User:Ceige/Ceigean Intergerman

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Intergerman-CJ#[1..4]
Created by Ceige
Setting Real-world, Alt-Hist.
Region Europe
Language family
Early forms:
Proto-Germanic
  • Intergerman-CJ#[1..4]
Writing system Latin
ISO 639-3


Background

This project is largely a reaction to some comments made by one of the contributors to Interslavic, and also a reaction to Interslavic itself. Earlier on, I had tried making a Germanic IAL (like all new conlangers with an interest in Germanic langauges!), but nothing special or particularly professional. Not that I expect that to have changed, but I would like to try my hand at it again, exploring some new ideas that have popped into my head by seeing success in other areas of making IAL conlangs.

The 3 standards

  • #1 (also #1a), the attempt to bridge things between the Anglo-Saxon and Netherlandic/German branches of Western Germanic. It does this by largely winding back the clock on certain changes in the languages till they are close enough to bridge easily.
  • #1b, like the above but giving English more influence in terms of post-Proto-Germanic long A.
  • #2 does not take into account the current state of sound changes in terms of vowels at least, and sends all vowels back to their Proto-Germanic values. Grammar is based on the most conservative form of the modern Germanic languages.
  • #3 is like #1b, but is fundamentally differentiated in that it doesn't attempt to backtrack through sound changes at all to find compromises, instead instituting compromises based on the current value of sounds in English and Dutch/German. This results in a complete merger of *ai and *au, for example.
  • #4's guiding principle is "majority (or the closest thing to one) wins; tradition be damned". *ai and open-syllable e(:) merge, *au and open-syllable a-mutation u merge, and so on.

Cross-Standard habits

Design

  • English, German and Dutch are the three principal design oriented sources with the Scandinavian languages being there for tie-breaking

Orthographical

  • Long vowels (for that standard) are marked by circumflexes, e.g. â, ê, î, ô, û.
  • F and V are distinguished in the orthography (Old-English and Norse don't have enough weight to skew this one).

General Trends

Orthographical

  • Ð is preferred over Þ, largely thanks to German and Dutch.
  • W is often used separately to V, largely thanks to English and Dutch (ʋ).

Grammatical

  • #1, #3 and #4 lose majority of inflectional endings, especially nominally.

Sound Changes

Proto-Germanic IG#1 IG#3 IG#2 IG#4 Natlang Examples IG Examples
1a 1b 3a 3b Proto-Germanic English Hochdeutsch Dutch Scandy (Swedish) IG#3 IG#4
ā, a: â æ â â hataz hate Hass haat hat hæt hât
ē₁ ê æ â dēdiz deed Tat daad dåd dæd dâd
ē₂ ê hē₂r here hier hier här hêr
ī ai î ai īsą ice Eis ijs is ais
ō u ô u bōks book Buch boek bok buk
ū au û au hūsą house Haus huis hus haus
a+i ä e ä e a e badją bed Bett  !bed bädd bäd bed
ō+i ü y ü y ô u bōkijǭ beech Buche boek *bök- (bok) bük buk
ü bōkīnaz beechen büchen *boeken (?) büken büken
*o+i ö e ö e o ö - - - - - - -
ū+i ay~ai û au hūdiz hide Haut huid hud haid haud
brūdiz bride Braut bruid brud braid braud
ei~ey ai (äu) brūdigumô bridegroom Bräutigam bruidegom brudgum braidgum braidgum/braudgum
u+i y, ü u ü furistaz first Fürst vorst först- fyrst fürst
u+a o, ô u o, ô *hupōną hope hoffen hopen *hoppa hôp- hôp-
ai æ œ ai ê bainaz bone Bein been ben bœn bên
au œ au ô raudaz red Rot rood röd rœd rôd
eu y i, î i, î, ju eu î seukaz sick siech ziek sjuk sîk sîk
skeutaną shoot schießen schieten skjuta schjut- schît
ijō frijōndz friend Freund vriend frände frînd frînd
þ ð þ, -ð- d (-t?) thousand tausend duizend tusen ðausend dausend
ĭCV i~e (é?) i e libjaną live leben leven leva lév- lev-
ŭC(:)a o u o slutą, kukkaz *slot, cock schloss, ?? slot  ??, < kokkr slot, cock slot, cock
ŭC(:)- u munþaz mouth Mund mond, muide mun munð, mauð mund, maud
VnS > V:(n)S freely no maybe

Possible Future Considerations

Orthography

  • Should long vowels be marked at all beyond immediate syllabic environment?
  • Should long vowels be marked with acute accents, macrons, circumflexes, h's, or doubling letters?
  • Could long vowels be marked with colons?
  • Do people find it easy enough to access the right keyboard layouts to use accent marks?
  • æ and œ are harder to put accents on, as are ä and ö
  • If umlauting is incorporated (as it almost will certainly be due to English, German and General Scandinavian), how should it be marked as far as o+i and u+i are concerned?
  • How should the diphthongs be rendered? Like in IPA, German, English, or Dutch?
  • Should IG#4's ê be ei?
  • Should IG#4's î be ie?