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==Absence/Activity==
== Language infobox color ==


Hey, stuff is happening on my end so I'm not able to post much. I've noticed it's kind of quiet though, anything I could do to give it a kick that doesn't invovle a great deal of creative power on my end? Or is there quiet stuff going on that I haven't noticed?  
Hello. I seem to be unable to change the color of my conlang's [[Riagi|infobox]], is there a trick to it?


Also, I recall you mentioned something about original literature or some contest for that which I could at least try or help endorse.
== Ooops!  Misplaced Page==


-Cheers, [[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 04:51, 6 June 2013 (CEST)
Hi Chrysophylax,


:I'm a a bit busy as well until at least mid June, so I'll be a bit quiet as well. Well, you could spread the word ;)
Apologies, I goofed when I was making an IPA template for the vowels in Nankôre. Now when I go to the Templates page I see "Nankôre" but I don't see the name for the template, which is "Nankore_Vowels_IPA". Could you please help me and remove "Nankôre" from the Templates page and replace it with "Nankore_Vowels_IPA"? I know I successfully created the template, because it appears on my conlang's page when I call the template.
:I will look into the library idea later! --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 00:40, 8 June 2013 (CEST)


We do have literature category for conlangs :) Feel free to add things to it, preferably things that gives a challenge in translation or things you plan on translating yourself. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 10:54, 8 June 2013 (CEST)
Thanks!!


Yeah, I've already taken advantage of that. I think you, myself and GreatBuddha [who is primarily on wikia due to simpler table interface and more activity] are the only ones using it and I'm the only one with original works in written in my language [though you and GB may have translated it yourselves]. I'd like to see a competition or some sort of stronger incentive for short stories/poems in order to draw people out and encourage them to try and use their languages to their fullest extent and share it with the rest of us, because in the words of Tolkien;  "Volapük, Esperanto, Ido, Novial, &c, &c, are dead, far deader than ancient unused languages, because their authors never invented any Esperanto legends".
~~Anyar~~


Even if it would only lead to small things like short stories, myths and rhymes that are only a few paragraphs long, it will help people get a fuller feel for the language and would make it easier for us to pick featured langs in the future.
== Subcategory for Czecklish ==


-Cheers, [[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 03:37, 11 June 2013 (CEST)
Can you make a subcategory for my conlang Czecklish? I have three separate articles for it, and it's getting hard to manage them. There will likely be three or four more articles concerning Czecklish in the future. I believe it would be more convenient for Linguifex visitors and users to view Czecklish and its various articles if it had a subcategory, like Khaz or Valian.


== Tagchen ==
Can you delete my [[Netagin]] page and all its associated pages? Many thanks, [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 21:50, 29 October 2014 (CET)


== #projectlibrary ==
::- Sure! If you don't mind me asking, any particular reason why? --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 22:02, 29 October 2014 (CET)


Whist I approve of this project of yours, I disapprove of the intermixing of constructed language literature and the natural language texts. Texts in the previously pseudo-namespace "Translation", such as "The Tower of Babel" are in my opinion not to be categorised under the literature banner; they serve a different purpose, since they exist to promote the conlangers' translations of the same texts, for comparison.
:::I decided to discontinue Netagin... it struck me as too much an ad-hoc hodgepodge. Though features from it will be absorbed into my other languages. In passing, what do you think about partaking in Linguifex Relay the Fourth (prematurely)? [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 01:17, 30 October 2014 (CET)


People are more inclined to translate non-conlang literature, and many of the texts have become an institution to translate, say "Babel" and "The Lord's Prayer". There is a big chance that the literature category texts will live up to their name and simple be stored in the library for interested people to read. I therefore object to the intermixture of the two namespaces.
::::Ah, I know that feeling. I would be okay with that! --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 01:42, 30 October 2014 (CET)


Sincerely, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  07:54, 12 June 2013 (CEST)
== How does one even ==
... make an a priori conlang they feel confident about? <span style="background:#006400">[[User:Ceige|<span style="color:#FFFFFF">'''CEIGE'''</span>]][[User talk:Ceige|<span style="color:#FFFFFF">⟨TAWK⟩</span>]]</span> 14:01, 7 December 2014 (CET)


Waahlis is right, red riding hood and such should be under translation or possible something else, literature is for conlang literature. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 09:58, 12 June 2013 (CEST)
== <strike>Ixnay'ed on the Acebookfay Accountway? </strike> ==
<strike>It's coming up as a removed account for spam/abuse - you've got my email (somewhere maybe...? :P ) so feel free to email me mate <span style="background:#006400">[[User:Ceige|<span style="color:#FFFFFF">'''CEIGE'''</span>]][[User talk:Ceige|<span style="color:#FFFFFF">⟨TAWK⟩</span>]]</span> 13:12, 10 March 2015 (CET)</strike>


