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|name= Middle Ravenish  
|name= Ravenish  
|nativename=''tiudiskon''
|nativename=''tiudisko''
|pronunciation= tiy̯.diʃ.køn
|pronunciation= tiy̯.dis.
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
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'''Middle Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''tiüdiskön''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart|[tiy̯.diʃ.køn]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''tiudisko''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart|[tiy̯.dis.]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
 
While its vocabulary derives for the most part from [[w:Proto-Germanic|Proto-Germanic]], there is significant Finnish influence in its phonology, grammar, and lexicon


==Introduction==
==Introduction==
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===Summary of changes from Proto-Germanic===
===Summary of changes from Proto-Germanic===
tiüdiskön is a Germanic lang, it's directly descended from Proto-Germanic, it's spoken in Finland and has been since the late stage of the earliest form, [[Proto-Ravenish]], meaning it has significant amounts of influence from Finnish, even attaining vowel harmony from it, then through colloquial simplification, the modern form uses vowel harmony grammatically, nominative forms are marked through front vowels while accusative is marked through back vowels, the genitive simplified to the suffix 'er', and the dative to '-ir'.
All case endings are fully dropped, Genitive and Dative are marked through affixes, nominative and accusative are marked through vowel harmony.


==Etymology==
==Etymology==
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! colspan="2" | Letter
! colspan="2" | Letter
|-
|-
! /ɑ, ɑː/
! /ɑ, æ/
| style="border-right: 0;" | a, aa || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | ä, a || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /æ, æː/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ä, ää || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /d/
! /d/
| style="border-right: 0;" | d || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | d || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /ɤ, ɤː/
! /ɤ, e/
| style="border-right: 0;" | e, ee || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | ë, e || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /e, eː/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ë, ëë || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /f/
! /f/
| style="border-right: 0;" | f || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | f || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /g, gʷ/
! /g/
| style="border-right: 0;" | g, gv || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | g || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /h, hʷ/
! /h/
| style="border-right: 0;" | h, hv || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | h || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /i, iː/
! /i/
| style="border-right: 0;" | i, ii || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | i || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /j/
! /j/
| style="border-right: 0;" | j || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | j || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /k, kʷ/
! /k/
| style="border-right: 0;" | k, kv || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | k || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /l/
! /l/
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| style="border-right: 0;" | n || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | n || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /o, oː/
! /o, ø/
| style="border-right: 0;" | o, oo || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | ö, o || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /ø, øː/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ö, öö || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /p/
! /p/
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| style="border-right: 0;" | r || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | r || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /s, ʃ/
! /s/
| style="border-right: 0;" | s || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | s || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
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| style="border-right: 0;" | t || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | t || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /u, uː/
! /u, y/
| style="border-right: 0;" | u, uu  || style="border-left: 0;" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | ü, || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
! /y, yː/
| style="border-right: 0;" | ü, üü || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! /ʋ/
! /ʋ/
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|-
|-
|}
|}
'ṿ' is often used in educational texts to help distinguish from a consonant cluster.


===Consonants===
===Consonants===
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|-
|-
!  
!  
! colspan="2" | [[w:Labial consonant|Labial]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:Labial consonant|Labial]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Dental consonant|Dental]]<br/>/[[w:Alveolar consonant|alveolar]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:Alveolar consonant|alveolar]]<br/>/[[w:Palatal consonant|Palatal]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:post-Alveolar consonant|postalv.]]<br/>/[[w:Palatal consonant|Palatal]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]<br/>/[[w:Glottal consonant|Glottal]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]<br/>/[[w:Glottal consonant|Glottal]]
|-
|-
! [[w:Nasal consonant|Nasal]]
! [[w:Nasal consonant|Nasal]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced bilabial nasal|m]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced bilabial nasal|m]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar nasal|n]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced alveolar nasal|n]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | ([[w:Voiced velar nasal|ŋ]])¹
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced velar nasal|ŋ]])¹, (ŋʷ²)
|-
|-
! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless bilabial stop|p]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless bilabial stop|p]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | t /[[w:Voiceless dental stop|]]/, t̪ʷ || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar stop|t]], [[w:Voiced alveolar stop|d]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], [[w:Voiced velar stop|g]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], kṿ /kʷ/ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced velar stop|g]], gṿ /gʷ/
|-
|-
! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless labiodental fricative|f]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless labiodental fricative|f]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]], sṿ /sʷ/ || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | ([[w:Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]])³ || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiceless glottal fricative|h]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless glottal fricative|h]], hṿ /hʷ/ || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! [[w:Approximant consonant|Approximant]]
! [[w:Approximant consonant|Approximant]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | v /[[w:Voiced labial approximant|ʋ]]/
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced labial approximant|ʋ]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar lateral approximant|l]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced alveolar lateral approximant|l]], [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
|-
|-
! [[w:Trill consonant|Trill]]
! [[w:Trill consonant|Trill]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar trill|r]]
| colspan="1" | [[w:Voiced alveolar trill|r]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
|}
|}


