-S
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| fadham, dêach, néich, mobhul, sêachal, trobham?
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| sorry
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| fadham, dêadh, néidh, mobhul, sêadhal
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| what happens to 6?
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| THE BEST FALSE FRIEND EVER!
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| néidh was 2 in Sioaued (remember?)
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| oang, néidh, sáel, šíre, léur, woaugh, foinet, néšir, sáeleut, neilleur, augois, soíneb
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| how do i distinguish tʰwəm33 from tʰwam33?
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| fleibenschwankenschraft...
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| that's tʰwəm33
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| trobham is tʰwam33
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| fobhúdh (fobhúadh?), lèidh, preòdh, ceadh
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| trobhuam is better
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| yes
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| what if it were |ʰwəm33?
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| tribhiam?
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| as opposed to tribheam which is |ʰwam33
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| yes
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| 7 - fobhúdh
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| Cuatham orthography is pretty easy to figure out
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|
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|
| not at all like Ráp Ma!
| | ===Classifiers=== |
| </poem>
| | Classifiers were historically a very open class. They always eclipse the following noun. |
|
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|
| ==Phonology==
| | ''lu'', ''tzagh'', ''hņoobh'', ''lees'', ''çua'', ''yaus'', ... |
| ===Initials===
| |
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| An unusual feature of {{PAGENAME}} phonology is that palatalized stops are realized as clicks.
| |
| {|class="greentable lightgreenbg" style="text-align:center"
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| |-
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| |+'''{{PAGENAME}} initials'''
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| !rowspan="2" colspan="2"|
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| !colspan="2" | Labial
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| !colspan="2" | Coronal
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| !colspan="2" | Lateral
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| !colspan="2" | Coarticulated
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| !colspan="2" | Velar
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| !rowspan="2" | Glottal
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| |-
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| ! <small>broad</small>
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| ! <small>slender</small>
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| ! <small>broad</small>
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| ! <small>slender</small>
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| ! <small>broad</small>
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| ! <small>slender</small>
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| ! <small>broad</small>
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| ! <small>slender</small>
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| ! <small>broad</small>
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| ! <small>slender</small>
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| |-
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| !rowspan="2"| Nasal
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| ! <small>voiceless</small>
| |
| | /m̊/ || /ŋ̊ʘ/
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| | /n̊/ || /ŋ̊ǀ/
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| | /n̊ˡ/ || /ŋ̊ǁ/
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| | /ŋ̊!/ || /ŋ̊ǂ/
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| | /ŋ̊/ || /ɲ̊/
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| |-
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| ! <small>voiceless</small>
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| | /m/ || /ŋʘ/
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| | /n/ || /ŋǀ/
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| | /nˡ/ || /ŋǁ/
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| | /ŋ!/ || /ŋǂ/
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| | /ŋ/ || /ɲ/
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| |
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| |-
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| !rowspan="3" | Stop
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| !<small>tenuis</small>
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| | /p/ || /ʘ/
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| | /t/ || /ǀ/
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| | /tɬ/ || /ǁ/
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| | /!/ || /ǂ/
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| | /k/ || /c/
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| | /ʔ/
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| |-
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| !<small>aspirated</small>
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| | /pʰ/ || /ʘʰ/
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| | /tʰ/ || /ǀʰ/
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| | /tɬʰ/ || /ǁʰ/
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| | /!ʰ/ || /ǂʰ/
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| | /kʰ/ || /cʰ/
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| |
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| |-
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| !<small>voiced</small>
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| | /b/ || /gʘ/
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| | /d/ || /gǀ/
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| | /dɮ/ || /gǁ/
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| | /g!/ || /gǂ/
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| | /g/ || /ɟ/
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| |-
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| !rowspan="2"|Fricative
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| !<small>voiceless</small>
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| | /f/ || /fç/
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| | /s/ || /sç/
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| | /ɬ/ || /ɬʲ/
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| | /ɧ/ || /ʂ/
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| | /x/ || /ç/
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| | /h/
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| |-
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| !<small>voiced</small>
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| | ||
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| | /z/ || /zj/
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| | /ɮ/ || /ɮʲ/
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| | /ɧ̬/ || /ʐ/
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| | /ɣ/ || /ʝ/
| |
| |
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| |-
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| !colspan=2| Trill
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| | /r/ || /r̝/
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| |-
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| !colspan=2| Approximant
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| | /w/ || /ɥ/
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| | /l/ || /ʎ/
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| | || /j/
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| |}
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| | |
| ===Medials===
| |
| The medial is optional. There is one possible medial, /w~ɥ/.
