Verse:Irta: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 02:25, 30 January 2022

In this versespace:

Verse:

Verse talk:

Irta (Hivantish for "Earth") is an alternate history of IE and nearby cultural regions. The premise is "different diachronic evolutions of English, Hebrew, Māori and a few other languages". Some other languages like French and Arabic are a bit more different from our timeline. Some names refer to completely different languages: for example "Yiddish" is not a Judeo-German but a Judeo-Gaelic, with native name ăn Yidiș [ən 'jɪdɪʃ] (the name we will use to avoid confusion).

The proto-branch of English in this universe is set in what would be Spain and Portugal in our timeline.

The only IE branches in Irta not directly inspired by any real life IE languages are Mixolydian, Thurish and Hivantish.

Sketchpad

Hivantish can be dominant in the British Isles and most of continental Europe while English is mostly spoken in former colonies?

South America is mainly French- and Irish-speaking?

Emmy Pafnoether /paf'nouθə/ (via a language with dental stops, from Coptic pafnu:tə, from pa-p3-nťr 'he of the god', ~ Pafnuty. -r was added back when her ancestors were Azalic). She shortened it to Noether, unaware of the etymology

Sprachbünde

Western Europe and North Africa

Large vowel systems

This sound shift/sprachbund began with the development of Proto-Azalic itself. Remarkably, Spanish was spared of the massive vowel shifts, because it lacked vowel length and had a simple 5-vowel system.

The Maghrebi sprachbund is considered the "core" of this sprachbund. Languages outside of the Maghrebi sprachbund:

Ăn Yidiș
Proto-Azalic and English
French
British Hivantish

North African

Khmerization (from RTR/emphaticness > creaky voice, ATR/nonemphatic > breathy voice), resulting in some of the largest vowel systems in Irta.

Uvular R, which vocalizes in some languages

Headedness varies but likes suffixed definite article

Nüüretampuor
Irtan Maghrebi Arabic
an Azalic language

Hivantish

Old Hivantish
- Modern Hivantish

Mixolydian

A satem IE isolate written in the Latin alphabet; pronunciation is quite similar to Pinyin

Inspired by Polish and Albanian (aesthetically); Greek and Latin (grammatically)

z c s zh ch sh r rr j q x = /z ts s ʐ ʈʂ ʂ ɹ/ɽ r ʑ tɕ ɕ/

dz dzh dj = voiced versions of c ch q

Stop aspiration is as in Persian (st sounds like sth etc.)

j from PIE *y, y is used for /j/ in loanwords and from vowel breaking of PIE *e, e.g. yest "is" <- Proto-Mixolydian *esti

today Mixolydian is a small minority language; Mixolydians have almost entirely shifted to local languages (English, Greek, Romance, Iranian, Indian, Chinese)

Latin and Romance

Latin is a tonal language like Greek and Sanskrit

Hyperfrench

French through Proto-Slavic -> Russian sound changes (nasal vowels get denasalized etc.)

r -> h consistently; a four way stop distinction as in Hindi

Modern Latin

A language actually named after a cognate of "Latin" spoken in Latium; it has a roughly Catalan/Romanian/Occitan aesthetic

Latzial?

Should be close to Southern Italian lects (that gave us "capeesh")?

Ladino

Should Ladino be Judeo-Latzial rather than Judeo-Spanish?

Balkan Romance

A Modern Spanish gibby Romance language is spoken in the Balkans, in a sprachbund with Irtan Modern Greek; however, it has completely different sound changes from Spanish.

Modern Greek

Written in a version of Linear B, roughly Syllabics + katakana inspired

a lot more ways to write /i/ depending on PIE etymon? maybe *i and *iH can use different glyphs?

Hypergreek

Some sound splits conditioned by PIE etymon which are merged in Proto-Greek but do not affect intelligibility for a Modern Greek speaker

Portuguese gibby Hellenic

Elicá

Irtan Yevanic

should be similar to our Modern Greek but with way more Arabic loans

The Yevanim bring Arabic culture to Jews in Irta, whereas in our world it was the Sephardim.

Mitanni

Weirdest interpretation of Mitanni cuneiform

English

Main article: Azalic/English

Most in-universe English dialects don't merge some PIE sounds, like *ei and *ī, which are merged in Proto-Germanic. Otherwise they sound a lot like English accents from our timeline.

Hyperamerican

an English accent with lots of non-Germanic sound splits as well as General American sound mergers

LOT ~ THOUGHT, but PIE ey !~ PIE ī

Semitic

Proto-Central Semitic
- PNWS
  - Togarmite
  - (Hyper-)Canaanite
    - Hebrew
    - Crannish
  - Aramaic
- Arabic
Proto-East Semitic
- Akkadian
- Far East Semitic

Hebrew

Main article: Verse:Irta/Hebrew

Paleo-Hebrew in this universe distinguishes most consonants of Proto-Semitic, unlike in our timeline. This is reflected in some in-universe Hebrew accents which preserve distinctions like צׁ (tsadi w/ right dot) /ts̠/ vs צׂ (tsadi w/ left dot) /ts/, cognate with Arabic emphatic S/Z and D.