==Concerning the Fourth Linguifex Relay==


:I understand your concerns, yet I am not so sure creating another namespace is the way to go. I do not think creating 'translation only' and a 'conlang-only texts' would be beneficial, as it would split up text content (intended for translation) unnecessarily with prefixes when a simple category such as [[:Category:Translation exercises]] would do. I, following on what I perceive to be Fauxlosophe's intent, feel that both texts from natlangs and conlangs should be encouraged to be translated. Thus, separating it into a whole new namespace feels a bit overkill. I mean, it's literature. To assuage fears of conlangers not translating texts, I have started writing a few templates to "single out" the ''standard'' texts for translation.  
Since Dē Graut Bʉr hasn't shown any signs of activity, I'm passing the relay to you.


:I have also modified a few templates to allow one to add one's language from the get-go as seen on [[Literature:Ishtar spoke to her father|Ishtar spoke to her father]]. It's not perfect as it currently just preloads the whole page but in a subpage, but it should help encourage people to translate texts. I also intend on adding a large section to [[Literature:Portal]] regarding translations, clarifying, and encouraging users to translate.
===Fo hoinga fatipu===


:Currently, I've styled my translation-encouragement-pages on The Lord's Prayer example, not on the Little Red Riding Hood. I would like it if you gave some input on http://linguifex.com/index.php?title=Special:WikiForum&thread=30.
''Rótrest léhkodé [[Fourth_Linguifex_Relay/Sceptrian|khugu]], lateeprlest roi bapu!'' (You should go there quickly and dance above the words!)


:Do the honourable lord administrators still object? --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 04:43, 14 June 2013 (CEST)
[[User:Juhhmi|Juhhmi]] ([[User talk:Juhhmi|talk]]) 21:57, 12 July 2015 (CEST)


===Wååhlis===
It seems Waahlis has not completed his whisper in time. Will you pass the relay to the next person? [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 15:59, 16 July 2015 (CEST)


I still do, yes. However, I cannot be bothered to revert all you changes now. Please see my reply on the matter of individual translated subpages. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  13:54, 14 June 2013 (CEST)
One å is enough. I got sick while translating the relay. But please, do pass it on. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  16:17, 16 July 2015 (CEST)


:I like the feel of the library and can see some definite strengths, but my intent was to find ways to encourage others to write original literature. I have to admit, I do really like the idea of breaking things down into glosses and translating what can be translated between conlangs; it creates a sense of shared community between our conlangs, however it wasn't my intent.
:Done --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 16:23, 16 July 2015 (CEST)


:I hoped to encourage con-texts with competitions, discussions in the forum and maybe some sort of mini-featuring on the main page like the audio for Kihammic. Most conlangs I've seen with poems/texts look like the lang was built around the poem and offer little actual info on the lang, while many very detailed languages here have little to no original text. I take a lot of my conlanging philosophy off of Tolkien and I think a conlang without a history and stories feels a little empty to me, so I'd love to see the wiki take steps in this direction. The "library" category elevates original work to an equal level is good for that [better than seeing it crammed in the back recesses anyway] which is what I thought your intent was. I'm a bit impartial towards a redivision but I really want to encourage a bit more exposure towards the original texts that were written, because compared to "translations", the "literature" category was a bit less visible and much less filled.
== Can you do me a favor? ==


:So a challenge or competition there would be welcome [I'd try to come back and compose something new for it] since it would get people thinking/working outside of the linguist box and into the pretty words box. I'll sketch out something more detailed on the forums. I sort of like the Library tab but I do understand Waahlis' objections and I am content either way, though some nudges encourage people to translate eachother's works [once we have a few featured on here] might be worth a go.
Could you delete every subpage and their talks listed here: [[User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd]]? You can leave a redirect from [[User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd]] to my current username. I've moved beyond that ugly name. [[User:IlL|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL|talk]]) 04:14, 13 July 2015 (CEST)


-Cheers, [[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 05:52, 2 July 2013 (CEST)
:Done --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 15:13, 13 July 2015 (CEST)


==Thank you==
== How do I tag? ==
I want to get my conlang, [[Latirdo]], on the list of languages, but I can't add the category to the article. What do I do?
Thanks.


