Idavic languages

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Idavic languages/Lexicon
Idavic languages/Swadesh
Etalocin, eastern Txapoalli, Bjeheond
Linguistic classification:One of Tricin's primary language families
Proto-language:Proto-Idavic (PId)

Idavic or Idavo-Etalocian is a Trician language family which includes Dodellic. The urheimat is central-western Etalocin.

Inspiration: Afro-Asiatic

How does this become Netagin tricons?

Family tree


  • Consonants: b d dł j g gʷ p t tł č k kʷ q s ł š h ʔ m n ŋ l r w y ř (ř is a retroflex approx.)
  • Vowels: a e i u ā ē ī ū
  • Pitch accent: modal (á), creaky (ã)
    • Creaky voice is the source of glottal reinforcement in Shalaian and vowel shifts in Netagin.

Shalaian diachronics

  • b > v; ɓ > b; g > y, kh, or CL; j > ʒ; ng > ng3 > n3
  • Grimm's law: p t č kʷ q > f θ ʃ x H
  • q G q' > H ayin q
  • further shifts: kʷ' > kʷ > xʷ
  • Vowel shifts: ā > ō > /əʊ/, u > /ɒ/, iw > /ju:/
  • final -ā -ī shorten to -a -i
  • Loss of initial glottal stop, then loss of non-prevocalic /r/
  • Historical long vowels (also /ɑː/ from historical /ar/) shorten before /ʕ/
  • H and ayin merge with /h/ and hamza


Allowed root clusters

Allowed clusters with no glottal stop:

  • mC: mn ml mr my m3 mb md mj mg mp mt mtł ms mł mč mk mkw mq mh
  • nC: nm nr n3 ny nw nd ndł nj ng nt ntł ns nš nč nk nkw nq nh
  • lC: lm ln l3 ly lw lb ld lj lg lp lt ls lč lk lkw lq lh
  • rC: rm rn r3 ry rw rb rd rdł rj rg rp rt rł rtł rs rč rk rkw rq rh
  • 3C: 3m 3n 3l 3r 3y (never initial) 3w 3b 3d 3dł 3j 3g 3p 3t 3s 3ł 3tł 3č 3k 3kw 3q
  • Cm: nm lm rm 3m dm jm gm tm sm šm čm łm tłm km kwm qm hm
  • Cn: mn ln 3n bn dn jn gn pn tn sn šn čn łn tłn kn kwn qn hn
  • Cl: ml nl 3l rl bl dl jl fl tl sl šl čl kl kwl ql hl
  • Cr: mr nr għr vr br dr jr pr tr sr šr čr kr kwr qr hr
  • Cy: my ny ly ry 3y (never initial) by py dy ty sy šy ły dły tły gy ky qy hy
  • Cw: nw 3w dw dłw jw tw tłw sw łw čw qw
  • C3: m3 n3 l3 r3 b3 d3 j3 p3 t3 tł3 ł3 s3 š3 č3 k3 kw3 q3
  • XX: any cluster of 2 obstruents are allowed, as long as they agree in voicing and are not both dorsal (k, g, kw, gw, q); in addition, s + voiced stop and š + voiced stop


Combine German, Semitic and PIE morphologies

Tone changes were part of the morphology of Proto-Idavic. Shalaic retained the Proto-Idavic accent system, while Netagic lost it.

The three genders, the three numbers and the possessive suffixes are Proto-Idavic features. Shalaian added a new alienable-inalienable possession distinction by creating alienable possessive prefixes from genitive pronouns.


  • independent: lī, dā, kʷā, nidí
  • emphatic: *swi-li, *swi-da, *swi-kʷa, *swi-nídi

Root structure

Idavic roots were consonantal roots similar to PIE and Semitic languages: most roots were biconsonantals C-C or triconsonantals alternating between CVC(ə)C (also called the segolate form) and C(ə)CVC (also called the antisegolate form) by Schwebeablaut.