Though in-universe Tiberian Hebrew is identical to that in our timeline, some in-universe reading traditions, such as Gaelic Hebrew, distinguish

cholam from Proto-Semitic *u and *aw = /o/
cholam from Proto-Semitic *ā = /u/ (/uə/ in some other reading traditions)
Proto-Semitic *ū = Swedish u (/u/ in some other reading traditions)

Some accents merge the first two vowels like our TibH and Israeli did, some merge the second two, and others, such as Ăn Yidiș Hebrew, keep all three distinct. Hyper-Israeli reflects the first (and qamatz qatan) as (Seoul) Korean eo, the second as Korean o, and the third as Korean u.

Arabic

Classical Arabic is the same as in our timeline. Arabic is not spoken in our Maghreb, but is spoken in Turkey (with lots of Turkic loans).

There are heavily Irish-influenced Arabic dialects spoken in Canada's Irish-speaking regions. For example, 'I like X' can be something like dZei:d ma3i X (where dZei:d doesn't inflect) in these dialects, a calque of Irish is maith liom X. Irish-sounding verbal noun constructions like "ina fi qråtuh" = 'I'm reading it' (lit. "I am in its reading", like Táim á léamh) are also common. (Arabic could grammaticalize VNs this way since they haven't already grammaticalized as they have in Hebrew)

Egyptian

get "Noether" or "Paf-Noether" (a Padmanábha surname) from *nāťar 'god', via a divergent descendant of Old Egyptian

Māori

Proto-Austronesian in Irta has the same urheimat as in our timeline but a very different phonology and morphology; its phonology is small like Finnish and its morphology is Altaic-ish; its evolution into Māori as we know it, a VSO language, is analogous to PIE's evolution into Irish.

Celtic

PCel is basically the same as ours, but we're taking the liberty to derive more hypothetical words cognatizing directly from PIE.

(Hyper)Celtic
- Goidelic
  - Old Irish
    - Verse:Irta/Icelandic Gaelic
    - Middle Irish
      - Verse:Irta/Modern Irish
      - Ăn Yidiș
- Brythonic
  - Old Galatian
    - Galoyseg

Alternate history Canadian Gaelic

Can date back to Primitive Irish times, incorporates Algonquian loanwords

or should it be a Celtic-Algonquian creole?

Brythonic

Proto-Brythonic should be the same as ours

A priori

Cuam

Drug names

Phonology

The phonology is a simplified version of Irish phonology:

/k g x ğ č dž š j t d s n p b f v m r l/ c g ch gh ť ď š y t d s n p b f v m r l; /a e i o u/ a e i o u

č dž š are treated as slender t, d, s in Irish.

There's a restriction on the set of initial consonants, because of Irish initial mutation. The only permissible initial consonants are:

k č t p m n r l

All drug names are treated as masculine in Irtan Irish.

Morphology

The Irtan drug naming system tends to be prefixing rather than suffixing, unlike our timeline's drug names.

Sinitic and Sino-Xenic

Mandarin

In-universe Mandarin has two scripts: an alternate history Pinyin and a Hebraization invented by __.

East Asian languages in Irta generally use the Roman alphabet

Alternate history pinyin: uses Zhuang tone letters

b p m f, d t n l, z c s, zr cr sr r, ź ć ś (or otherwise unmarked; clear from context), g k h

a, ae, au, an, ang

y for Pinyin e

"z" by itself is used for Pinyin "zi", Pinyin "ji" is written "zi" or sometimes "gi" (this alternate history Pinyin is introduced during Early Modern Mandarin times so literate users keep older distinctions though spelling mistakes are common nowadays)

Hibernization of Mandarin (used in Irta)

bó pó mó fó do to no leo go co cho dí/gí tí/cí sí/chí draoi traoi sraoi raoi dsaoi tsaoi saoi

a o í ó ú ű aigh oigh abh obh an in ang ong úng ar/-r (broad)

ea é ean in eabh eobh eang ing iúng

bha bhó bhaigh bhuigh bhan bhon bhang bhong

ibhé ibhean iűn

Judeo-Mandarin

A form of Zhongyuan or Southwestern Mandarin

used in the Jewish Autonomous Region of Apple PIE China

Initials

באָ פאָ מאָ ףאָ טא תא נא לא קא כא חא ק'י כּ'י שי זרי צרי שרי רי זי צי סי

Rimes

אַ א אי אָ אוֹ אוּ a e i/(i after retros and dentals) o u ü; the dot in יִ can be omitted.