Hey Chrys, thank you very much for having voted me :) I've appreciated your vote and your opinion :) Now I'm studying hard (did I say to you I've done a Swedish exam? Now I'm waiting for results!!!), but I'm thinking to improve and change a little my Aarlaansk ;) You'll see :)  [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|<span style="color: Green;">Llyn</span>]]'''   14:53, 17 June 2013 (CET)
--[[User:Sihithe Avralte|Sihithe Avralte]] ([[User talk:Sihithe Avralte|talk]]) 17:49, 22 March 2016 (CET)
:You add the category by writing <nowiki>[[Category:blahblah]]</nowiki> anywhere in the document. I usually recommend at the end. I have added the relevant tags to your article for you for now. If you have any other questions, I'lll gladly answer them. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 20:01, 22 March 2016 (CET)


== Re: Cerebro ==
== Dėkujå ==
Just wanted to say thank you for fixing the page. Didn't know, where to do it though, so I'm just leaving it here. (Raistas)


''Ave, senātor.''
== Delete ==


I have started, an almost finished, a new Main page. The old one broke when zoomed, was already too large for the window in certain browsers, and did not work at all on mobile devices.
If I make a mistake and create a page that is clearly stupid, how do I tag it for deletion?  I don't have the power and it doesn't seem right to bug specific people to delete a specific page. Is there something <nowiki>[[:Category:Delete me]]</nowiki>? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] ([[User talk:Aquatiki|talk]]) 03:39, 1 December 2018 (CET)


[[User:Waahlis/Cerebro|I would like your opinion]].
::You should tag it with <nowiki>{{speedy|reason}}</nowiki>. Check [[Template:Speedy]] out. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 11:07, 2 December 2018 (CET)


Sincerely, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  13:09, 30 June 2013 (CEST)
== Infobox language ==


So, I recently noticed that I'm prevented from editing templates that're transcluded on the main page, specifically [[Template:Infobox language]] and its subpages, and I was wondering either 1. if there's a way to work around this, 2. if you could turn-off cascading for the main page, or 3. if I could be given permission to edit these pages? If you just don't want non-admins editing these pages, that's completely fine too, but please let me know. -[[User:Учхљёная]] <sup>([[User_talk:Учхљёная|talk]],[[:Category:Conlangs by Elliott Wheeler|conlangs]],[[Special:Contributions/Учхљёная|edits]])</sup>. 18:20, 19 January 2019 (CET).
:: Hi, that sounds perfectly reasonable. I will investigate this weekend if there's something we can do technically to allow safe users to edit high-frequency templates --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 14:35, 22 January 2019 (CET)
:: I've disabled cascading protection for now. Hopefully it won't bite the wiki in its bum. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 00:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


I am cranky that I have to redo my translations but the new version is definitely better about the zooming/size issues.
== Deletion of Template:LangAbb ==


-Cheers, [[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 05:38, 2 July 2013 (CEST)
<del>[[Template:LangAbb]] was deleted, breaking functionality of [[Template:Etym]], which is used in various Contionary entries. I do not ask it be reinstated, but I would like to have access to its history so that I can view its interface and update Etym to use [[Template:ISO]].</del> Nevermind, I figured it out, the template is back in working order


--[[User:MIGUELbM|MIGUELbM]] ([[User talk:MIGUELbM|talk]]) 09:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)


Oh, don't worry, I can't recall I changed much of the text! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  11:44, 2 July 2013 (CEST)
== Deletion of an image and changing of a page title ==


Hello,


:''Salve, o augustissime artifex!''
</del>I'm quite new here in Linguifex and I did a (or two) mistake(s).
:I must say, it looks very, very, cool. The only thing I would seek to comment is the "header" or "banner". It seems a tad lifeless/colourless compared to the previous page. I also miss the distinctiveness of the "Languages"-tab which is now just a common button. I think it looked a little better being a tad more prominent before. Easy to find for the user. But yes, I agree with Faux, no longer will I get weird overlays when zooming! --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 23:24, 5 July 2013 (CEST)
1. At updating a image which shows ,,Zimâna Ħāwārî (translates to ,,Hawari language")" in my newly invented Ṭoňżeĝâyî script, it always shows the former version of the image where I set the direction so: top to bottom, right to left, even if it should be left to right. To fix that issue, I would like to let it be deleted, and I don't know how one does it.
2. This mistake is less important to fix: Instead of giving my article title the name ,,Hawari language" I just wrote ,,Hawari". If possible, would you be able to change it?</del>


Thank you and have a good day👋🏼


I know, I'll take a look at the banner yet again. And I too miss the big, big link to all languages, but some sacrifices had to be made. On the other hand, the buttons do make the other links a bit more prominent; less ''i skymundan''. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  11:36, 11 July 2013 (CEST)
Update (01.05.2020, 17:29 UTC): Thank you for fixing these two issues.😀


I've made a smaller change, changing it's colour, and I tried to alter the location of the welcome text as much as possible. Shall I implement it? Any other parts in need of improvement? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  11:52, 11 July 2013 (CEST)
Yours sincerely, [[User:MansenBk|MansenBk]] ([[User talk:MansenBk|talk]]) 16:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC).


