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i'm assuming the tones are like in Feisen | |||
after the second creolization, Very Early Reber will have just 3 tones | |||
falling, rising, low rising | |||
much like the history of mandarin | |||
Ø, t, s -> rising | |||
f, v, l -> low rising | |||
n, z, d, b -> falling | |||
(the northern invaders supposedly influenced the language) | |||
that means a lot of homophony which means a lot of compounding | |||
yes | |||
then the consonants | |||
retros should be preserved (or should they merge with alveolars or uvulars?) | |||
i might merge them with alveolopalatals | |||
so it's a kind of Rebero-Feisic | |||
Middle Wieb doesn't have alveolopalatals | |||
they should merge | |||
this is just the first stage | |||
with alveolars | |||
voiceless nasals merge with aspirated stops, retroflexes with alveolars, perhaps something happens to clicks as well | |||
clicks simply soften! | |||
so ! !h g! -> ɧ h ɧ̬ | |||
i prefer voiceless nasals > unaspirated stops | |||
we need more of them | |||
wine-whine merger, θ -> ɬ | |||
ð -> ɮ | |||
yes | |||
now, the vowels! | |||
the monophthongs shouldn't be much of a problem | |||
the closing diphthongs are more problematic | |||
aiC, auC, ... | |||
i:a ja -> ia | |||
> èC, òC | |||
yes | |||
aiɐ auɐ oyɐ -> eɐ oɐ øɐ | |||
actually i:a ja je -> ia | |||
u:a wa wo -> ua ... | |||
yes | |||
iaa, uaa, and üaa are separate | |||
i don't think i have them anymore | |||
ai au oy -> ei ou øy (and e o ø before consonants) | |||
eɐ oɐ øɐ > ɛː ɔː ɞː | |||
no, i'll keep them | |||
this is just the first stage | |||
yes | |||
the only click phoneme left is the nasal click | |||
so: | |||
m n ŋ! ŋ ɴ | |||
p t k q ʔ | |||
pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ | |||
b d g ɢ | |||
f s ɧ ɬ x χ h (ʂ merges with ɧ) | |||
z ɧ̬ ɮ ɣ ʁ | |||
w l | |||
ʐ merges with ɧ̬ | |||
yes | |||
vowels: ə: merges with ø: | |||
again not sure about the vowels | |||
so: ɑ e i o u y æ ø + long | |||
+ ei ou øy iə uə yə ea oa øa | |||
(i have to redo AW > MW vowel changes again) | |||
the voicing pairs aren't homophones yet | |||
now there are 32 consonants in Very Early Reber | |||
there should be a merger in the set /ɧ x χ h/ | |||
to get from that to Early Reber, i'm thinking of these changes: | |||
ŋ ~ ɴ | |||
ɧ~χ | |||
yes | |||
x~h? | |||
no | |||
satemization? | |||
yes! | |||
that works | |||
k q ʔ -> tʃ k q -> ʃ k q | |||
or ɕ k q | |||
ʔ > q: really? | |||
yes | |||
to make it more distinct | |||
no thanks, i think i'll keep ʔ - or drop it | |||
actually maybe middle wieb has ʡ | |||
i think i want to drop initial ʔ like mandarin | |||
or maybe not, if neck thai and terg both ahve initial ʔ | |||
then, a breathy voice epidemic! | |||
p pʰ b f -> p pʰ bʰ f -> b p p f | |||
yes | |||
that doubles the number of tones | |||
to 6 | |||
maybe i'll just have tʃ tʃʰ ʃ | |||
or just tʃʰ > ʃ | |||
before the tone split | |||
tS tSh dZ S Z (after satemization) | |||
tS dZ S Z (after merger) | |||
tS tSh S (after tone split) | |||
or maybe not, they can make affricates just fine | |||
tS tSh dZ S Z (after satemization) | |||
tS tSh S (after tone split) | |||
tie languages and terg both have them | |||
Ø, t, s | |||
f, v, l | |||
n, z, d, b | |||
yo, those tonal categories aren't valid for middle wiebian! | |||
they're partially allophonic | |||
so it's really tone blaoighnity when the split comes along | |||
sounds good | |||
then the 6 should merge into 4 | |||