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And welcome to my talk page! I Welcome you, who has come to my talk page! Everything is possible at my talk page! The only limit is your imagination!

Hoppas jag inte tränger mig på....

Hi Billy! :D I said I was going to stop by, and I do always keep my promises! :D Waahlis (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2012 (CET)


Oh dear, that's quick work! I will ask my fellow administrators how they feel about a move, and I'll let them contact you instead on this wiki.

By the way, I had a certain designer role at the old wiki, and we had a special theme - so would you mind telling met you'd think of these pictures and buttons? :)

  - Used for headers of certain categories, Linguifex-pages and conlangs. Administrator and policy buttons. I fill buttons like this one with a motif that suits its purpose.

File:Whiteline.png - you can't see this one, because it's white. It is a background for page headers, which are at the top of the page with notices, titles or messages.

Finally, I've made a small draught for a new logo! Unless you want the current one! - File:Linguifex 1.0.png


Cheers, and let's get this one rolling! :D Waahlis (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Hello!

Just wondering, where did you set this up and get the domain name from? :) Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I was already paying a webhosting fee for pretty much what amounted to my e-mail accounts and a small underdeveloped page with a few lines in Dhannua. So I had a lot of space and I thought, with wikkii down and wikia-awful ads/weird layout I figured I'd rather start something on my own, whose integrity and up-keep I myself could control. :P Then I spent some time considering names with -wiki until I figured linguifex was nicer (in my ears). I don't think it's a real latin word, but I modeled it on ars, artis + -fex (creator/agentative thing-y, -artisan) to get linguifex (artisan of languages/tongues) :P - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 17:34, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Sounds like a good plan :) You're making me want to have my own wiki to play around with stuff and stop me from littering other wikis with half-arsed attempts at projects. Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 18:59, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Today

Hi Billy!

A small update.

  • MOB has created an account.
  • I've imported the Template:Documentation and an array of cascading templates.
  • The Template:Header has been imported.
  • I've uploaded a lot of pictures, spheres, which I'd appreciate if you took a look at.
  • In addition, or rather mostly, I've been working on a very preliminary draught of a section for the Main page.

Sincerely, Waahlis (talk) 17:39, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Also, what's ye favourite colours? :D Name three, from the best to worst! --Waahlis (talk) 19:28, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Infobox. Or something.

I haven't got a clue what you're getting at with that one... :/   Waahlis 22:39, 11 November 2012 (CET)

You'll see… In due time. Well, I'm trying to get at an en.wiki language infobox that can handle several language families, nested :P - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 22:40, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Good with code are you? Excellent, I just survive due to my organisation obsessions. THAT's why this is bothering me! :P I'll have to rename the pages later on... Could you create a list on your user page which ones go together 'till then? :)   Waahlis 22:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Not at all. I understand it, somewhat but writing my own wizardry, no. Just importing from En.Wiki but d'accord. Sure, will do!   Chrysophylax 22:47, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Hehe, me too! :p I think that would make it all easier. Don't forget to fill in the documentation, or chances are that I'll never understand mallarna! :P   Waahlis 22:51, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Calm down a second on the import. What are you trying to do? It'd help a lot if I knew? Also, some things don't seem to function properoly. --  Waahlis 23:33, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Yeah, there are a lot of mini-templates that are used in larger templates that are used in other templates. All to get the wiki-style infobox to work. I'm following the list on ETCWiki which contains guides to setting up things properly and yeah. Unfortunately, the guide recommends you start with the more complex templates first XD and then the ones that get the rest to work. Sigh.
* Template:Infobox/row view source — check
  * Template:Tiw view source check
  * Template:Tlf view source check
  * Template:Tls view source check
  * Template:Tlsp view source
  * Template:Tlp view source
  * Template:Tn view source
  * Template:Tlx view source
  * Template:Mbox Templates view source
  * Template:Mbox templates/doc view source
  * Template:Navbox view source
  * Template:- view source
  * Template:· view source
  * Template:Tnull view source
  * Template:Shortcut view source
  * Template:High-risk view source
  * Template:Main view source
  * Template:Namespace detect view source check
  * Template:Clr view source

  Chrysophylax 23:35, 11 November 2012 (CET)

So I understand. You don't think you should call it a day? I'm happy to do this tomorrow, since I have time then. It is fairly late, after all.   Waahlis 23:39, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Is the template import somehow undesirable? :p am I doing it wrong? I don't actually mind doing it right now, since today I had the fortune of sleeping in (thus well-rested). Btw, ta en titt på Dhannuá infobox example.   Chrysophylax 23:45, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Yeah, don't do that again... :P

I've actually never seen the MediaWiki break! :D Can't say I liked it, but shit happens. :P ¿Qué hiciste?   Waahlis 23:09, 11 November 2012 (CET)