| |
| ===Nucleus===
| |
| There are three possible nuclei: /a/, /ə/ and zero. The nuclei display a range of different realizations depending on the phonetic environment:
| |
| */a/ is realized as:
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| **/ɑ/ after a broad labialized consonant
| |
| **/æ/ after a palatal consonant, palatal click or /ɥ/
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| **/a/ otherwise
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| */ə/ is realized as:
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| **/ɔ/ after a broad labialized consonant
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| **/e/ after a palatal consonant, palatal click or /ɥ/, or with /-j/ coda
| |
| **/ə/ otherwise
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| *Zero nucleus is realized as:
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| **/u/ if the medial is /w/
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| **/y/ if the medial is /ɥ/
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| **/ɨ/ if the medial is zero and initial is a dental click, a retroflex or a broad velar
| |
| **/i/ if the medial is zero, for other initials
| |
| | |
| ===Coda===
| |
| The coda is optional. There are seven possible finals in {{PAGENAME}}: /m n ŋ l r w j/.
| |
| ===Tones===
| |
| | |
| ===Mutations===
| |
| <poem>
| |
| seimhiu
| |
| /p, ʘ/ > /f(ʲ)/
| |
| /pʰ, ʘʰ/ > /f(ʲ)/
| |
| /b, gʘ, m, ŋʘ/ > /w, ɥ/
| |
| /t, |/ > /h/
| |
| /d, g|/ > /ɣ, j/
| |
| /tʰ, |ʰ/ > /h/
| |
| /!, ǂ, !ʰ, ǂʰ/ > /ɧ, ɧʲ/
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| /g|, gǂ/ > voiced sj
| |
| /k, c, kʰ, cʰ/ > /x, ç/
| |
| /g, gʲ/ > /ɣ, j/
| |
| /s, sʲ/ > /x, ç/
| |
| | |
| uru:
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| /p, ʘ/ > /b gʘ/ > /m, ŋʘ/
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| /pʰ ʘʰ/ > /m̊ ŋ̊ʘ/
| |
| /t, |/ > /d, g|/ > /n, ŋ|/
| |
| /tʰ, |ʰ/ > /nʰ, ŋʰ|/
| |
| /!, ǂ/ > /g!, gǂ/ > /ŋ!, ŋǂ/
| |
| /!ʰ, ǂʰ/ > /ŋʰ!, ŋʰǂ/
| |
| /k, c/ >/g, gʲ/ > /ŋ, ŋʲ/
| |
| /s, sʲ/ > /z, zʲ/ (spelled ns)
| |
| </poem>
| |
| | |
| ==Grammar==
| |
| <poem>
| |
| masculine declension:
| |
|
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|
| singular:
| | *lu = humans, gods |
| an: nominative
| | **''faon'' = a man; ''lu nfaon'' = the man (classifier ''lu'') |
| an-S: accusative
| | *tçagh = animals, demons |
| an-H: genitive
| | **''plaidh'' = a dog; ''tçagh nplaidh'' = the dog (classifier ''tçagh'') |
| | **''tçagh Nja Ber Woch'' = a demon in Ko mythology |
| | *hņoobh = tall objects such as trees, buildings |
| | **''qo'' = a tree; ''hņoobh nqo'' the tree |
| | *çua: infinitive |
| | **''dor'' = is born; ''çua ndor'' = to be born (inf.) |
| | *''lobh'': food, edible plants |
| | *''zail'': inedible plants |
| | *lees = nominalization, way of X-ing |
| | **''doigh'' = 'to speak'; ''lees ndoigh'' 'language' |
| | *In archaic language: fancy apparently ad-hoc classifiers for different animals and fruits (cf. English ''murder of crows'' except "murder" is a classifier) |
|
| |
|
| plural:
| | ===Verbs=== |
| on-S: nominative
| | ba = subjunctive marker |
| on-N: accusative
| |
| on-S: genitive
| |
|
| |
|
| feminine declension:
| | ''Ba fhaomh-saigh le çeedh'' = If you like it |
|
| |
|
| singular:
| | ==Sample text== |
| an-S: nominative (*ire*)
| | ===Tower of Babel=== |
| an-S: accusative
| | :''Pugh çedh yaus nqar ņiamh tso txuabh çhaor aon lees ndoigh kiabh aon lees ntlair.'' |
| an-N: genitive
| | :CONJ in CLF world whole PST give only one CLF language and one CLF speak |
| | :And in the whole world there was one language and one way of speaking. |
|
| |
|
| plural:
| | :''Roomh lu yoo las jhugh dle [hyoch mhar], [ka nfemh] re txuabh tçhaoch ibh yaus [njo qiagh] Xi-Na, pugh re txuabh cheich hmoi nblaun.'' |
| ár: nominative
| | :when CLF PL person travel eastward then |
| ár-N: accusative
| | :As the people moved eastward... |
| ár-S: genitive
| |
| </poem>
| |
|
| |
|
| ==Lexicon==
| | [[Category:Quihum languages]][[Category:Tricin]][[Category:Languages]] |
| *bhò-N - from
| |
| *na-N - ''bhò + an''
| |
| *''Ŧú Teatham Ŧathaigh''
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| [[Category:Gamedan languages]][[Category:Pfiunic languages]][[Category:Whetmeric languages]][[Category:Hussmauch]][[Category:Pseudo-Celtic]] | |