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AntiSpamHQ

And since this appears to be the Anti-Spambot Combat HQ I thought I'd update you guys with some details regarding our new captcha system. It's practically infinitely extensible as it consists of asking people to answer a simple question when they register. If one question is cracked, we can add new ones. I'm also looking into some tools that let you limit the allowed usernames on site (I'd guess eliminating numbers from usernames would result in a lot less spambots) while being only a mild, if any, inconvenience to any real user. Chrysophylax 09:01, 26 April 2013 (CEST)

Remove the numbers, we just got one again Emperor Zelos 13:22, 26 April 2013 (CEST)

Didn't work, add more questions, many more. May I suggest somes? ----(Zelos)

No, it appears it didn't. :/ What is your current question, Chrys? Waahlis 20:01, 26 April 2013 (CEST)

"Type in the word, glottalstop" Emperor Zelos 17:25, 28 April 2013 (CEST)

I suspect we're being targeted by spambots with manual regs, i.e. they outsource questions/captchas to people that speak English,who for a pittance of cash answer them, and then bots go apeshit with spamming. Sigh. At least I think we're past the auto-reg bots. As can be seen from the registration times this has slowed down a tad.

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It's no longer five accounts on the exact same minute. Anyhow, looking into account approval extension.

Chrysophylax 20:34, 29 April 2013 (CEST)

I don't see why they would target us, tehre is not enough traffic to really justify it. Emperor Zelos 06:24, 30 April 2013 (CEST)

I don't think they base their targets on traffic. They just want more links to their pages, doesn't matter how. The registration system worked fine though, having inaugurated it myself! Waahlis 12:04, 1 May 2013 (CEST)

Language de qualité

Y-at-il un projet pour faire revivre le "langage de qualité"? Ou quelque chose comme un "défi à traduire"? Je suis passé par CALS et j'ai traduit près que tous leur challenge, mais ça commence à me faire ennuyer.

De plus, pourriez-vous regardez et faire critique de Fén Ghír comme vous avez fait avec Umbrean?

- --Fauxlosophe (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2013 (CEST)

Mais ouis, nous seulement devons contrôler les règles et la procédure! J'ai importé quelque textes.

Bien sure, si tu voudrais. Mais je suis très franc! Waahlis 12:48, 5 May 2013 (CEST)

Ah, très bien. Je les ferai bientôt.

Mais, je sais pas comment vous pourriez me offenser. À mon avis, ma page a l'air de manque quelque chose et je veux seulement savoir quoi.

Et merci pour en commencer avec les nominations pour langage de qualité,

--Fauxlosophe (talk) 21:59, 5 May 2013 (CEST)

Ne t'inquiète pas, je n'ai pas l'intention de t'offenser! Et de rien. Je vais commencer une suggestion concernant les traductions bientôt. Waahlis 17:38, 6 May 2013 (CEST)

Ah, I'm worried my meaning might have gotten lost in the translation; I meant to say "I don't know how I could be offended by it"; judging by how you looked over Zelos' page, your criticism seems concise and constructive so honesty is an asset. I posted the request after doing some major page repairs and I have a couple other fixes in mind so I'm not overly attached to any terminology or the lay out particularly. Judging by the above and a mention in the forums, I suspect you're going to suggest adding a Liepzig gloss? I've looked over the manual again earlier and will be free to add one to the example phases soon.

Thanks for adding my translation to the mainpage,

--Fauxlosophe (talk) 22:06, 6 May 2013 (CEST)

Featuredlang

Think it is time for it?

Emperor Zelos 13:26, 5 May 2013 (CEST)

I think we'll never get to it if don't start. You get things done by working on them coninuously.

Let's do this! Waahlis 13:28, 5 May 2013 (CEST)

LET'S ROCK AND ROOOOOLL! Emperor Zelos 15:55, 5 May 2013 (CEST)

Translated Mainpage

Hey, I saw the blank conlang translations at the bottom of the Mainpage and I took some initiative with my own, which is completed [except for the content of bars] here.

Could you put it up for me?