אַי עי אַל' אָל' אַן אן אַנק אנק אוֹנק אר/-ר ai ei ao ou an en ang eng ong er/-r

ל'אַ אָ ל'אַי ל'עי ל'אַן ל'אן ל'אַנק ל'אנק wa o wai wei wan wen wang weng

ייאַ ייע ייאל' ייאָל' ייען ייִן ייאַנק ייִנק ייוֹנק ya ye yao you yan yin yang ying yong

אוּע אוּען אוּן yue yuan yun

ole telisha-gedola etnahta darga = Tones 1 2 3 4 (not motivated by similarity to cantillation melodies; important thing is visual distinguishability)

should use tone letters instead, Hmoob style

Sample

ר֠אן־ר֠אן ש֫ראנק א֠ר ז֧י־י֠אָל׳, ז֧אַי ז֫ל׳אן־י֠ען ח֠א ק֠׳וּען־ל֧יִ ש֧ראַנק י֫יִ־ל֧וֹ פ֠ינק־ט֑אנק. ת֫אַ־מאן ף֧וֹ־י֑אָל׳ ל֑יִ־ש֧יִנק ח֠א ל֠יאַנק־ש֫יִן, ב֧יִנק י֫יִנק י֑יִ ש֫יוֹנק־ט֧יִ ק֫ל׳אַן־ש֧יִ טא ק֫׳יִנק־ש֠ראן ח֧וֹ־ש֫יאַנק ט֧ל׳אי־ט֧אַי.

Rénrén shēng ér zìyóu, zài zūnyán hé quánlì shàng yīlù píngděng. Tāmen fùyǒu lǐxìng hé liángxīn, bìng yīng yǐ xiōngdì guānxì de jīngshén hùxiāng duìdài.

Japanese

ch, j written as slender t d/z

Subete no ningen va, umarenagara ni site ziıụ de ari, catsu, songen to cenli to ni tsuite bioηdoη de aru. Ningen va, liseη to lioηsin to o sazucerarete ori, tagai ni doηhọ no sẹsin o motte cọdọ sinacereba naranai.

R in native words, L in sino words

η for historical -ng

-ts, -c for final -tsu, -ku in sino words

ceu /kjo:/ "today" <- *kefu?

English words and wasei-eigo are written in italics; this isn't true of Romance words, e.g. pan "bread"

the word for thank you is written "obligatọ" by folk etymology

Accents

Apple PIE Japanese can distinguish slender d and slender z

Korean

Standard Korean is the same as our timeline's Seoul Korean but is written in the following orthography invented by Samuel McAbram, inspired in part by Ăn Yidiș orthography.

Motyn incanyn θea̞nar depuθa̞ tzaıuroumıa̞ cy tzona̞mcva cva̞nrie̤ issa̞ toηtyηhata. Incanyn θza̞nputza̞cyro isa̞ηcva ıaηsimyr puıa̞patassymıa̞ sa̞ro hıa̞ηtze̤eý tza̞ηsinyro heηtoηhaıa̞ıa hanta.

a̞ could be a with a qamatz-like symbol under it?

/e/ was marked with a tsere-like diacritic under the e (e̤) and /E/ was written with e with a segol under it, but today only tsere is used.

eu eui written y ý

alt-history Sinitic languages

Swedish/Icelandic inspired Sinitic

Second-largest Chinese lect in Irta

Develops its own version of erhua (transcribed -r) from Cuam influence but it means something different

njem 'to think' > njemr (the m is lenited) 'thoughts'

Sinospheric IE

Indosphere and Austroasiatic

Tamil can use Cyrillic

Vietnamese can use an abugida based on the Far East Semitic abugida

Religions of Irta

Europe

French, Latzial and Irish: Catholicism
- French: a "Reformation" which results in something very much like our Unitarianism but it's started by ex-Catholics
Azalic: another Reformation (called Remonition/Remonitionist Reformation in universe; "remonish" is an obsolete in-universe synonym for "protest". Very different from our Protestantism, more like "Christianity turned Buddhist"), minority Catholicism (the King James Bible does not exist as we know it but another text is used)
- The two Remonitions (which are both anti-Trinitarian; the second is overtly maltheist) trigger migration to America; in Crackfic Irta they also spark a wave of migration to Tricin.
- Similar movements in the Hivantish and Muslim worlds
Hivantish: Hivantish paganism, Remonitionists are a minority
Balkan Romance and Greek: Greek Orthodox
Ăn Yidiș and Irta Yevanic: Judaism (obviously)

Africa

Maghreb: Buddhist, Catholic

Asia

Tamil, Indian Austroasiatic: druids; Catholic, Remonitionist, Sufi (various levels of syncretism)
Togarmite: Sufi, various Hellenistic
Far East Semitic: Sufi, druids, animist, Jewish