User talk:Waahlis

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Default message aside, thanks for dropping by! There is no intrusion, only welcoming! ;) - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (CET)

Design

I always liked the blue-ish button theme. They are quite awesome.

On another note, I like the idea embodied in your draft for a new logo, although I can't say I really approve of the Castellar font. It feels a tad out of place. I appreciate the Latinate origin of the word and the connection with the font family of Roman style letters but I don't know. Castellar and Trajan don't feel particularly welcoming to me. Perhaps something more modern but still classy? Adobe Caslon Pro is quite similar to Castellar in its capital shapes and conveys class without straying into dusty old books territory… hmm besides that, I think it's quite classy without being cheesy (like the current one, lol) - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Hm, it seems it changed the three first bottom lowercase examples to the same font. Ah, sigh. - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 22:17, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear! Couldn't find a bigger one could you?

I actually suspected you wouldn't, I suppose that's obvious from your personality. I am not sure about the current one though... My aesthetic senses itch when I see it... But I'm sure I'll come up with something that you'd prefer!

Éstas, ¿qué te parecen: File:Linguifex 2.0.png y File:Linguifex 3.0.png?

Waahlis (talk) 22:31, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh! Qué decisión más difícil. Tertia versio tua oculos meos delectat. Tranquilitassecuritasque incarnat, inquit Chrysophylax. Placetne tibi ista "Castellar"? Fortasse tibi placebit altera versio cum capitalibus? Si Caslon tibi displicet alteram scripturam invenire possumus.

- Chrysophylax (talky talk) 22:52, 8 November 2012 (CET)

So I temporarily switched the site logo to the th ird one you suggested to see how it felt with the site layout. I think it looks lagom snyggt. Vad tycks? - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 23:02, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Me alegra que si.Non mihi placet valde multum, malo tertia versio, et non credo alteram versionem cum capitalibus mihi placeam. Ignosce linguae meae...

Μου αρέσει, αγκαλά είναι άσημι, εγώ θέλω κάτι πολύ... framträdande. --Waahlis (talk) 16:27, 9 November 2012 (CET)

Mégan semeiophoron hemeteron theleis; Hmm... fortasse tibi litterae factae cum coloribus in nomine nostro placebit? sý ʿara tó theleis; egō ʿellenika tēn glōssan oʾu fēmi :( - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 21:47, 9 November 2012 (CET)

Aha! ʿeureka! What about a more framträdande förstasida? Det vill säga, Main_Page skulle kunna ha något mer imponerande som en banner. You know, something that says awesomeness and is visually attention-grabbing. I'd personally prefer it on the first page than always drawing your attention like the irk…wikia-logo. What do you think of this? - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 21:50, 9 November 2012 (CET)

Oooh, that's a very archaic Greek. I'll avoid writing it then. Colours.... Well, not exactly to recommend in a logo... And yes of course! You wouldn't know because you can't read minds, but I am actually sketching on a front page right now, and yes, it'll draw attention! And by the way... 08? Allvarligt talat? Stön... ;P --Waahlis (talk) 00:19, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Well, the only Greek I've ever taken is Ancient Greek (which I'm in the process of commencing to learn. My grasp of it is proto-proto-proto-existent.) I must admit, I'm not a very successful Roman aristocrat, what with my limited command of the noblest of tongues. Thus, I propose to temporarily abandon the old sermones for some English! As we've seem to have done already.

Hehehehe. True, colours tend to look a bit nasty in logos. I think the logo looks quite nice with the recently changed skin though. What do you think? Also, I've started fixing up Dhannuá here, seeing as its one of the most developed languages I have on paper (technically Word/PDF documents scattered over my harddrives) but yes, irrelevant rambling aside, it's good to see some corpus developing. Your Attian has me most intrigued!

On another note, have you heard anything from anyone on the Wikkii-wiki? Nothing against your company (it's most enjoyable! :D) but it sure does feel a little empty. That, and I'd be elated if more people actually started using this, because if there's one thing I like almost as much as conlanging itself, it's reading about well-thought out conlangs! /sad phylax.