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|-
|-
!  
!  
! colspan="8" | [[w:Front vowel|Front]]
! colspan="4" | [[w:Front vowel|Front]]
! colspan="8" | [[w:Back vowel|Back]]
! colspan="4" | [[w:Back vowel|Back]]
|-
|-
!  
!  
! colspan="4" | [[w:unrounded vowel|unrounded]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:unrounded vowel|unrounded]]
! colspan="4" | [[w:rounded vowel|rounded]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:rounded vowel|rounded]]
! colspan="4" | [[w:unrounded vowel|unrounded]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:unrounded vowel|unrounded]]
! colspan="4" | [[w:rounded vowel|rounded]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:rounded vowel|rounded]]
|-
|-
!  
!  
! colspan="2" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:short vowel|short]]
! colspan="2" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
! colspan="1" | [[w:long vowel|long]]
|-
|-
! [[w:Close vowel|Close]]
! [[w:Close vowel|Close]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|i]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|i]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|iː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front unrounded vowel|iː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|y]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|y]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|yː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close front rounded vowel|yː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|u]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|u]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|uː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close back rounded vowel|uː]]
|-
|-
! [[w:mid vowel|mid]]
! [[w:mid vowel|mid]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|e]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|e]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|eː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front unrounded vowel|eː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|ø]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|ø]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|øː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid front rounded vowel|øː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid back unrounded vowel|ɤ]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back unrounded vowel|ɤ]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid back unrounded vowel|ɤː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back unrounded vowel|ɤː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|o]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|o]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|oː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Close-mid back rounded vowel|oː]]
|-
|-
! [[w:Open vowel|Open]]
! [[w:Open vowel|Open]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æ]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æ]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open front unrounded vowel|æː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑ]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑ]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑː]] || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" | [[w:Open back unrounded vowel|ɑː]]
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
| colspan="1" |
|-
|}
 
====Diphthongs====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
! Diphthongs
! Ending with {{IPA|/i/}}
! Ending with {{IPA|/u/}}
! Ending with {{IPA|/y/}}
! Opening
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/ɑ/}}
| {{angbr|ai}} {{IPA|[ɑi̯]}}
| {{angbr|au}} {{IPA|[ɑu̯]}}
|
|
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/æ/}}
| {{angbr|äi}} {{IPA|[æi̯]}}
|
| {{angbr|äy}} {{IPA|[æy̯]}}
|
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/o/}}
| {{angbr|oi}} {{IPA|[oi̯]}}
| {{angbr|ou}} {{IPA|[ou̯]}}
|
|
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/e/}}
| {{angbr|ei}} {{IPA|[ei̯]}}
| {{angbr|eu}} {{IPA|[eu̯]}}
| {{angbr|ey}} {{IPA|[ey̯]}}
|
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/ø/}}
| {{angbr|öi}} {{IPA|[øi̯]}}
|
| {{angbr|öy}} {{IPA|[øy̯]}}
|
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/u/}}
| {{angbr|ui}} {{IPA|[ui̯]}}
|
|
| {{angbr|uo}} {{IPA|[uo̯]}}
|-
! Starting with {{IPA|/i/}}
|
| {{angbr|iu}} {{IPA|[iu̯]}}
| {{angbr|iy}} {{IPA|[iy̯]}}
| {{angbr|ie}} {{IPA|[ie̯]}}
|-
|-
|}
|}
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===Phonotactics===
===Phonotactics===
===Morphophonology===
===Morphophonology===
==Morphology==
==Grammar==
===Morphology===
Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '<sup>?</sup>' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.
Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '<sup>?</sup>' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.
===Pronouns===
====Pronouns====
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Colloquial personal pronouns
|+ Standard personal pronouns
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mük}} || {{term|muk}}
| {{term|muk}} || {{term|mük}}
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
| {{term|ünk}} || {{term|unk}}
| {{term|unk}} || {{term|ünk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|üns}} || {{term|uns}}
| {{term|uns}} || {{term|üns}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|mükṿ}} || {{term|mukṿ}}
| {{term|tuk}} || {{term|tük}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | dual
! colspan=2 | dual
| {{term|ünkṿ}} || {{term|unkṿ}}
| {{term|unk}} || {{term|ünk}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|ünsṿ}} || {{term|unsṿ}}
| {{term|juur}} || {{term|jüür}}
|-
! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
| {{term|ur}} || {{term|ür}}
|-
! feminine
| {{term|suu}} || {{term|süü}}
|-
! neuter
| {{term|ut}} || {{term|üt}}
|-
! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
| {{term|uur}} || {{term|üür}}
|-
! feminine
| {{term|ijaar}} || {{term|ijäär}}
|-
! neuter
| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijö}}
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}}
|-
|}
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+ Informal personal pronouns
|-
! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
|-
! rowspan=2 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|muk}} || {{term|mük}}
|-
! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
| {{term|muka}} || {{term|mükä}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|tuk}} || {{term|tük}}
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|tuka}} || {{term|tükä}}
|-
|-
! rowspan=2 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
! rowspan=2 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
| {{term|ür}} || {{term|ur}}
| {{term|ut}} || {{term|üt}}
|-
! ! colspan=2 | plural
| {{term|uta}} || {{term|ütä}}
|-
! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
| {{term|se}} || {{term|së}}
|-
|}
 