==Relays==
== Lost Conlangs ==


Hey,
Hi. A while ago a user on Frathwiki started a project to try and rescue info about conlangs that had been stored on Langmaker in the 2000s, gone down with it but was retrievable via the Web Archive copies of Langmaker. They got so far then drifted off. I'm volunteering to start it again, and I also want to make my own (privately run but publicly accessible) list of the world's conlangs (probably in spreadsheet and searchable database form). I want to combine the jobs to reduce work time; I also think it would be good to have the same info in different places (as what was so unfortunate about Langmaker going down was so much of its info was not stored elsewhere). So I was wondering, would you be interested in allowing similar records of such langs here? I'm guessing not on account of your "non-sufficient content/long inactivity" deletion rule plus high style standards etc. However even if not how about a single page (/multiple if running over) with a name and barest details? I'd be prepared to do all the work, although help would certainly be appreciated. :)
[[User:Matthew McVeagh|Matthew McVeagh]] ([[User talk:Matthew McVeagh|talk]]) 04:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
:: If you keep it on one page that'd be fine [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 07:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


I noticed two relays kicking around. What's happening with those?
== Safety on the Website ==


-Cheers, [[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 02:52, 4 July 2013 (CEST)
Dear Chrysophylax,
I have a quite important question about the website itself. Well, whenever I (it is also not only me) open the site from Discord, I get a warning saying that this website may steal personal or financial information and thus should be closed. Do you know why the warning appears?


Yours sincerely,
MansenBk [[User:MansenBk|MansenBk]] ([[User talk:MansenBk|talk]]) 15:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


:What do you mean; relays? :S The wiki isn't officially participating or documenting the relays, but I suppose Chrys could've done a few! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''   20:29, 5 July 2013 (CEST)
::Nope, no idea. We use TLS 1.3 and don't take any personal and financial data beyond your email and username when you register. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 00:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


:I am sorry if the relays caused confusion, I simply meant to add them (the source) as translatable texts. They are often quite interesting and one has the chance to compare with other conlangs if one is into such things. We are not participating in any relays as Waahlis pointed out, that is for each individual and his conlang to decide. :P [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 23:10, 5 July 2013 (CEST)
== New featured language ==


::I was just curious and I'd highly recommend promoting and doing stuff like that. It's competitions and stuff like this that helps bring a web-community together [which is the main point of putting it up on a wiki if you ask me], so I got sort of excited seeing it kicking around. If you want to throw one together for the wiki, you can definitely count me as interested.
Wow, I'm quite honored to see that [[Avendonian]] [[Special:Diff/231620|has become]] a featured language. Many thanks! Cheers, [[User:Sware|'''swar'''<span style="border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px;background:#fc3;color:#03192d">'''e'''</span>]] • [[User talk:Sware#top|🗣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sware|🏲]] 16:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


::Cheers, [[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 01:50, 11 July 2013 (CEST)
== Tahano Hikamu font ==


:Sounds like a interesting idea. Since it's the summer, we've got a bit fewer users around, but if we manage to recruit some more people, I would gladly partake. I fear I don't know how it works, but Chrys can probably help out with that. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  12:42, 24 July 2013 (CEST)
Hi! I've been tinkering around lately with [[:Category:Ayeri lemmas|Ayeri entries]]. As you probably know, Ayeri is written in this quite-Brahmic script called ''Tahano Hikamu''. The creator of Ayeri, Carsten Becker, created a font for it and [https://github.com/carbeck/tagatibookg released it]. I've been wondering if it'd be possible for you or any administrator to add this font to Linguifex so I can use it. Since it's based on SIL Graphite engine, the font declaration must use the .ttf file, not .woff. Thanks! Cheers, [[User:Sware|'''swar'''<span style="border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px;background:#fc3;color:#03192d">'''e'''</span>]] • [[User talk:Sware#top|🗣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sware|🏲]] 15:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


:Ceertainly would be interesting, I am in if it occures :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 13:43, 25 July 2013 (CEST)
: '''Edit:''' Wording and further details. 11:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
: '''Edit 2:''' I'll also need a script definition in Linguifex's common.css for <code>.Ayer</code>, much like [[wikt:MediaWiki:Common.css|Wiktionary's]]. Thanks! 17:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


== Change of Username ==


Dear Chrysophylax,


I would like to change my username from Aydbayk into Aydın Baykara. Would you arrange it please?