You hadn't? Glad to have enrichened your life with a new experience! I installed a new extension, set it up properly, added the required lines to the master config and theen I missed a teensy letter. I didn't see it until MediaWiki told me. Apologies.   Chrysophylax 23:11, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Why thank you, I'm ever so glad! A truly enchanting event! Yes, I saw that MediaWiki didn't accept the "syntaxhighlight". I've got my nose everywhere I'm not supposed to! :3 Also, I'm glad you added the w: to interwiki, I was going mad because of that... On the old wiki we could edit the interwiki ourselves, so you shouln't have had to.   Waahlis 23:16, 11 November 2012 (CET)

I'll install the Interwiki extension then, that permits admins to add new interwiki defines to the table without using MySQL.   Chrysophylax 23:17, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Oh, no need! I survive just fine without it! However... Would you mind authorising the extension permitting personal .css? :3   Waahlis 23:19, 11 November 2012 (CET)

$wgAllowUserCss = true;   Chrysophylax 23:28, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Eeexcellent! :D --  Waahlis 23:29, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Hiya

I have joined aswell, Am I among the fortunate to be admin again? =) EmperorZelos (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Danke

  • Tackar
  • Danke
  • Gracias
  • Thank you

EmperorZelos (talk) 17:19, 12 November 2012 (CET)

WorldWideWeb Domination Plot

I suggest Waahlis get to do the front page, he is kick ass at it.

And MOB, he'll be the face of this operation :P

And I of course will help with Tempaltes and such

whats your speciality? =D EmperorZelos (talk) 17:20, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Also, do you have string functions, mathematical functions and such on this wiki yet? They will be required EmperorZelos (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2012 (CET)

I am the spider in the net.
nókwts hesmi.
ʿo phylax toũ khrȳsoũ eimi.
Chrysophylax Dives.
Not sure, I'm quite calm, moderate, computer-knowing, language loving and a C# programmer.
I can coordinate things if need be, but mostly, I'll go around helping users and making people feel comfortable. I'm like a Swiss army knife.
We have a few string functions as far as I know. templates list   Chrysophylax 17:34, 12 November 2012 (CET)

That is not what I meant, I meant the wiki string functions like vardefine, var, if etc EmperorZelos (talk) 17:43, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Wiki import

Would it be feasable for you to figure out how to import the "add word" function in translatiosn on wiktionary? EmperorZelos (talk) 18:22, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Hi again! I've tried out File:Linguifex.png as a internal logo, to use in banners and in spheres. Potentially also as a favicon. Votre opinion, s'il vous plait!   Waahlis 21:16, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Currently a bit occupied Zelos, but I'll try. Also, nice work Waahlis!   Chrysophylax 21:34, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Thank you! I'll give it a bit more work though. Probably make it a bit more gray. --  Waahlis 21:38, 12 November 2012 (CET)

HEY!...take it cool man, none of us are in a hurry, if you try your best and get it done when it is feasable that is good enough for all of us! :D   Emperor Zelos 21:44, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Extensions

Those are a few extensions the wiki needs.   Emperor Zelos 21:59, 12 November 2012 (CET) 


Extension:ParserFunctions is enabled.

Extension:Stringfunctions = deprecated; use Extension:ParserFunctions. 

Extension:VariablesExtension = name deprecated; installing Extension:Variables. 

Installing Loops.

Installing LoopFunctions.

Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object in /storage/content/57/130757/linguifex.com/public_html/extensions/LoopFunctions/LoopFunctions.php on line 45

Extension LoopFunctions is incompatible with this release of MediaWiki, usage of deprecated non-existent $wgMessageCache. Per MediaWiki: ''$wgMessageCache | Removed in:	1.18.0| No longer used since r81027.''

Restored last known working configuration of LocalSettings.php.

Please excuse the maintenance delay and/or possible interruptions of the service.

——— Gnomes. 



Enabling Extension:Loops.

Extension:Loops is enabled.

Enabling Variables.

Extension:Variables is enabled.

All operations completed.

For more details, see [[Special:Version]].