-Fauxlosophe (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2013 (CEST)

Absolutely. Just a second. Waahlis 18:38, 6 May 2013 (CEST)

Nomination

Hej, hur mår du? Allt bra? Jag hoppas det :) Jag skriver till dig för att säga att jag har översatt "bannern". Hur kan jag infoga den i voterigens sida? Min översättning finns i "Aarlaansk-sidan". Tack så mycket :) Llyn 16:49, 06 May 2013 (CET)

Jag mår utmärkt, tackar som frågar! Själv? Bra, jag har flyttat översättningen till forumsidan. Och vi säger bara "votering" om det rör en votering i riksdagen. Annars är det en "omröstning". :) Prego! Waahlis 17:30, 6 May 2013 (CEST)

Tack för korrigeringen, nu har du lärt mig en ny sak på svenska. Jag studerar mycket, eftersom jag måste göra Swedex-tentan den 3:e i juni :) Du är alltid jättesnäll med mig, "en riktig riddare" (säger man här i Italien) :) Hej så länge! Llyn 19:52, 06 May 2013 (CET)

Tack så mycket! Detsamma! :) Och jag läste vad du skrev innan din ändring i meddelandet, och vi får väl se...! Lycka till! Jag vet ju inte vad Swedex går ut på, men du klarar det säkert galant!

Waahlis 10:55, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

P.S. Snäll "mot" ;) D.S

Tack så mycket :) Jag hoppas det också :) Jag ska låta dig veta :) Llyn 14:35, 11 May 2013 (CET)

Discussion

Hey Wallstreet, how about we great a discussion between two people to give something to translate? Emperor Zelos 15:32, 7 May 2013 (CEST)

Sounds like an interesting idea. Maybe on dA, if so? Bit easier to communicate. Waahlis 10:56, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

FeaturedLang

Glad to know you guys are finally doing this! I think it'll help everyone (me included) to get fired up and do some conlanging. Heck yes. Newrhotic (talk) 00:18, 10 May 2013 (CEST)

Glad you agree! Yes, we need to get kicking around here! It's not all done, but it will be in the end! Don't forget to vote or nominate! Waahlis 10:57, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

Examples

Umbrean/Examples

Whatcha think? Emperor Zelos 18:52, 10 May 2013 (CEST)

That looks excellent! Although I would recommend you to format the Umbrean text and the English one differently. Umbrean in bold, for example. I trust they are to be inserted on the Umbrean page? Waahlis 10:58, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

Linked, not inserted. It gets ugly if you ask me. Emperor Zelos 11:49, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

Hmmm... I disagree... As you probably know...! :P Waahlis 14:28, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

I know :P But I am a seperatist, I prefre having shit seperated and neatly, grammar on one page, examples on another Emperor Zelos 17:24, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

Little favor

Hi Waahlis, could you do me a little favor and have a look at this page? My knowledge of linguistics is rather poor, so I'm not sure how those forms are called in English. Dē Graut Bʉr (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

Of course, doing favours is why I'm here!

Let's see, you're Dutch, right? What would you call them in your native language? I'll see if I can translate first:

Bassform: Dē jaggter sgit dē konin. - The hunter shoots the rabbit. - Present tense
Trʉgtytform: Dē jaggter sgiti dē konin. - The hunter shot the rabbit. Past tense (or preterite/imperfect)
Giyntnē form: Dē jaggter heppt dē konin gisgit. - The hunter has shot the rabbit. - Perfect tense (or present retrospective)
Byform: Dē jaggter will dē konin sgitē. ("Dē jaggter will sgit dē konin" iss aug a kunnighyt) - The hunter will shoot the rabbit. - Future tense
Nuig zeggform: Dē sgitnē jaggter iss inn dē boss. - The shooting hunter is in the woods/bushes. - Present participle
Trʉgig zeggform: Dē gisgitnē konin iss dot. - The shot rabbit is dead. - Past participle

That should be about right. If I translated correctly.