2-letter roots:

  • √t-q 'to say' (a source of Shal. θāħ)
  • √ʕ-d 'to shine, to show' (source of Shal. lyd 'bright'; ládmar 'happiness' comes from a root extension √ʕ-dm)
  • √ʕ-n 'high, raised'

3-letter roots:

  • √qdVb~qVdb 'true'

In Late Proto-Idavic, Schwebeablaut alternations are part of the inflectional morphology of a word. In Early Proto-Idavic they are thought to have been phonologically conditioned:

  • The default state is the CVCC form: qidb 'to be true'; qidbti 'loyalty'
  • With closed syllable in the prefix the segolate form is used: hin·qídb 'to verify' → li·hinqadb 'I verify'
  • With open syllable in the prefix the antisegolate form is used: ri·qádb 'to stay true' → li·ríqdab 'I stay true'


There were several ablaut grades:

  • zero-grade (CC)
  • a-grade (CaC ~ CCa or CaCC ~ CCaC)
  • i-grade (CiC ~ CCi or CiCC ~ CCiC)
  • u-grade (CuC ~ CCu or CuCC ~ CCuC)
  • lengthened grades: ā, ī, ū-grades (intensive? transitive? plural? nominalization? pair up with short grades?) These are more derivational than inflectional.
  • creaky voice: causative and intensive

Many prefixes and suffixes require certain ablaut grades.

Netagin is the only Idavic language to preserve the Proto-Idavic ablaut system and develop it into a system of verb conjugation, binyanim, and noun and adjective patterns. (How should it do that?)


√ʕ-d 'to shine'

  • Intransitive verbs: -ʕad- ~ -ʕid- ~ -ʕd- = to shine
  • Adjectives: ʕīd = bright
  • Noun:
    • ʕād = light
    • ʕā̃d = Sun, star? (singulativized collective)
    • creaky voice marked singulatives: ʕãd = ray; they were honorific-gender
  • Action or state noun: ʕud-ar = (state of) shining, brightness
  • Deverbal nouns:
  • Derived stems:
    • wa·ʕā́d = to polish
    • ʕãd-ī́r = to illuminate, to show (source of Shal. għa'téer 'to prove')
    • ʕád-m-ar = (root extension) happiness, joy
    • ʕíd-n-ar = (root extension) beauty, radiance


TODO: needs a more PIE-like feel; shift accents, lengthen/change root vowels

Proto-Idavic had 3 genders: inanimate (i), animate (a), and abstract (h). The abstract gender evolved to serve honorific functions in Shalaian, hence the abbreviation "h".

Nouns declined for four cases (nominative, accusative, dative, genitive) and three numbers (singular, dual, plural).

Idavic nouns could have plurals marked with case suffixes (weak nouns) and sometimes with ablaut and/or reduplication and then marked with singular suffixes (strong nouns). Broken plurals often developed into lexicalized singular nouns in Shalaian.


rū̃sa 'dog'
Singular Dual Plural
Nominative rū̃sa rū̃sandi rusā́n
Accusative rū̃say rūsandi rusī́k
Dative rū̃sam ??? rusī́s
Genitive rū̃sat ??? rusā́ka


acc = nom for inanimates and abstracts

šármi 'stone'
Singular Dual Plural
Nominative šármi šármindi šarmā́t
Accusative šármi šármindi šarmā́t
Dative šármin ??? šarmī́s
Genitive šármit ??? šarmā́ka


ʕídnas 'radiance'
Singular Dual Plural
Nominative ʕídnasi ʕídnasandi ʕidnā́si
Accusative ʕídnasi ʕídnasandi ʕidnā́si
Dative ʕidnásin ??? ʕidnā́sin
Genitive ʕidnást ??? ʕidnā́sit

Possessive suffixes

Possessive suffixes were added directly to the case form of a noun.