{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
Yours sincerely,
! Diapathair Inkannar</noinclude>
|- style="vertical-align: top;"
|<poem>Diaupathair,
inkannar nadhran,
sódhiannar nabhór,
máldhethór naúadhí,
Dhairi pendhair temanna,
Nai úireir lúdhann,
Galandh dhé!
Dai belann kadhí!
Lúdhi dhaighann!
Karadh úennadh,
Diau bhaidhadh!
Bhúdhi!
Blónnar bhlígannar dhúánnád,
Úánnadir úerair haimannar
Heri ússinair!
Iúgh iarann!
Tódh úedhamas!
</poem>
|-
|}
:Fellow members! I have composed a small text in broken pseudo-PIE that I have used as the basis for an archaic Aurónian song/prayer which I've posted above. It is supposed to have been sung during the beginning of the ''Ákhaimannar'', a winter celebration of sorts, and at the end of it in the darkest of nights.
:Would this be interesting for a translation relay? If so I could set something up --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 13:41, 6 August 2013 (CEST)


Waahlis approves! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  20:26, 6 August 2013 (CEST)
~~Aydın Baykara~~


Faux Approves! -[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 01:17, 20 August 2013 (CEST)
Aydın Baykara [[User:Aydbayk]] ([[User talk:Aydbayk|talk]]) 30 April 2023


== Making citations show up ==


Whatcha say about starting this in a week, September 1st? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  23:44, 24 August 2013 (CEST)
Hello Chrysophylax, <br>
I've made a few edits to the aUI page, but after hours of trying cannot make all the citations show up in the Reference list (also, there's no "Cite" menu item like in the main Wikipedia). I've compared them with the apparently original ones in Wikipedia and they seem exactly the same to me. As you can see, I'm getting these error messages:  


I am for starting it last week but the 1st will do.--[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 04:29, 1 September 2013 (CEST)
Cite error: <ref> tag with name "Weilgart-LOS" defined in <references> has group attribute "" which does not appear in prior text.  
and
Cite error: <ref> tag defined in <references> has no name attribute.


== Subpages ==
Could you please explain what I'm missing and/or fix it?


Tschau! Would it be possible for you to fix so that subpages (Those with a slash, /) have a link back to the main article, like userpages? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  16:33, 18 August 2013 (CEST)
Thanks so much!<br>
:Yup, just figured out how to do it. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 16:35, 18 August 2013 (CEST)--[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 16:35, 18 August 2013 (CEST)
:Should be running now! --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 16:38, 18 August 2013 (CEST)--[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 16:38, 18 August 2013 (CEST)
:My only objection to using the slash notation is that using <nowiki>{{Main|Elasian/Morphology}}</nowiki> looks like crap :P but everyone's using it so I guess I'll comply. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 16:40, 18 August 2013 (CEST)


Andrea Weilgart Patten[[User:Andiweil|Andiweil]] ([[User talk:Andiweil|talk]]) 16:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


Well, it grants some opportunities - making a backlink wouldn't be possible otherwise. :p [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  16:42, 18 August 2013 (CEST)
      <br> PS I got a work around to finally do the trick per @sware, thanks...if you want to check it[[User:Andiweil|Andiweil]] ([[User talk:Andiweil|talk]]) 03:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 
Is there a way we could hide it in the title, maybe? Since Backlinks make a lot of sense in an address bar but can look jarring as a title to a page.-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 16:00, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
 
==A few favours==
 
Hey,
 
I just touched up [[Cwengâr]]'s page significantly, so it no longer reads like "Just like Fén except for these changes". My main goal with these pages is to make the language accessible and useable to someone willing to leaf through the page momentarily while they look up words. To that end could you do me a few favours in that regard; the first being to simply skim the page and offer advice where you can on improving it and the other being; would you be willing to try writing a sample of whatever you like based off the page and tell me any difficulties you encountered? I don't like imposing my lang on others but I could use perspective on what needs to be made clearer. Lastly, do you know the history of the Irish Broad/Slender development? Is it just a very consistant sound change rule of these letters infront of Soft and Hard vowels? I've peaked around a few times to try and figure out the story but the best guess I have is that it's the hard/soft C and G rule applied most of the letters in the language. If you know any more than that I'd really appreciate it,
 
Thanks
-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 00:33, 20 August 2013 (CEST)
 
:From what I can remember from reading about the Goidelic languages, the development of full on palatalisation contrast happened somewhere between Primitive Irish and Early Old Irish and has to do with well consonants acquiring a palatal secondary articulation near front vowels. It's a very similar process to what happened in many Romance languages (<c> = [t͡ʃ ~ ʃ ~ s ~ θ ~ k ~ kʲ] as you rightly mentioned but more pervasive, think Russian (which has slender vs broad in most consonants – they only term it soft vs hard) and other Slavic languages! I will take a proper look at Cwengâr now and comment on its talk page when done. But yeah, if you wanted to simulate a similar development in Cwengâr then reading up historic sound changes near front vowels could be a good tip. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 17:54, 20 August 2013 (CEST)
 
:I found you this. http://media.leidenuniv.nl/legacy/bayse-caitlin-ba-thesis.pdf Pretty interesting. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 04:29, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
 
Thanks a lot on both counts! I'm delaying with the wikification but I'll get onto it in due time. If I can ever help you out with stuff or serve as a guinea pig, just give the word.
 