All the informal pronouns here are marked under the epicene, see the below noun table to see how to mark for gender.
 
====Nouns====
All stems merged under a stemless form marked with vowel harmony and suffixes, this greatly reduced system makes the grammar arguably simpler than an analytical system due to how severely basic the inflectional system is.
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|+
! !! colspan=4 | Masculine !! colspan=4 | Feminine !! colspan=4 | Neuter !! colspan=2 | Epicene
|-
! !! colspan=2 | Singular !! colspan=2 | Plural !! colspan=2 | Singular !! colspan=2 | Plural !! colspan=2 | Singular !! colspan=2 | Plural !! colspan=1 rowspan=2 | Singular !! colspan=1 rowspan=2 | Plural
|-
! !! Definite !! Indefinite !! Definite !! Indefinite !! Definite !! Indefinite !! Definite !! Indefinite !! Definite !! Indefinite !! Definite !! Indefinite
|-
! Nominative
| -ar || -oo || -ai || -anir || -o || -uun || -aar || -uunir || -an || -oo || -o || -ono || - || -a
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | plural
! Accusative
| {{term|üür}} || {{term|uur}}
| -är || -öö || -äi || -änir || -ö || -üün || -äär || -üünir || -än || -öö || -ö || -önö || - ||
|-
|-
! colspan=3 | reflexive
! Dative
| {{term|së}} || {{term|se}}
| -äümär || -äümöö || -äümäi || -äümänir || -äümö || -äümüün || -äümäär || -äümüünir || -äümän || -äümöö || -äümö || -äümönö || -äüm || -äümä
|-
|-
|}
|}


===Nouns===
Genitive is marked through '-n', it's added after the conjugation stem, so the Genitive nominative of 'rust' would be 'rustarn'
Stems are named in accordance with their PG equivalent.
 
====a stems====
====Verbs====
====ō stems====
Verb declensions haven't changed much, the dual has fell out of use outside of formal situations, where even there it's rare, the dual is sometimes still used casually for couples, like 'they're walking together (as partners)' is {translation here}
====ī/jō stems====
====i stems====
====u stems====
====ōn stems====
====īn stems====
====r stems====
====z stems====
Merged with the r-stems because of the roticization of final z, thus this is no longer used.


====Root nouns and consonant stems====
====Adjectives and Determiners====
Adjectives and determiners use the same declension as nouns except a very small difference, an infixed '-i-', so 'rusty' would be '*rustiar' (actually 'rustag'), this has no etymological origin, instead being added as a countermeasure to keep nouns and adjectives from declining, and thus appearing, identical.


===Verbs===
====Adverbs====
===Adjectives and Determiners===
====Numbers====
===Adverbs===
===Numbers===


==Syntax==
===Syntax===
===Constituent order===
====Constituent order====
The word order is mostly free, the base order is SVO, but this is subject to change when importance needs to be stressed on one word.


===Noun phrase===
====Noun phrase====
===Verb phrase===
====Verb phrase====
===Sentence phrase===
====Sentence phrase====
===Dependent clauses===
====Dependent clauses====


==Example texts==
==Example texts==
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| Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
| Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
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|-
| Ravenish ||  
| Ravenish || hat! uns gaizdanarn un järändägäümänir {þeïdöökïnïngöön þrumjaz gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungoz aljanan framidëëdun}
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| Pronunciation ||  
| Pronunciation ||  

Latest revision as of 18:54, 15 October 2024


Ravenish
tiudisko
Ravenish flag.png
Pronunciation[tiy̯.dis.kø]
Created bywfosøra
Indo-European
Early form
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Ravenish (autoglossonym: tiudisko; Ravenish: [tiy̯.dis.kø) is a Germanic language, with strong influence from Finnish. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now North Ostrobothnia. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.