Sincerely, Waahlis 14:27, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

You got it all right except the (somewhat illogical) byform, that sentence means "The hunter wants to shoot the rabbit", though "The hunter will shoot the rabbit" could also take a byform. It can also be used in some clauses, but in most cases it can be replaced by a sentence with a slightly different word order and a bassform. Dē Graut Bʉr (talk) 14:50, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

I just figured it followed a common Germanic trait using "will" to form the future tense! (In Swedish, we'd use the same construction as above, so it was 50/50 chance). Okay, something like a optative mood in the present with a modal verb then! I am not sure if I have helped you, or if this was a test though! :P Waahlis 16:16, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

You have surely helped me, although I'm not sure about the byform. Anyway, thank you for your help! Dē Graut Bʉr (talk) 16:53, 11 May 2013 (CEST)

I am not sure on the byform. It is an uncommon construction, or maybe I am complicating things. Could I have another example? Waahlis 19:40, 16 May 2013 (CEST)

Dev-App-Wiki

I wish there was an app for a wiki like ours D:

But more importantly, You got a note on DA Emperor Zelos 07:18, 12 May 2013 (CEST)

Circumstantial Evidence

Well not evidence but circumstantial

What the fuck is the interlinear shorting of circumstantial voice? Emperor Zelos 12:05, 13 May 2013 (CEST)

I think it's okay not to follow Leipzig standards if they've forgotten something or if it is unclear. circ or cst or the like should work fine if you state what it mean. :) Waahlis 19:31, 13 May 2013 (CEST)

Contionary Help

Thank you for pointing out those corrections! (and even more for pointing to which contionary entry I should be modeling after!) Most of how I've been building up the format and lay out for my language on this site (and previous sites) has been by looking at other entries and emulating them, so I was a little lost as to what I needed for a Contionary Entry.

Question: I'm patterning my language on a mixture/slurring of several older languages, but as I've never had the chance to document the etymology before now, I didn't record it - do you think that my language will suffer because of this? I could possibly find which language the words came from, but it would take a lot of work and effort, and I'd much rather spend that energy moving forward. It's not all of my language, but the pronouns, the colors, then numbers and some other vocabulary... Would it be wrong to list the origins of those words as "lost"? Zomborgs (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2013 (CEST)

No, no, I think not. If you really can't remember the etymologies (and can't make up some new ones!), just list them as "Unknown." Happens all the time. Looks good, so keep it up! :) Waahlis 19:13, 16 May 2013 (CEST)

De Nomenclatura

I have added my opinions, as requested. Chrysophylax 04:23, 15 May 2013 (CEST)

As per etiquette, I have responded. Waahlis 19:38, 16 May 2013 (CEST)

More input requests! flooding

I have now added some touches to Élászyato meret's case and verbal system. Opinions? -- Chrysophylax 04:35, 16 May 2013 (CEST)

Input to come! Waahlis 19:14, 16 May 2013 (CEST)

Detangle

I had an idea to assist conlangers of various languages.

Alot of common words such as "must" "can" "of" etc carries alot of meaning that people have problems with seperating if they aren't aware of it. We could create like an dentanglement section where common words in english (and any language really) have their meanings dentangled so people can see all the meanings seperately Emperor Zelos 06:38, 19 May 2013 (CEST)

How about? Emperor Zelos 19:50, 21 May 2013 (CEST)

Oh right, forgot to answer!

I don't get it. Waahlis 21:50, 21 May 2013 (CEST)

Alot of common words in most languages contain alot of meanings in them, must can both refer to an inferens aswelll as a demand, can refers to both possibility and ones ability, for example, a page where you show these meanings could help conlangers Emperor Zelos 05:40, 22 May 2013 (CEST)

If I may, this sounds like a really good idea. As someone with relatively minimal knowledge of linguistics, I've relied a lot on my knowledge of other Western European Languages to see how much meaning is packed into a word and how you can mess with it which can be hard to imagine, especially if you are a Monoglot.

An example of this that might be good, is that Wiktionary gives the definition of From as;

With the source or provenance of or at. (I got a letter from my brother)
With the origin, starting point or initial reference of or at. (Face away from the wall)
With the separation, exclusion or differentiation of. (He knows right from wrong)

Which someone might not think of separating in a different language, because they're used to it all being in a single unit in what they speak. This isn't the best example but it's one of a few words that have different meanings that I associate.

Sorry for eavesdropping.

-Cheers, Fauxlosophe (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2013 (CEST)

No problems, keep on trucvking if you want! He needs to answer it aanyway :P Emperor Zelos 06:32, 23 May 2013 (CEST)

Oh, eavesdropping is just good for the community. There are no secrets here!

Eeeeehm, well, I know far more pressing concerns, and I am not sure I see the point of having such a "detanglement" centred here on the site... Whilst I do not wish to take part myself, please go ahead if you find it necessary!