——— Gnomes. (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2012 (CET)

"Extension LoopFunctions is incompatible with this release of MediaWiki, usage of deprecated non-existent $wgMessageCache. Per MediaWiki: $wgMessageCache | Removed in: 1.18.0| No longer used since r81027." Que? Whats wrong? Is it an old version?  Emperor Zelos 06:06, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Can these be included aswell?   Emperor Zelos 08:24, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Whou, take it easy on him. You should only suggest those that are absolutely necessary. He's got bandwidth to think about.   Waahlis 08:31, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Poll, Random, Flash, Progress, EditConflict and automated greeting are those I would say is most important then.   Emperor Zelos 08:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

If you want you can check those out and make a judgement on whats absolutely neccisery, stringloop would be good for templates though. But these would mostly be one time thing so it doesn't effect bandwidth does it?   Emperor Zelos 08:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math

This would be useful too   Emperor Zelos 17:21, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Hello

I've never met you, have I. I'm conlang, CL for short. My ways of conlanging are strange; I've still got quite a lot to learn. I might do a little coding with you sometime or another. I just stopped by for whatever reason. :P
CL/ˈtɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/ 21:26, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Hi! No, I do not think we have met properly. I'm Chrysophylax (Gold-guard). I too have still got a lot to learn :) ; it'd be nice to get some more coding aid, I'm not particularly good at it. :P Thanks for visiting!   Chrysophylax 18:09, 15 November 2012 (CET)

Announcements

I thought maybe we needed a non-forum analogue, and the "current event" title simply wasn't very appealing? I rollbacked your edit.   Waahlis 10:49, 18 November 2012 (CET)

Ah, makes sense. Cool, cool, cool.   Chrysophylax 21:02, 18 November 2012 (CET)

Welcome

Could you install the automated welcome message on this wiki so we don't have to?   Emperor Zelos 16:11, 27 November 2012 (CET)


Sorry for delaying so! I've been most busy these last two weeks. :\ Anyhow, Automatic Board Welcome seems to depend on SocialProfile which currently does not work with our MediaWiki version. We would have to downgrade the whole wiki to get SocialProfile (and by extension Automatic Board welcome) to work in the current state of matters. Unfortunately, until https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29984 is fixed, I'm not sure there's much that I can do regarding this feature. =\   Chrysophylax 23:16, 28 November 2012 (CET)

hmmm alright, I am certain we can fix this, I will look into it =))   Emperor Zelos 06:18, 29 November 2012 (CET)

Façade

Hello my dear sir, I've spent the evening constructing a component for the new main page - the Façade. Your opinions, if you will!   Waahlis 21:46, 1 December 2012 (CET)


It looks quite awesome, I like the items. For some reason my admin button changes colour from blue to orange-y. ??. Also, it seems a bit heavy on content on the sides while I'd prefer some more centred content myself. But yeah, forum/languages, etc. Those look great!   Chrysophylax 03:26, 2 December 2012 (CET)

I am purple, He is Orange, You are blue, MOB is red. Thats why the admin changes   Emperor Zelos 06:54, 2 December 2012 (CET)


Ohhh, it cycles! I see it now. facepalm.   Chrysophylax 07:04, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Centred content normally isn't as modern... In my opinion the assymetry draws attention! :p I am not sure you'd prefer centred content, but I'll make a new one when I've completed the rest of the components! :D And yes, that's why the admins change!   Waahlis 12:55, 2 December 2012 (CET)


Oh no, not fully centred! I mispoke, dear Waahlis. What I meant is that the current layout seems a tad empty in the centre area and considering that personally, my eyes kind of land there, it feels a bit like wasted screen estate. I'm also a bit curious regarding the big buttons we have. They do not seem to align properly on my screen at least and it's kind of bothering me, to be honest. Two in line and one… off.

But hey, liking the general idea. I tried installing a youtube extension earlier today while activity = low but it seemed to have broken the Wiki. I'll keep hunting for some other plugin that'd work. As I'm not sure how much space sound files would occupy on the webhost and the perf. delays this might incur I am currently more inclined to add a YoutuBe linking option than full sound file upload (God forbid someone should upload wav files… xD). Me, out!   Chrysophylax 13:22, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Excellent. I shall improve the design further, of course. What's with wav files then? :P   Waahlis 13:28, 2 December 2012 (CET)

They're uncompressed sound files,i.e. raw sound data. Lots of space eating. Keeping them on file might itself not be too bad (since I have a lot of hard drive space for Linguifex) but once you factor in the uploading/downloading it might quickly eat up the bandwidth I have. :\ Not sure how much people are used to ogg vorbis/MP3 compressing and since most recorders record in .WAV, it could quickly turn not nice, I suspect… I'll look into it though…   Chrysophylax 13:35, 2 December 2012 (CET)

I will upload a new proposal for the pics design in a minute.   Waahlis 14:53, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Eight

I present to you.... Theme 8! Pending proposal for modernised wiki-interaction! :D   Waahlis 14:59, 2 December 2012 (CET)

How it'd look on other pages.   Waahlis 15:15, 2 December 2012 (CET)


Haha, that looks awesome XD   Chrysophylax 16:00, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Do you like it? Or are you messing with me? XD By the way, on the matter of the pictures being displaced, I've checked on three browsers and I can't find anything. Is it that you're using your phone? :p   Waahlis 16:09, 2 December 2012 (CET)