Slan,
 
--[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 04:48, 23 August 2013 (CEST)
 
==Välyatalle==
 
The wikilink on your userpage is broken. Also, I must admit that I had always assumed Estonian was the Cousin that the Finnish kept in the closet and only fed after dark. My Lithuanian friend seems more than happy to confirm this theory, but he is happy to confirm horrible things about every Eastern European Country, including horrible things that contradict eachother.
 
I'll give it another peak soon enough if it has your endorsement.
 
-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 04:28, 1 September 2013 (CEST)
 
:It's true, Estonian is the cousin that's all hidden away, if only for the simple reason that Finnish is jealous of the melodious wondrous sounds that are a common occurrence in Estonian. :P --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 05:12, 1 September 2013 (CEST)
 
== Colours ==
 
I think I ought to change the colours of those portals. And by "ought to" I mean that I will definitely change the colours. And by "definitely" I mean that I really must change the colours.[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  10:50, 1 September 2013 (CEST)
 
Go ahead! --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 12:42, 1 September 2013 (CEST)
 
== De Arena ==
 
Announcing [[Special:WikiForum|the Arena]]!
 
''Ave atque vale.'' [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  11:09, 1 September 2013 (CEST)
 
== Gloss ==
 
I see no translation or means of deriving "täsarma". I have guesses but solely on the basis of context in the poem.
 
I'm extremely sorry, it seems I accidentally deleted the entry when I did some editing. Of course, I did not see it missing when I looked through. I've updated the Valian page. The translation in question is {{c|täsaan}}. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 08:28, 4 September 2013 (CEST)
 
I guessed it correctly then. I'd love you to give comment on my retranslation and gloss though. I feel like I had to change a fair bit here and there since some Cwengâr words lacked the same double meanings but I think I got the general feel while aspiring to at least get some sort of metre/pattern. I know I butchered it but I want to know how much.-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 19:47, 4 September 2013 (CEST)
 
:Only mildly! A lot of the meaning comes from the double meanings that the words have, peadid referring to both the concrete and the metaphorical ('cause Cwetŷl's coming) and there's a general saudade-ish feel permeating the whole, especially considering the line ''västamma aura'' which refers both to the annual aspect and well, life in general. But, I guess it could not be helped, translation always loses a bit of nuance ;) ---[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 20:04, 4 September 2013 (CEST)
 
... But gains another! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  20:31, 4 September 2013 (CEST)
 
:I saw a lot of the double meanings and said to myself I could probably force it with some neologism or adding new meaning but it felt like cheating. I think I got as much as I could without that and as Waahlis said, gave it some significance in its own mythology and world. Even if no one else understands it; O! Fortūna crūdēlis fabrōrum linguārum!-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 18:50, 5 September 2013 (CEST)
 
== WTH!? ==
 
''Laheksed saa Vihtor kui ruuseemme''!?
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  23:24, 7 September 2013 (CEST)
 
== First Linguifex Relay ==
 
 
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Since EmperorZelos has forfeited, [[First Linguifex Relay/Themsaran|now you're up]] for the final round. May you be blessed in your return, sacred cantor. [[User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd|Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd]] ([[User talk:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd|talk]]) 03:14, 10 September 2013 (CEST)
 
 
Chrysophylaz is working on it, but since he's the relay starter and the one who finishes, he hasn't got the same time constraint. :p [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  08:35, 10 September 2013 (CEST)
 
== General Points ==
 
Hey!
 
I threw up a few threads which might be fun to check out! At least the Arena doesn't feel so empty any more. I've decided to leave the Rap battle thread to you but I invite you to consider including [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXgtZbrcxBQ this] and generally challenging anyone to top you before spitting out a verse or two of Valian to intimidate the challengers.
 
Also! How did you do the Font thing? I have a couple modes for writing Fén that I'd love to get up on the site.
 
Cheers,
 
-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2013 (CEST)
 
Hey! Sorry for the late answer but I've been on vacation (as you may or may not have noticed) :P 'twas a hilarious video. One of my favourite HH clip is the one with the Greek philosophers singing. The Font thing I managed to achieve by uploading the font to the web and then writing in my own mode :p I see that you managed to figure it out! The Valian mode is still being worked over though, the current version on the site can be considered a crude 'seventh draft' based on rare tengwa-usage and “local” (''Valian'') innovation. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 15:29, 10 October 2013 (CEST)
 
== My Apologies/Mine Unnskyldninger/Misaç Deçkolãsaç ==
 
Jeg har ikke været her for en lang tid siden og jeg her glemte mange af de regler for at skabe nye sider.  Jeg vil gerne sige undskyld for mine fejler med at skabe min sektion for Fejãto i Contionary.  (Fordi du havde at korrigere dem)
 
Også den anden oversættelse af «My apologies» er Alska, ikke dårlig dansk :P
 
Også også hvor finder du min dansk?  Jeg ved du er svensker (ikke?), men kan du forstå ved jeg skriver?
 