Introduction

Goals

  • Fun
  • Learn more Germanic

Setting

Inspiration

  • Finnish
  • Proto-Germanic
  • My love for old Germanic languages

Summary of changes from Proto-Germanic

All case endings are fully dropped, Genitive and Dative are marked through affixes, nominative and accusative are marked through vowel harmony.

Etymology

The language name derives from the same source as German Deutsch, þiudiskaz. The English name is in reference to a cultural aspect of the people, their unusually large reverence for Ravens, they place an oddly high importance on Ravens even for a Germanic tribe.

Phonology

Orthography

Orthography
IPA Letter
/ɑ, æ/ ä, a
/d/ d
/ɤ, e/ ë, e
/f/ f
/g/ g
/h/ h
/i/ i
/j/ j
/k/ k
/l/ l
/m/ m
/n/ n
/o, ø/ ö, o
/p/ p
/r/ r
/s/ s
/t/ t
/u, y/ ü, u
/ʋ/ v, b

Consonants

Consonant phonemes
Labial alveolar
/Palatal
Velar
/Glottal
Nasal m n (ŋ
Stop p t, d k, g
Fricative f s h
Approximant ʋ l, j
Trill r
  1. allophone of /n/ before /k/
  2. allophone of /n/ before /kʷ/
  3. allophone of /s/ before velars and at word ends

Vowels

Vowel phonemes
Front Back
unrounded rounded unrounded rounded
short long short long short long short long
Close i y u
mid e ø øː ɤ ɤː o
Open æ æː ɑ ɑː

Prosody

Stress

Stress, like in PG, still lies solely on the first syllable unless prefixed, where stress moves with the root word.

Intonation

Phonotactics

Morphophonology

Grammar

Morphology

Take ALL forms with '?' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a Possible form.

Pronouns

Standard personal pronouns
Nominative Accusative
first
person
singular muk mük
dual unk ünk
plural uns üns
second
person
singular tuk tük
dual unk ünk
plural juur jüür
third
person
singular masculine ur ür
feminine suu süü
neuter ut üt
plural masculine uur üür
feminine ijaar ijäär
neuter ijo ijö
reflexive se
Informal personal pronouns
Nominative Accusative
first
person
singular muk mük
plural muka mükä
second
person
singular tuk tük
plural tuka tükä
third
person
singular ut üt
plural uta ütä
reflexive se

All the informal pronouns here are marked under the epicene, see the below noun table to see how to mark for gender.

Nouns

All stems merged under a stemless form marked with vowel harmony and suffixes, this greatly reduced system makes the grammar arguably simpler than an analytical system due to how severely basic the inflectional system is.

Masculine Feminine Neuter Epicene
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Definite Indefinite Definite Indefinite Definite Indefinite Definite Indefinite Definite Indefinite Definite Indefinite
Nominative -ar -oo -ai -anir -o -uun -aar -uunir -an -oo -o -ono - -a
Accusative -är -öö -äi -änir -üün -äär -üünir -än -öö -önö -
Dative -äümär -äümöö -äümäi -äümänir -äümö -äümüün -äümäär -äümüünir -äümän -äümöö -äümö -äümönö -äüm -äümä

Genitive is marked through '-n', it's added after the conjugation stem, so the Genitive nominative of 'rust' would be 'rustarn'

Verbs

Verb declensions haven't changed much, the dual has fell out of use outside of formal situations, where even there it's rare, the dual is sometimes still used casually for couples, like 'they're walking together (as partners)' is {translation here}

Adjectives and Determiners

Adjectives and determiners use the same declension as nouns except a very small difference, an infixed '-i-', so 'rusty' would be '*rustiar' (actually 'rustag'), this has no etymological origin, instead being added as a countermeasure to keep nouns and adjectives from declining, and thus appearing, identical.

Adverbs

Numbers

Syntax

Constituent order

Noun phrase

Verb phrase

Sentence phrase

Dependent clauses

Example texts

Beowulf Sentence 1

Language Sentence 1 of Beowulf
English Indeed (or 'Yes!')! We of the Spear-Danes, in days old, had our great kings who discovered the glory of what that man's courage could do.
Old English Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
Ravenish hat! uns gaizdanarn un järändägäümänir {þeïdöökïnïngöön þrumjaz gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungoz aljanan framidëëdun}
Pronunciation

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