No joke, I liked it. It looks very "neat" and "clean". And no, I also checked from the PC. It used to look like this -> File:Old page view.png   Chrysophylax 21:08, 3 December 2012 (CET)

Thank you! Any criticism is welcome on the talk page, so I can improve it! Oh, I never noticed. Glad 'tis fixed! :D   Waahlis 21:25, 3 December 2012 (CET)

Dagens

Hallå! Vad fipplas det med idag då? Du missade ju X-factor helt och hållet... :P   Waahlis 22:14, 7 December 2012 (CET)

Hahaha, skrivit om ett gammalt conlang, filat lite på dhannuá och ursprachet för den familjen.   Chrysophylax 23:21, 7 December 2012 (CET)

Ah, roligt! Jag rekommenderar starkt att du gör så att endast inloggade kan redigera forumet. Jag fick ta bort 7 trådar... :/ Dessutom kanske det vore att rekommendera att vi installerade ytterligare ett anti-vandalism tillägg. Det blir lite irriterande att hålla reda på vandalerna när man är ensam...   Waahlis 12:12, 8 December 2012 (CET)



Yarr, I noticed. Tagit själv bort runt fem-sex stycken. Hade tydligen missat att sätta allowAnon till false. Konstigt. Men det är fixat nu. Och ja, tänker på någon captchagrej.   Chrysophylax 12:56, 8 December 2012 (CET)

Bot prevention

we must add some prevention in user account creation against bots.   Emperor Zelos 14:02, 10 December 2012 (CET)

Yes, I agree. Have you seen the forum post?   Chrysophylax 14:24, 10 December 2012 (CET)

Main page!

It wasn't completed! It was experimental, and in need of administration opinions, as well as additional features and content! NO! :(   Waahlis 21:06, 14 December 2012 (CET)

I know :( but it beats our old main page by far! It's better even in its incomplete stage!   Chrysophylax 21:12, 14 December 2012 (CET) Also, we're not able to see which sections need attention asap, like the guide:intro… xD

I suppose, but still. I'll maybe be able to work on the main page this Sunday, but tomorrow's Liseberg for me! :P   Waahlis 21:49, 14 December 2012 (CET)

Nice! I've never been there :O. Have fun! :D   Chrysophylax 21:58, 14 December 2012 (CET)

A Merry, merry, merry Christmas to you!

God Jul Billy! :D

Vad sägs om att ändra vår logga under juletiden?   Waahlis 12:19, 24 December 2012 (CET)

God jul på dig med! :D

Det låter bra! :D Kanske fram till 31? sedan något med fyrverkerier? :D   Chrysophylax 17:02, 24 December 2012 (CET)

Absolut, det fixar jag! :)   Waahlis 12:52, 25 December 2012 (CET)

Hej!

Hej! Jag heter Llyn, angenämt :) Jag studerar tyska och spanska på universitetet i Bari, i Italien. Jag kan tala lite svenska, men jag är inte så sakkunnig :-P Jag har läst att du kommer från Stockholm (eller, i alla fall, att du bor där) :) Jag har besökt Stockholm i 2009: det är absolut ljuvligt! Jag saknar det så mycket!!! :( Jag har sett dina språk, Dhannuá ser interessant ut :)   Llyn 14:25, 04 January 2013 (CET)

Hola! Lei studia le lingue germaniche anche le latine? Impressionante! anch'io ho studiato il tedesco ma non lo spagnolo perché già lo parlo. Lei ha ragione, lì vivo! :D Grazie! C. 00:33, 5 January 2013 (CET)

Wow, you can speak Italian very well! But please say "tu", "lei" is too formal for me :) Entonces hablas español, bueno, así podemos comunicar en esta lengua, porque me gusta más que el inglés y la uso muy a menudo (y mejor) ;) Bien, hasta luego :)   Llyn 00:52, 05 January 2013 (CET)

Tack så mycket! Jag har dock endast haft möjligheten att studera språket i en termin på nybörjarnivå, tyvärr :( så om jag skriver fel någon gång, bli inte förvånad! Jag skulle gärna ha pluggat mer italienska men kursen tog slut. :'(
D'accord, on se tutoiera! Ah, prefieres el español al ingles? Que alegria! :D   Chrysophylax 17:54, 5 January 2013 (CET)

Fantastiskt! Jag har förstått allt, som du har skrivit! Väl, jag har nyttjat ordboken, men jag har förstått! Ahahahahah, jag är alltid glad, när jag kan förstå ett språk som jag studerar, fästan jag studerar svenska ända sedan nån vecka :-P Lo siento que no hayas podido estudiar más italiano: es una lengua bastante harmoniosa y bonita y no te preocupes si haces algunos errores, es normal, pero en lo que escribiste no hiciste ninguno :) Y, si puedo preguntarte, ¿por qué hablas español? Cuando fui a Suecia, usé el español para comunicar con algunas personas y aquí en linguifex eres la segunda persona a la que conozco que viene de Suecia y habla español :-P ¿Lo estudiáis allá?   Llyn 02:46, 07 January 2013 (CET)