Vadan denna antipati mot caput nationis? ;)

- Chrysophylax (talky talk) 02:11, 10 November 2012 (CET)

The only Greek I have extensively studied is Modern. Other, archaic forms were sort of included... At least it is better than my Latin, which I can only read properly. Excellent, you've switched to Vector as well? Or have you somehow standardised it, because if you have, my preferences tell the sote to override any other skin... And you know I like Dhannuá! It is very aesthetic, and very faithful to its Indo-European heritage! Why thank you!

Well, we conjecture that the hurricane Sandy is to blame for the down-time, as it seems to have coincided fairly well with the date Wikkii went down. I don't really have the contact info on anyone on wikkii except the admins, and MOB has been alerted where this wiki is. :D He'll probably come join us!

Let's just say I prefer the framsida before the baksida... ;P Will you have more time to edit today? Waahlis (talk) 07:46, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Ah, I see! And yes, vector is the new standard until someone overrides it. Thanks for the praise. ^^. And ah, sadness. And, I might later, much later today. I have to attend certain events tonight… but bis bald! - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 17:36, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Imports

How are you importing stuff? Google cache? Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 19:04, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Actually, I don't think code's possible to import by Google cache... :/ I just used wikia for the documentation templates. For Nāmic as well (which made it slightly unupdated). We could give it a try at the caches though. Waahlis (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2012 (CET)

No, the source code is messed up but it's still better than nothing. I don't think anything significant will have been lost but anything that is is still annoying. Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 19:40, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I suppose. I'm sure the site will get back to its usual self eventually, but I do find this site better, more reliable. --Waahlis (talk) 19:56, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I read through some comments online and people that have contacted Wikkii have had no response - but I hope you're right. I don't know how he would know but Rostov said the data aren't lost. Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 20:07, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I did that as well, on Facebook. I am fairly sure they wouldn't just shut down it all. Well, he wouldn't. There's a strong indication though, that loosing the data when the server collapses seems to be rather uncommon. Granted that the server comes back online, that is... Waahlis 20:16, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Chromaesthetics

Purple. Blue. Orange.

Also, on another note, are we doing away with the "Create a language"-box on the main page? - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 03:22, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Would you mind getting a blue administrator sphere then? :D Of course not, as I said: a very preliminary draught of a Main page.

By the way, would you mind not answering my messages to you on my talk page? :P It gets rather cluttered, I think! Waahlis 12:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Apologies, I should've continued the conversation on my own talk page per convention. I understand the cluttered argument fully :P… I get confused when I haven't slept well. A blue administrator sphere would be cool. Is purple out of the question though? - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Of course, I understand! Hehe, well, I think that if EmperorZelos'd come back, he'd have a lot stronger feelings about that colour than you... :P Your choice though! Nevertheless, the code for a signature like the one administrators' had on Wikkii is: [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' Which looks like this: Chrysophylax
-- Waahlis 20:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Ah. I see. What with that emperor title. Hmpf... If he does not object to sharing the colour (after all: In omnio anno rei publicae duo consules fuerunt, qui in toga picta vestiebantur) I'd opt for purple myself. Purple is the colour of magistrates after all. If he would be completely averse to sharing then… we shall have that discussion when/if it comes. ;) But hey, thanks for awesoming up the wiki! That admin symbol is quite impressive too. Thanks for it :)

Btw, I saw you added some links to en.wiki…, so I added some shtuff to the db. w: should work for interwiki linking. - Chrysophylax (talky talk) 21:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

I don't know whence the name, actually... :/ Sí, sí, supongo que si. Let's just say that he's not very big on sharing... I can't think of any awesoming so far...! I've imported one or three templates, categorised a bit. But I do think it'd be fun should you use the admin symbol! It gives us a bit of consitency! :D Waahlis 22:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Hey, YOU!