I do however find it most suitable for you, Zelos, and Fauxlosophe to take initiative and realise this "detanglement"!

By the way, talk to Chrysophylax first, Waahlis 21:54, 23 May 2013 (CEST)

I concur with Waahlis. I'm not so sure this might be the optimal place to fill up with semantics studies. I remember vaguely from the CONLANG mailing list that someone was compiling a major archive about differing semantic overlap in different languages. Perhaps, instead of reinventing the wheel, one large, proper, article could be created giving a summary overview of differences in semantics between languages and linking to further sources? --

Chrysophylax 00:03, 26 May 2013 (CEST)

The conlanger theosaurus? Wihle it is a great resource it can be good having it here just for a central hub for conlanger info which is our goal anyway Emperor Zelos 03:16, 26 May 2013 (CEST)

Tout petit modification à la Bannière Fén

La bannière à le forum utilise un forme de Fén obsolete, c'est pas grande chose [l'autre serait acceptable] mais si vous pourriez faire ces petites changes, je serait très reconnaissant.

Bér Dén Ghír ba Dénobh
Bhé bhél bér cór ghír ítá Bhé fhémoc bér me ló cór ít pon éloc té bér dhén na bélim na lú dhír cór ghír ítá.

-Merci, Fauxlosophe (talk) 06:37, 23 May 2013 (CEST)

Bien sûr. C'est fait. Waahlis 22:22, 23 May 2013 (CEST)

Featured Blurb

I think this covers the basics of it;

Fén Ghír (Is there a way I could get my conscript in this?) is spoken primarily amongst the Fén people on the North-Western Fén Ír penisula as well as various islands and smaller northern settlements on the continent known as Dínír amongst the Fén, and refered to as "Borealis" in a more culturally neutral English on the Conworld of "Sphaera". It is one of four major surviving members of the Galavic family, and the only politically independant one. It is also distantly related to Toryl, So'raan and Zewani. Fén primarily relies on two scripts, the first, Highlands Fén or Célán is a system similar to runic or Ogham which evolved from a tallymark sytem, the other Lowland Writing which is a more recent innovation derived from the Toryl system that lies somewhere between an abjad and alphabet.

Fén Ghír is an a priori constructed language by the user Fauxlosophe on the Linguifex Wiki for the conworld Sphaera. It shows heavy Irish Gaelic influence in orthography and phonology, as well as in Grammar. Grammar and Syllable structure have also been heavily influenced by Japanese. English and French are also present as lesser influences.

Should be possible. Do you want me to use the script on your page? I'll add the blurb in advance. Waahlis 23:39, 31 May 2013 (CEST)

Featured language

Shouldn't it be 'featured language of Linguifex for June'? I'm thinking that May is already past us :P -- Chrysophylax 12:47, 3 June 2013 (CEST)

Of May for June! Of course, my logic must've played me joke. Waahlis 20:11, 3 June 2013 (CEST)

Aesthetics

I appreciate the sweet collapse button on the verb list, but it is one of my immediate goals to move the bigarse list from the site to a spreadsheet. :) Ye can use those fancy collapse buttons on my other tables though. :) --OlySlayer (talk) 00:14, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

Oops, sorry! I thought you wanted a collapse on it, since there was one to start with, my bad! The code for it is mw-collapsible mw-collapsed so you can remove or add it as you want! You leaving us? :( Waahlis 11:07, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

No no, you've got it wrong! I asked for on the forums to move the content box(the list of all the in-page links near the top) so it would be right beneath the title of the page, and my intro text about the language near the top of the page would be between the content box and the progress box. Then I checked to find the box on the completely opposite side of my page modified. I'm just moving the vocabulary to spreadsheets, all the other stuff will be here, and I'll also link the vocabulary to my page, probably from google docs or something. :) I'm not going anywhere, just getting more organized. --OlySlayer (talk) 15:58, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

Also, can I make the expand button move into the left most box in the table and not the right most? --OlySlayer (talk) 16:06, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

Well, I do not think it is possible to get the intro inbetween the Contents list and the Progress box. However, if you create a heading for the intro, it will automatically go beneath both the contents and the progress box. However, this is contrary to our manual of style, as we prefer to have an introduction on the top of the page (Like wikipedia). Although I suppose we could make an exception...