Sí, español es uno de las lenguas modernas en la enseñanza básica y superior en Suecia - ha sido enseñado hace quizá 20 años. Casi la mitad de la poblácion sueca lo estudia :D . El resto elige alemán, francés o a veces chino.   Waahlis 10:31, 7 January 2013 (CET)

¡Pero! ¡No lo sabía! Entonces mucha gente estudia español allá... Ahora entiendo porque lo usaban tanto cuando yo estaba en Suecia :) ¡Qué guay!   Llyn 11:38, 07 January 2013 (CET)

Vote and discussion and opinions and miscellaneous

Most Gratious Senator!

I call for a vote!   Waahlis 20:40, 4 January 2013 (CET)

<wikiforumthread id=21 />

Fix... Please...

Would you please try to fix this? My coding incompentence is painfully apparent at the moment...

Declension of [[{{{base}}}]]
singular plural
' indefinite definite indefinite definite
nominative [[{{{1}}}#Swedish|{{{1}}}]] [[{{{2}}}#Swedish|{{{2}}}]] [[{{{3}}}#Swedish|{{{3}}}]] [[{{{4}}}#Swedish|{{{4}}}]]
genitive [[{{{5}}}#Swedish|{{{5}}}]] [[{{{6}}}#Swedish|{{{6}}}]] [[{{{7}}}#Swedish|{{{7}}}]] [[{{{8}}}#Swedish|{{{8}}}]]

  Waahlis 19:09, 8 January 2013 (CET)

I'm trying and all but I can't seem to make it work. I've been over to wiktionary and taken a look at their templates but idk what's missing here. Maybe some custom JS?   Chrysophylax 19:52, 8 January 2013 (CET)

I've imported, compared, added, customised and copied but it simply doesn't work! :(   Waahlis 20:36, 8 January 2013 (CET)


I'm trying too D: User:Chrysophylax/Sandbox/Template:SwedishWizardry. I don't see why it shouldn't work. Do we have the NavContent+Collapsible behaviour in our Common.css? My code skills aren't up to par. Perhaps Zelos knows better? He was always good with the templates.   Chrysophylax 20:48, 8 January 2013 (CET)

I did ask him on Wikkii... It never got done, so I wouldn't know... :/   Waahlis 20:49, 8 January 2013 (CET)

Imperial Conquest

I approve of how this wiki is becoming now, it will have great potencial :D   Emperor Zelos 19:47, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Potestas nostra magna sit! Imperium nostrum in legitimitate crescit et mox orbem teget! *maniacal laughter*. But on a more serious note, we are slowly improving, indeed we are.   Chrysophylax 20:10, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Idiomatical conquest

Ser man på. Svägerskan min är kroatiska. Og hvordan er din dansk? ;)   Waahlis 20:10, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Oooh! Hrvatica! Tja, jeg kan ikke tale dansk men jeg forstår helt ok. ;)   Chrysophylax 20:18, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Haha, da! Det er godt! Jeg taler dansk hver dag, likesom jeg snakker norsk med vennerne (og fetterne) mine! Det bli änna så här i sör! :P Å andra sidan så har jag fasligt svårt att förstå stockholmska... ;) På tal om det - har du den tonade retroflexa frikativan istället för /r/ ibland?   Waahlis 20:28, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Svårt att förstå stockholmska? Talar vi om klassisk stockholmska? Ca. 50-tal? Den är knepig att förstå även för dagens stockholmare. Vår kära stereotypiska e-älskande dialekt håller på att trängas undan och ersättas med mer TV-påverkad rikssvenska även här i caput nationis. När det gäller /r/ så nä, jag tror bara jag har hört sörlänningar (läs skåningar) bruka [R] (låtsas att den är uppochner). Jag har dock själv den Stockholmska satsmelodin som många uppfattar som mesigt i vårt avlånga land. ;)   Chrysophylax 20:40, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Nej, jag bara skojar... :p Överkalis är svårt att förstå, inte stockholmska... Och inte en uvular, den retroflexa - [ʐ]. Väldigt vanlig, åtminstone på TV. Ja... Er satsmelodi är... Intressant... :P Jag finner den uppriktigt ganska deprimerande, om än inte slätstruken (som smålandsmålen). :( Jag tror jag får ta och importera en speciell sida... :P   Waahlis 20:57, 9 January 2013 (CET)


Ah. My bad. Jag vet inte helt i vilken fon. situation [ʐ] skulle uppstå i stockholmska. Exempel? Rent spontant känner jag inte att det är ett fonem jag brukar särskilt ofta öht.   Chrysophylax 21:00, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Inte? Vanlig allofon i initial position samt efter plosiver. Liksom att det ibland blir en approximant när i lexemkoda. Den otonade varianten förekommer i otonade omgivningar. Detta är en känd fras som speglar stockholmska som den mest r-rika dialekten i Sverige; 6 olika!