Hi :3 Just imported loads of stuff EmperorZelos (talk) 17:49, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Hi there! Välkommen! :D Excellent, I'll give you a hand. Don't forget to consult the domain owner! -- Waahlis 19:42, 12 November 2012 (CET)

THere is alot of work to be done but of course we'll talk to the guy :P He is an admin aswell now and got a voice. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Purple;">Zelos</span>]]''' (talk) 20:05, 12 November 2012 (CET)

and my signature doesnt work! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CET)

You're signature's messed up... :/ Well, I'll walk around change some details, content and organise the naming of the templates (new project of mine). I'll work on a better Main page as well. Also, the Random word feature doesn't work. -- Waahlis 20:09, 12 November 2012 (CET)

how do I fix the signature? I tried yours and my old one, fucking fails!

And good, and it doesnt because he hasn't installed some basic features. once he does it should work '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Finally!  Emperor Zelos 20:12, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Ehm, I left a piece of code on Billy's talk page, which he used? Are you sure you've got the "wikitext" square checked? Waahlis 20:13, 12 November 2012 (CET)

I got it resolved now.

we'll get around to it, we need new front page, new icon, new everything.

Poetry

Just thought you ought to know that your For a Girl in the Messinese language inspired me to translate a couple of poems into Zamoran a week or so ago :P Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán 22:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Why thank you! I'm glad people like that one! :) Waahlis 08:00, 13 November 2012 (CET)

New Extensions

The gnomes have added Slideshow. I seem to recall you using it somewhere, so I figured you'd appreciate it Chrysophylax 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET) A proper forum (see Extension:WikiForum) is coming. Chrysophylax 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

This is going to kick ass  Emperor Zelos 08:02, 13 November 2012 (CET)

"Is it a plain? No. Is it a bird? No. Is it Batman? No. - It's the Extender!" "Extenders - on dvd the 27th of November." And oh yes, Zelos, it will! :D Waahlis 08:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I have already suggested additional extensions that can and will be useful to us, one is MP3 playing so we can have audio recordings :D  Emperor Zelos 08:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Summons

Your presence has been requested in User_talk:EmperorZelos#Userboxes by Chrysophylax.

Hey!

Hey Waahlis! :P I saw your message and came over. How has it been? I've been caught up in school, so I'll try to come here periodically. Anything I need to know?
CL^{/ˈtɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/} 21:38, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Hi CL! I'm glad you made it! It's been fine, not very much conlanging, though.. :P You? :) I don't think so... We're still trying to set the place up - I am currently organising the templates (which takes ages...) and I'm going to make a new Main page! Since you're good at coding, you could help Chysophylax and Zelos if you want? :) Other than that, just keep calm, fix your lang and be social! :D Waahlis 22:30, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I'll see what I can do coding-wise; my codes are written a little strange. But here I can learn from professionals! I can also help with transferring comlang over; when you start, just message me.

If you want to I can help organize the templates with you; I'm kinda an organization freak. XD But on a serious note, I don't mind organizing stuff, so if you want me to help, just say so. I know it can get a bit boring. :)
CL^{/ˈtɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/} 21:09, 14 November 2012 (CET)

P.S. sorry if I use ":P" too much; I try to limit myself a lot on doing it. If I didn't, you'd see it a lot more. :P

Well, I'm not a coding angel either... I just pick things up and survive... :/ Well, right now, coding isn't that much of an issue, I believe. However, importing the comlang would be great, including if you could import the archives for it then! :D

On the organisation; yes, please I would like help! The others aren't much for that kind of thing, and I need all the help I can get! I'll fix a few rules for you to follow if you're interested! :D

And as you see, I've got no problem with smilies - I think they give informal texts a bit of nuance! ;) Waahlis 21:19, 14 November 2012 (CET)

I'm interested in organizing. Not to be demanding, but, I would the rules of what I can or can't do and a list of to do's as soon as you can get around to writing them; I'm bored out of my mind right now. :P Thanks for letting me help. X)
CL^{/ˈtɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/} 21:34, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Of course. Thing is, I recall you're American, and whilst it's daytime in the US, it's starting to get late here in Sweden... :P Could I get it for you 'till tomorrow? :) Waahlis 21:55, 14 November 2012 (CET)

And I should have thought of that to. :/ Yeah, you can get it to me tomorrow. :)
CL^{/ˈtɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/} 22:00, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Thoughts

Seeing as you're the apparent leading in-house scholar on Indo-European languages I'd like to ask you for some thoughts regarding this most anciente and wickede variant of Classical Dhannuá.