[[User:Darthme|Darthme]] ([[User talk:Darthme|talk]]) 18:47, 29 October 2013 (CET)
 
:Inga bekymmer! Jag förstår allt du skriver! Till och med Alskan ;) Det finns inget att be om ursäkt för :P Alla gör vi småfel då och då. Det är därför vi finns som community :) to help each other! Also, jupp, jag är svensk. --[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 20:08, 29 October 2013 (CET)
 
 
Din danska har förbättrats otroligt mycket, Darthme! Har du läst på mer sedan senast? :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|<span style="color: Orange;">Waahlis</span>]]'''  20:50, 29 October 2013 (CET)

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Language infobox color

Hello. I seem to be unable to change the color of my conlang's infobox, is there a trick to it?

Ooops! Misplaced Page

Hi Chrysophylax,

Apologies, I goofed when I was making an IPA template for the vowels in Nankôre. Now when I go to the Templates page I see "Nankôre" but I don't see the name for the template, which is "Nankore_Vowels_IPA". Could you please help me and remove "Nankôre" from the Templates page and replace it with "Nankore_Vowels_IPA"? I know I successfully created the template, because it appears on my conlang's page when I call the template.

Thanks!!

~~Anyar~~

Subcategory for Czecklish

Can you make a subcategory for my conlang Czecklish? I have three separate articles for it, and it's getting hard to manage them. There will likely be three or four more articles concerning Czecklish in the future. I believe it would be more convenient for Linguifex visitors and users to view Czecklish and its various articles if it had a subcategory, like Khaz or Valian.

Tagchen

Can you delete my Netagin page and all its associated pages? Many thanks, IlL (talk) 21:50, 29 October 2014 (CET)

- Sure! If you don't mind me asking, any particular reason why? --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 22:02, 29 October 2014 (CET)
I decided to discontinue Netagin... it struck me as too much an ad-hoc hodgepodge. Though features from it will be absorbed into my other languages. In passing, what do you think about partaking in Linguifex Relay the Fourth (prematurely)? IlL (talk) 01:17, 30 October 2014 (CET)
Ah, I know that feeling. I would be okay with that! --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 01:42, 30 October 2014 (CET)

How does one even

... make an a priori conlang they feel confident about? CEIGE⟨TAWK⟩ 14:01, 7 December 2014 (CET)

Ixnay'ed on the Acebookfay Accountway?

It's coming up as a removed account for spam/abuse - you've got my email (somewhere maybe...? :P ) so feel free to email me mate CEIGE⟨TAWK⟩ 13:12, 10 March 2015 (CET)

Concerning the Fourth Linguifex Relay

Since Dē Graut Bʉr hasn't shown any signs of activity, I'm passing the relay to you.

Fo hoinga fatipu

Rótrest léhkodé khugu, lateeprlest roi bapu! (You should go there quickly and dance above the words!)

Juhhmi (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2015 (CEST)

Wååhlis

It seems Waahlis has not completed his whisper in time. Will you pass the relay to the next person? IlL (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2015 (CEST)

One å is enough. I got sick while translating the relay. But please, do pass it on. Waahlis.png Waahlis 16:17, 16 July 2015 (CEST)

Done --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 16:23, 16 July 2015 (CEST)

Can you do me a favor?

Could you delete every subpage and their talks listed here: User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd? You can leave a redirect from User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd to my current username. I've moved beyond that ugly name. IlL (talk) 04:14, 13 July 2015 (CEST)

Done --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 15:13, 13 July 2015 (CEST)

How do I tag?

I want to get my conlang, Latirdo, on the list of languages, but I can't add the category to the article. What do I do? Thanks.

--Sihithe Avralte (talk) 17:49, 22 March 2016 (CET)

You add the category by writing [[Category:blahblah]] anywhere in the document. I usually recommend at the end. I have added the relevant tags to your article for you for now. If you have any other questions, I'lll gladly answer them. --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 20:01, 22 March 2016 (CET)

Dėkujå

Just wanted to say thank you for fixing the page. Didn't know, where to do it though, so I'm just leaving it here. (Raistas)

Delete

If I make a mistake and create a page that is clearly stupid, how do I tag it for deletion? I don't have the power and it doesn't seem right to bug specific people to delete a specific page. Is there something [[:Category:Delete me]]? --Aquatiki (talk) 03:39, 1 December 2018 (CET)

You should tag it with {{speedy|reason}}. Check Template:Speedy out. Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 11:07, 2 December 2018 (CET)

Infobox language

So, I recently noticed that I'm prevented from editing templates that're transcluded on the main page, specifically Template:Infobox language and its subpages, and I was wondering either 1. if there's a way to work around this, 2. if you could turn-off cascading for the main page, or 3. if I could be given permission to edit these pages? If you just don't want non-admins editing these pages, that's completely fine too, but please let me know. -User:Учхљёная (talk,conlangs,edits). 18:20, 19 January 2019 (CET).