  • Rolf pratar inte riktigt gärna med Brita
  • [ˈɾɔlf ˈpʂɑːtaɹ ˈintə ˈrɪktɪt ˈɡæːɳa meˑ ˈbʐɪta]

  Waahlis 21:15, 9 January 2013 (CET)


Nu när du säger det så upplever jag ett lite annorlunda r i vissa positioner, dock inte i initial/post-plosiv. Mitt /r/ försvagas i lexemkoda, det är riktigt. Jag ser dock bara 5 olika /r/ ? ɾ ʂ ɹ r ʐ?   Chrysophylax 21:46, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Det är möjligt att du saknar frikativan då. Glöm inte den assimilerade retroflexen i [ɳ]! :D Jämför med min dialekt, som åtnjuter spännande två allofoner! ɾ och r... Där r är vida mest förekommande. :/   Waahlis 21:57, 9 January 2013 (CET)

Contionary

isn't it good if we wait with adding until it is properly standardized?   Emperor Zelos 07:07, 10 January 2013 (CET)

Nah, better to start filling up, reach consensus, do small changes. At least both I and Waahlis have similar styles. 18:25, 10 January 2013 (CET)

Waahlis and Abuse of [Authority] (previously "Power")

I believe Waahlis is abusing his power to spite me, starting from creating a brand-new policy to counter what I had previously done (that is, blanked the page).
10:42, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf

I disagree. Abuse of power would have caused repercussions for you, and now there are none. No such reaction will occur, since I had forgot to transform an oral policy to a written one. Entirely my fault, and you needn't worry.   Waahlis 10:48, 14 January 2013 (CET)

This particular instance which I do indeed label "abuse of power" infringed on my liberty of blanking my page which I previously had. If that is your opinion on the term "abuse of power", I'll change the term to "abuse of authority". Fits more and doesn't imply repercussions for me.
I really have no reason to worry, and had you not been at fault, something previously legal would have been legal still.
10:51, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf

You are still incorrect in your statement of me intending to spite you. It was simply a good reminder of me needing to update the policy. Rather, your message is an apparent attempt to spite me, since I hardly consider restoring two topics on a talk page "Abuse of authority/power" and surely nor do you. But very well, let us both hope that he blocks me.  Waahlis 11:01, 14 January 2013 (CET)

And so comes sardony to save the day!
I actually do, since it's not about the restoring itself but rather the introduction of new policies to this wiki specifically to restore said two topics. If that isn't an attempt of spite, what is? You could've done it at any other time, sure, but you did it now; that's bound to raise at least two eyebrows.
11:07, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf

Why now and whether or not an attempt of spite? I repeat: It was simply a good reminder of me needing to update the policy. The causality was not you blanking a page, it was a blanking of a page. I do not see any reason to get worked up, as it was rather a fault than abuse.   Waahlis 11:16, 14 January 2013 (CET)

Still an abuse to me, since you saw something, made new policies that made it illegal, and then reverted it.
By the way, you don't have any vandalism policies? I guess you forgot those too?
11:18, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf

Since you claim that I went to spite you, I say you used Tu quoque there, since you've actually given no evidence nor circumstance as to you not wanting to spite me.
13:59, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf

This conversation is degrading. I will let Chrysophylax be the judge, as you intended.   Waahlis 14:42, 14 January 2013 (CET)

Further arguments for my side: Waahlis' retroactive application of law is not condoned by neither the German Federal Constitution (Artikel 103, Teil 2), nor the Swedish Constitution (Kapitel 2, 10§), while the British legal structure does indeed allow such retroactive application of law but only by express will of the Parliament.
Here it must be noted taht it isn't the individual punished but the act "repaired" to a state condoned by the current law while the previous state is in violation of said law except that it was condoned by the laws that applied at the time of creation of that state.
23:48, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf


You are correct in your assessment, although it is of little relevance to the operations of the website. I understand where you're coming from though.   Chrysophylax 22:21, 15 January 2013 (CET)

Demonstration

I would like to add to the record that you should take a look on the recent changes and that there is doubtfully any coincidence with the sudden event of things and that the current attempt is a divide and conquer approch.   Emperor Zelos 17:05, 14 January 2013 (CET)

I'd also like to add that I'm not trying to play Gabinius - he ended up found guilty for treason. Also, let's just wait until the golden guardian decides for himself.
17:27, 14 January 2013 (CET) Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf

Visite

Voulez-vous visiter DA? :)   Waahlis 23:27, 14 January 2013 (CET)

Déjà là.   Chrysophylax 23:34, 14 January 2013 (CET)

C'est lu. Verrai.   Chrysophylax 23:35, 14 January 2013 (CET)

De nouveau?   Waahlis 22:24, 15 January 2013 (CET)

Scripsi.   Chrysophylax 22:30, 15 January 2013 (CET)

^ Même chose.   Waahlis 21:19, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Arbitration

I have a question about this whole arbitration thing, do you have a mail adress I could contact you on?   Emperor Zelos 16:05, 18 January 2013 (CET)

I've messaged you on DA.   Chrysophylax 19:01, 18 January 2013 (CET)

That is all

I would like to initiate Chodchod. This operation will include the following components:

  • Everything

Which is divided in a group of divisions.

  • Contionary
  • Guides
  • Help
  • Templates
  • Advertisment

This is what needs to be done:

  • Standardise and templatise the contionary. If it were possible to make it a namespace, it would be excellent.
  • Devise and construct guides to explain wiki code, conlanging, contionary, templates.
  • Devise a system of categorising templates, and documentation.
  • A secondary priority, advertising the wiki.

I am willing to devise the categorisation system, and helping with advertising. You are excellent at guide making, and ο Χειροτέχνης Zelos handles templates.

Για το ουίκι σας, Χρυσόφυλαξ.
 Best regards, ο Αργυποιητής   Waahlis 18:58, 20 January 2013 (CET)


*lion king intro song*

The contionary has been given its own namespace. Since it is a new namespace I had to suppress the auto-capitalisation of articles in the new namespace. At the moment it is now fully case-sensitive so Contionary:mann and Contionary:Mann are different entries.

Regarding the recommended article style for the Contionary, after having been a bit on wiktionary I feel strongly inclined to include alternative forms first and then the etymology right at the top and any expanded inflection after the actual definition.

So, something like 

==Language== 
===Alternative forms===
===Etymology===
===Pronunciation===
===noun/adjective/verb/particle/blah===
- '''lemma''' (''bonus info, e.g. stem, plural, infinitive, perfect stem, etc. descr.'' actual info,); other info < if a language is more isolating, skip ====Inflection==== and enter data here?
- e.g. '''rex''' (''genitive'' [[Contionary:regis|regis]])
# def 1 in English
#* quotations/examples in the language itself.
# def 2 in English
#* quotations/examples in the language itself.
====Inflection====
====Usage notes====
====Synonyms====
====Antonyms====
====Derived terms===
====Related terms====

I personally am of the opinion that alt. forms at the top are useful when dealing with older/pre-spelling reform versions of words which can be handy for conlangers (what with our revisions xD). I think etym. should be closer to the top than pron. as I feel the pron. section should be closer to the lemma/def.

Besides that, I find Contionary:ethnema a wonderful example!

Opinions? –   Chrysophylax 21:28, 20 January 2013 (CET)

My two cents, I am not kinky on how it looks, just give me a standard to standardize in templates and I am content   Emperor Zelos 21:29, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I agree completely. I have even betrayed my own standards, it would seem, because the alternative form I normally above the etymology! :P You are however correct in that etymology should be on top. After all, pronunciation differs, etymology doesn't.   Waahlis 21:36, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Hill

Ta det lugnt med grammatiska grejer! De namnen du ger är för långa får dom, istället för "grammar tag", kalla det "GT-" eller helt enkelt kasuset ensamt eller något, det andra är för långt och sparar folk inget job.   Emperor Zelos 08:22, 21 January 2013 (CET)

Okej, det verkar finnas någon uppfattning om att allt ska vara förkortat så mycket som möjligt för att “spara” plats. Detta är en bra idé i lagom mängder. Grammar tags beskriver väl vad det är; GT däremot kan betyda GotlandsTidningar, Göteborgs-Tidningen, Gran Turismo, Guatemala, Gas turbine, Google talk, google translate, Gamla Testamentet, greek template, etc. Att reservera hela kasusets namn för inflection of-mallen känns lite overkill; någon kanske vill skapa ett kasustemplate senare som har fler funktioner. Därav kombinationen Grammar tag + kasus. Vi förlorar inte något på att ha det tydliga namnet "Grammar tag …case…". I värsta fall några bytes vilket jag lugnt kan säga att vi har råd med. :P

Poängen med grammar tags är att de ska användas i olika templates; inte i handskriven artikelwikimarkup. :P