Possessor Suffix
First person singular *-li
Second person singular *-di
Third person singular *-hī ~ *-sī (his/her)
*-ha ~ *-sa (its)
First person plural *-kʷi
Second person plural *-nikʷi
Third person plural *-hist ~ *-sist


Adjectives agreed with nouns in number, gender and case.

Adverbs were formed from adjectives by replacing the case suffix with -u.

Class 1

ʕīd- 'bright'
singular plural
animate inanimate abstract animate inanimate abstract
Nominative ʕī́da ʕī́du ʕī́das ʕidā́n ʕidā́ ʕidā́si
Accusative ʕī́day ʕī́di ʕī́dasi ʕidī́ ʕīdā́ka ʕīdā́si
Dative ʕī́dam ʕī́din ʕī́dasin ʕidī́s ʕidī́s ʕidā́sin
Genitive ʕī́dat ʕī́dit ʕī́dasit ʕidā́ka ʕidā́ka ʕidā́sit

Class 2

Broken plurals; no gender distinction in plural


Verbs had the following forms:

  • imperative
  • imperfect (either nonpast or imperfective aspect)
  • past participle
  • infinitive or verbal noun
  • mi-infinitive (analogous to the German zu-infinitive)
  • mi-participle (analogous to the German zu-participle)

Verbs were not inflected for person.


There were two regular classes of verbs, strong and weak verbs, much like strong and weak verbs in Germanic. Note: The infinitive was formed in a variety of ways.

weak-unprefixed weak with separable prefix strong-unprefixed strong with separable prefix
imperative kadár! kadár čal! ʔakʷ! ʔakʷ nuš!
imperfect kadī́rik čal·kadī́r ʔákʷik nuš·ʔákʷ
active participle kadī́riškʷ- čal·kadī́riškʷ- ʔákʷiškʷ- nuš·ʔákʷiškʷ-
passive participle ʔa·kadirī́n- čálʔa·kadirī́n- ʔa·ʔúkʷč- núšʔa·ʔúkʷč-
infinitive kadérti čálkadérti ʔā́kʷi~ʔãkʷi~ʔā̃kʷi~ʔekʷi núšʔakʷi, núšʔekʷi, etc.
mi-infinitive mi·kadérti čálmikaderti mi·ʔā́kʷi~mi·ʔãkʷi~mi·ʔā̃kʷi núšmiʔakʷi, núšmiʔekʷi, etc.
mi-participle mi·kadī́riškʷ- čálmikadiriškʷ- mi·ʔákʷiškʷ- núšmiʔakʷiškʷ- etc.


Auxiliaries conjugated in imperfect and preterite tenses, in addition to the usual verb forms.

  • kan- 'to have' = haben
  • hī-, hā- 'to be' = sein
  • łar 'to come'/tay- 'to become' = werden

need modals


Lifted from German: V2, SAuxOV, verb final in subordinate clauses


Proto-Idavic had an extensive array of derivational affixes.

Root extensions: suffixes

  • Creaky voice marked intensive or transitive verbs like the Semitic geminate binyan
  • -ay (h): deverbal noun
  • With prefixed verbs, the stress shift derives verbal nouns: *ri·kʷā́n 'to rest' → ·ríkʷan 'rest'. This is the source of some infinitives being marked with stress shifts in Shalaian (riwháin, ríwhain 'sleep').
  • -gʷidi (i): augmentative; derives nouns
  • -t (i): verbal noun, resultative
  • -aʕ (a): agentive
  • -ī́r: causative verbs
  • -áy: causative, change of state
  • -ā́l: transitive or causative verbs
  • dan-: applicative, like German be-
  • tar-: frequentative
  • nar-: telic
  • šu-: mis-, over-
  • ur-: causative, change of state
  • ri-: detransitivizer, passive
  • -mak: nominalizer
  • n: continuative? frequentative?
  • C1aC2- reduplicant: graduative
  • -jan: instrument noun

Todo: separable prefixes