Hi, that sounds perfectly reasonable. I will investigate this weekend if there's something we can do technically to allow safe users to edit high-frequency templates --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 14:35, 22 January 2019 (CET)
I've disabled cascading protection for now. Hopefully it won't bite the wiki in its bum. --Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 00:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Template:LangAbb

Template:LangAbb was deleted, breaking functionality of Template:Etym, which is used in various Contionary entries. I do not ask it be reinstated, but I would like to have access to its history so that I can view its interface and update Etym to use Template:ISO. Nevermind, I figured it out, the template is back in working order

--MIGUELbM (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of an image and changing of a page title

Hello,

I'm quite new here in Linguifex and I did a (or two) mistake(s). 1. At updating a image which shows ,,Zimâna Ħāwārî (translates to ,,Hawari language")" in my newly invented Ṭoňżeĝâyî script, it always shows the former version of the image where I set the direction so: top to bottom, right to left, even if it should be left to right. To fix that issue, I would like to let it be deleted, and I don't know how one does it. 2. This mistake is less important to fix: Instead of giving my article title the name ,,Hawari language" I just wrote ,,Hawari". If possible, would you be able to change it?

Thank you and have a good day👋🏼

Update (01.05.2020, 17:29 UTC): Thank you for fixing these two issues.😀

Yours sincerely, MansenBk (talk) 16:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC).

Lost Conlangs

Hi. A while ago a user on Frathwiki started a project to try and rescue info about conlangs that had been stored on Langmaker in the 2000s, gone down with it but was retrievable via the Web Archive copies of Langmaker. They got so far then drifted off. I'm volunteering to start it again, and I also want to make my own (privately run but publicly accessible) list of the world's conlangs (probably in spreadsheet and searchable database form). I want to combine the jobs to reduce work time; I also think it would be good to have the same info in different places (as what was so unfortunate about Langmaker going down was so much of its info was not stored elsewhere). So I was wondering, would you be interested in allowing similar records of such langs here? I'm guessing not on account of your "non-sufficient content/long inactivity" deletion rule plus high style standards etc. However even if not how about a single page (/multiple if running over) with a name and barest details? I'd be prepared to do all the work, although help would certainly be appreciated. :) Matthew McVeagh (talk) 04:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

If you keep it on one page that'd be fine Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 07:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Safety on the Website

Dear Chrysophylax, I have a quite important question about the website itself. Well, whenever I (it is also not only me) open the site from Discord, I get a warning saying that this website may steal personal or financial information and thus should be closed. Do you know why the warning appears?

Yours sincerely, MansenBk MansenBk (talk) 15:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Nope, no idea. We use TLS 1.3 and don't take any personal and financial data beyond your email and username when you register. Admin.png Χρυσοφύλαξ 00:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

New featured language

Wow, I'm quite honored to see that Avendonian has become a featured language. Many thanks! Cheers, sware • 🗣 • 🏲 16:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Tahano Hikamu font

Hi! I've been tinkering around lately with Ayeri entries. As you probably know, Ayeri is written in this quite-Brahmic script called Tahano Hikamu. The creator of Ayeri, Carsten Becker, created a font for it and released it. I've been wondering if it'd be possible for you or any administrator to add this font to Linguifex so I can use it. Since it's based on SIL Graphite engine, the font declaration must use the .ttf file, not .woff. Thanks! Cheers, sware • 🗣 • 🏲 15:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Edit: Wording and further details. 11:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Edit 2: I'll also need a script definition in Linguifex's common.css for .Ayer, much like Wiktionary's. Thanks! 17:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Change of Username

Dear Chrysophylax,

I would like to change my username from Aydbayk into Aydın Baykara. Would you arrange it please?

Yours sincerely,

~~Aydın Baykara~~

Aydın Baykara User:Aydbayk (talk) 30 April 2023

Making citations show up

Hello Chrysophylax,
I've made a few edits to the aUI page, but after hours of trying cannot make all the citations show up in the Reference list (also, there's no "Cite" menu item like in the main Wikipedia). I've compared them with the apparently original ones in Wikipedia and they seem exactly the same to me. As you can see, I'm getting these error messages:

Cite error: <ref> tag with name "Weilgart-LOS" defined in <references> has group attribute "" which does not appear in prior text. and Cite error: <ref> tag defined in <references> has no name attribute.

Could you please explain what I'm missing and/or fix it?

Thanks so much!

Andrea Weilgart PattenAndiweil (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC) 

     
 PS I got a work around to finally do the trick per @sware, thanks...if you want to check itAndiweil (talk) 03:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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