Are you referring to the expand button when boxes are collapsible? You want it to go on the left instead?

Waahlis 16:28, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

Alright well, dropping the thing about the contents box, yeah I was wondering if the expand but could be in the left most cell of of the table, because many times there's nothing in that cell and always is there something in the top right cell. :) --OlySlayer (talk) 18:31, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

Ah, I saw your problem - no, that'd need a site-wide code change. However, I have a solution. I shall change it, and then you tell me if you like it! :) Waahlis 18:44, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

I had to leave for a bit, but I'm back! I see what ye've done and I'll keep that in mind; I might change it a bit more. Thanks! --OlySlayer (talk) 23:17, 23 June 2013 (CEST)

Causative

Causative isn't an aspect my friend, it is a voice if anything. Emperor Zelos 07:13, 26 June 2013 (CEST)

Traditionally no, you're right. However, it acts virtually identically to the rest of the aspects in Ris, so I placed it there yet anyway! :P Waahlis 14:28, 26 June 2013 (CEST)

In my verb spreadsheet, I made a column called "staticity" (temporary title) where I list each of the verbs as either stative, dynamic, or causative. It does sound kinda like a voice though. Wow, spell check doesn't say kinda is not a word! --OlySlayer (talk) 14:42, 26 June 2013 (CEST)

I maybe wouldn't group those together...! But there are lots of languages that do things differently! Oly, you wanted some help with your vowel table? Waahlis 15:04, 26 June 2013 (CEST)

True, I can never decide if I want to keep this column or maybe just put "causative" or "stative" in the notes column on the side. I'll put a link to the verb spreadsheet when I'm finished with it so the world can enjoy. With the table of vowels I decided to combine the obnoxiously large table of rhotic vowels, but there is one vowel that I don't know wherein it fits, so it would be nice if one of ye could help me with that. :) --OlySlayer (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2013 (CEST)

Done! It was an open-mid central vowel! :) Waahlis 11:53, 27 June 2013 (CEST)

Tack så mycket! I wish I could speak Swedish. :) --OlySlayer (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2013 (CEST)

"Tack så mycket" is quite enough! ^^ It's not an overly useful language. (Other than the array of vowels, though. ) Waahlis 18:25, 27 June 2013 (CEST)

It doesn't make much sense calling it an aspect, aspect deals with TIME, not how the verb came to be. Emperor Zelos 21:12, 29 June 2013 (CEST) §

Languages rarely do make sense. :P The Ris causative conjugates according to the different moods and voices of the language; thus morphologically similar to the aspects. That said, I'm not completely done with the verbal system, and nevertheless, I wouldn't call it an aspect when I'm done. Waahlis 11:32, 30 June 2013 (CEST)

Expand

Yo, my verb conjugation table is supposed to have an expand button, but it doesn't seem to work. Is there a place where I can learn this wiki code to fix all of this schtuff? ---

Forgot to sign, Oly! ^^ Well, there are lots of places to learn wikicode; a quick search gives loads of results! However, it is difficult to filter everything to that which you actually need to learn. I recommend you to look at other pages with the code you are looking for, and then copy it to your own page.

Concerning the verb table, you correctly inserted the "mw-collapsible mw-collapsed", but it is important that you put it in the 'class="..." ' part, right after "bluetable lightbluebg". :) Look at the pages me and the other administrators have made, and try to figure out what to do from that! Or just ask, after all, that's why we're here. Sincerely, as always, Waahlis 20:20, 29 June 2013 (CEST)

Oops, I swear I signed, my viking linguist friend! Actually, I was referring to a different table than the one ye fixed, haha, but I'll do just as ye said to fix the conjugation table. Ironically, I found next to nothing searching for wikicode, except the documentation which who knows where to start. I shall take a look though at what the pros do, thanks! --OlySlayer (talk) 19:11, 30 June 2013 (CEST)

No worries, we all forget!

Oh, I am certainly no linguist! ^^ I suppose I am a viking though...! Oh, my bad - at least now you know how to fix it. :P Hmm, nor did I, really. But then I knew less than you when I began a few years ago, but I imitated, copied, asked for help and copied again. That's how I learnt, and it worked well. Others have gone programming courses... Unfair... Waahlis 10:50, 1 July 2013 (CEST)