Bhōzōiōm Lūdhas peri sar sa dānaizā dhānnwa ta bhōzānd sann i āuzir nissīr sei ta izd sa aliūzella swēsor dhānnwar Lūsanar.

Bhōz-ō-iōm

Lūdhas

peri

sa-r

sa

dānaiz-ā

dhānnwa

ta

bhōz-ānd

sa-nn

i

āuz-ir

niss-īr

sei

ta

izd

sa

aliūzell-a

swēsor

dhānnw-ar

Lūsan-ar

speak-1sg-1sg.encl

Lūdhas

about

she-gen

she

dānair-gen.pl

tongue

subclause.prt

speak-3pl

she-acc

loc.prep

eastern-gen.pl

isle-gen.pl

they

subclause.prt

be.3sg.pres

she

another-fem.nom

sister

tongue-gen.sg

Lūsan-gen.sg

Lannarīzānd sēseid R rōd Z ca aliūzella aljūza sei.

Lanniazānd

sē-seid

R

rōd

Z

ca

aliūzell-a

aljūz-a

sei

twist-ipfv.pst-3pl

refl.intensifier-they.dat

R

for_purpose_of.prep

Z

also

different-neut.pl

thing-neut.pl

they

The translation ends up something like: "'I Lúthais, say of that, that dánaizian tongue that they speak in the eastern isles, that it is another sister of the tongue of Lúsan. They have changed for themselves r for z and other strange things."

It's a non-rhotacised variant so to speak. Cf. Continental Silver-age Classical Dhannuá bhōzō, bhōz– with Standard Dhannuá bhóran, bhór-. Chrysophylax 01:46, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear, where dd you get that from? :P Flattering, though!

Let's see... from Bhōzōiōm from *bʰeh₂, then peri from *peri... Why voice*h₁és(e)t(i) to izd? Also, I suppose the "she" and "they" are feminine demonstratives? Maybe you could gloss that differently? Also, the Lannarīzānd is not that transparent to me...! Amazing language, truly! :D Waahlis 20:39, 14 November 2012 (CET)

In the Continental varieties intervocalic s gets voiced, thus *h₁és(e)ti -> *ízeti -> ízəd -> izd. This is somewhat sporadic because there is some analogical levelling present. Lannarīzānd is actually miswritten I see now. For starters it should be -ānd and not -zānd. Then the stem is off too, *lnk-ya- (0-grade derivative of PIE **lenk-) should have developed into lannia- (at least in this dialect). The PIE sigmatic aorist -> imperfective past is here affixed. (s > z) (I appear to have added the Insular version -rī- for some weird reason.)

lannia-z-ānd
twist-ipfv.pst-3pl

change/twist/distort are the defs. of the verb lanniad. Thus while literally "they have twisted for themselves" I translated it as changed. And regarding sa/sei: the pronoun system in Dhannuá is quite "broken". The s- forms appear to have taken over, so while the plural sei appears to be from **seh₂i it is not. (the feminine plural is sai). It's instead poor *toi becoming likened to *seh₂i and thus giving sei. Just in case you wonder about the dative in -d; the Dhannuán dative is technically a mischung of the IE ablative with its -d, inherited from thematic -ōt, and the true dative in -ōy.

I'll fix the weird glossing. I had forgot that demonstrative pronouns were called for, it seems. It's obvious that's what should be there. xD ANyhow, regarding Lannazānd, I wouldn't have caught it had you not pointed it out. Doing things purely in the head is quite uhh, brain-hurting after a while. Thanks :D Chrysophylax 23:25, 14 November 2012 (CET)