Se t.ex. källkoden för Inflection of

<includeonly> <span class='use-with-mention'> {{#switch:{{{3}}}|m|f|n|c|s|d|p|abl|acc|com|ess|dat|gen|loc|nom|voc|ins={{grammar tag {{{3}}}}}|{{{3}}}}} {{#switch:{{{4|}}}|m|f|n|c|s|d|p|com|ess|abl|acc|dat|gen|loc|nom|voc|ins={{grammar tag {{{4}}}}}|{{{4|}}}}} {{#switch:{{{5|}}}|m|f|n|c|s|d|p|abl|acc|com|ess|dat|gen|loc|nom|voc|ins={{grammar tag {{{5}}}}}|{{{5|}}}}} {{#switch:{{{6|}}}|m|f|n|c|s|d|p|abl|acc|dat|gen|loc|com|ess|nom|voc|ins={{grammar tag {{{6}}}}}|{{{6|}}}}} {{#switch:{{{7|}}}|m|f|n|c|s|d|p|abl|acc|dat|gen|loc|com|ess|nom|voc|ins={{grammar tag {{{7}}}}}|{{{7|}}}}} {{#switch:{{{8|}}}|m|f|n|c|s|d|p|abl|acc|dat|gen|loc|nom|com|ess|voc|ins={{grammar tag {{{8}}}}}|{{{8|}}}}} of <span class='mention'>{{#if:{{{2|}}}|[[{{#if:{{{lang|}}}|Contionary:{{{1}}}#{{{{{lang|}}}}}|Contionary:{{{1}}} }}|{{{2}}}]]|{{#if:{{isValidPageName|Contionary:{{{1}}}}}|[[{{#if:{{{lang|}}}|Contionary:{{{1}}}#{{{{{lang|}}}}}|{{c|{{{1}}} }}}}|Contionary:{{{1}}}]]|{{{1}}}}}}}</span></span></includeonly><noinclude>{{documentation}} [[Category:Templates]][[Category:Experimental]][[Category:Contionary templates]] </noinclude>   Chrysophylax 17:47, 21 January 2013 (CET)

Poängen med TEMPLATES är att spara arbete, om de sparar ingen är de ultimativt värdelösa. och nej det kan inte betyda något av de saker du sa just för att detta är en conlang wiki, inte wikipedia eller diversewiki.   Emperor Zelos 18:25, 21 January 2013 (CET)

Varför inte greek template? GT-acc|GT-nom|GT-loc|GT-dat kan feltolkas som det språkets eller ett annat språks templates för diverse kasus. Grammar tag acc går inte att missförstå. Det är en grammatik"tag" för kasuset ackusativ. Jag håller med dig om att templates är värdelösa om de inte sparar tid men jag ser faktiskt inte hur dessa är det då de uppfyller en tidsbesparande funktion? Jag gav dig källkoden till {{inflection of}} som ett exempel; Här väljs korrekt grammatiktagg efter inmatningsvärde när den genererar meningen i deklinerade ords uppslagsformer. T.ex. skriver man {{Inflection of|lex|lēx|acc|s}} och får Lua error in Module:languages at line 561: bad argument #1 to 'concat' (table expected, got nil).. Istället för att skriva ''accusative singular of [[Contionary:lex|lēx]].'' och sedan skriva om varje gång man skapar en artikel för andra av ordets deklinerade former så kan man bara klistra in {{Inflection of|lex|lēx|acc|s}} och ändra den variabel som skiljer sig, t.ex. s->p för ackusativ pluralis. Jag vidhåller alltså att de här templates faktiskt spar tid. Men visst, de vore värdelösa om de vore ämnade att skrivas i artiklar som {{grammar tag acc}} då det går snabbare att bara skriva acccusative. Det håller jag med om. Det är dock inte meningen.   Chrysophylax 18:50, 21 January 2013 (CET)

Ni anar inte hur mycket jag uppskattar denna argumentation. Som jag väntat. (Jag vidhåller dock min punkt att Template:C är överlägset Template:Term... ;))   Waahlis 16:44, 22 January 2013 (CET)

Math

User:EmperorZelos/Units

Can you install so this looks right?   Emperor Zelos 16:55, 1 February 2013 (CET)

I tried installing math thingies before and it just broke the server repeatedly. I also don't actually have access to install executables on the server (I'm on a shared virtual host) and I think you need one for the math package so I'm not sure if that can be added presently. If I remember correctly someone made one math package that's fully browser-rendered with SVG and JS and HTML5 wizardry. But, it breaks on this wiki for some reason. :/   Chrysophylax 00:26, 3 February 2013 (CET)

darn, alright then.   Emperor Zelos 06:43, 3 February 2013 (CET)

Tryter

Gå till DA   Emperor Zelos 18:20, 2 February 2013 (CET)

hey guys

I've barely had any free time and I've been quite sick (I actually am very sick right now too, ugh) so I'm really sorry for not having been on, I've just been utmattad.   Chrysophylax 00:10, 3 February 2013 (CET)

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